Here is a good question...

We all know the real lefties like to smoke their weed... think they can make it legal despite a federal law making it illegal. This was shot down as a referendum vote in CA.

Yet the very same people get their bowels in an uproar when Arizona tries to actually pass a law that SUPPORTS existing Federal law...

Do they think states should stop prosecuting Murders because there is an existing Federal law already?

Do they think states should stop prosecuting and enforcing ANY law where there exists a federal law on the subject already?

Why to they also think a state law allowing them to get stoned should trump and ignore existing federal law outlawing it?

Thinking people see this as obvious hypocrisy... so how can they possibly justify their clear inconsistency?

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Why to they also think a state law allowing them to get stoned should trump and ignore existing federal law outlawing it?

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Hello smoothy:

Because we believe in states rights, which I thought WAS a right wing position... No, huh?

excon

I'll just put this right here:

It's that old "we want it both ways" thing ex likes to talk about. I'm sure that while they were arguing for California's right to legalize pot they were defending the feds' right to force us to buy health insurance.

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I'm sure that while they were arguing for California's right to legalize pot they were defending the feds' right to force us to buy health insurance.

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Hello Steve:

I don't know. When it comes to discussions about drugs, YOU'RE the one who seems high... If you recall (and it was only a couple days ago), I agreed with you about the nanny state. I told you that I didn't support ANY interference with my personal buying decisions... I told you further, that you really don't have any right to complain about the feds interfering with a buying decision YOU like, because you SUPPORT the feds ban on buying stuff you don't like...

Never did I say that I defend the feds right to do that... NEVER.

Like I said during our LAST discussion about pot, it's OK if you throw another lie onto the steaming pile of horse crap you've been peddling for the last 50 years. But, you should know, it ain't working anymore..

excon

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Hello smoothy:

Because we believe in states rights, which I thought WAS a right wing position... No, huh?

excon

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So... tokeing Marajuanna is a states right... but stopping illegal immigration in a state isn't?

When its not the Feds that Pay to educate illegals... pay for uninsured illegals using emergency rooms... or crimes illegals commit.


Why would a Federal law against Murder preclude a state from prosecuting murderers under state law... but a State Law against Illegals that mirrors a Federal law be considered unenforcible why is one different than the other.

Where does the Federal Government get off dictating what insurnce you can and can't have and forcing you to buy it, when the Insurance Industry as a whole has always been regulated at the state level.

I'm making a point that if Arizona can't enforce a law against illegals since the left (that wants to buy those votes) claims it's the Federal government already has a law against it and the state can't enforce any Federal laws the FEDS have to follow the LAW... and in the same breath claim smoking MaryJane should be a states choice even when the Federal Government already has a law against it... that it should be ignored, and the Feds SHOULDN'T be allowed to follow the law.


See, I DO believe in states rights... which is why Obamacare is unconstitutional.. (where in the Constitution are the Feds granted that power)... and Obamas suit trying to prevent Arizona from enforcing illegal immigration on their turf (Obama sees them as future Democrats) and hell barbara "punchdrunk" Boxer thinks Illegals should have the right to vote...

People with outstanding Federal warrants are picked up by local police who check up on Americans routinely... but the same police aren't allowed to check up on illegals with the Federal Government at all, because??

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Never did I say that I defend the feds right to do that.... NEVER.

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What are you all worked up about, "they" was a generic reference to California progressives, not you. I was otherwise giving you credit for the message on having it both ways. You do like to mention that don't you?

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See, I DO believe in states rights.....

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Hello again, smoothy:

You believe in states rights, when you LIKE the right the state is asserting... Otherwise, not so much... Talk about consistency... DUDE!

May I assume you also believe in smaller government?? Except, of course, when it comes to people deciding what they want to DO with their own bodies... You support a HUGE, HUMONGOUS federal police force dedicated to stamping out that moral scourge/freedom. I suppose you support a HUGE, HUMONGOUS federal police force to make sure every woman has their baby, too. I haven't heard you say anything about the HUGE, HUMONGOUS, unconstitutional government NSA spying program that's reading your emails and listening to your phone calls, as we speak. Talk about consistency. Dude!

Nope. I ain't buying, what you're selling.

excon

Here is a big one I forgot in the original post...


Liberals are sooooooo concerned about Terrorists at Gitmo getting dunked in some water... and that they have their day in court when THEY started a war...

And in the same breath think it's their individual right to dismember living undorn babies because using a condom was too much work...

(no I'm not an anti-abortion activist) But that's the biggest most blatant bit of hypocrisy I see on the left outside of the Al Gore the human black hole preaching about how we should NOT do what he does every day.

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Hello again, smoothy:

You believe in states rights, when you LIKE the right the state is asserting.... Otherwise, not so much... Talk about consistency.... DUDE!

May I assume you also believe in smaller government???? Except, of course, when it comes to people deciding what they want to DO with their own bodies.... You support a HUGE, HUMONGOUS federal police force solely dedicated to stamping out that moral scourge/freedom. I suppose you support a HUGE, HUMONGOUS federal police force to make sure every woman has their baby, too. I haven't heard you say anything about the HUGE, HUMONGOUS, unconstitutional government NSA spying program that's reading your emails and listening to your phone calls, as we speak. Talk about consistency. Dude!

Nope. I ain't buying, what you're selling.

excon

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The NSA and CIA are what have kept the west coast from becoming a radioactive smoldering wasteland...

They don't exist solely to read excons emails, trust me... unless you are into something I don't think you are.

I have far more respect for the employees of those agencies.. ( I will neither confirm nor deny if I know any)... than I have for anyone in the Democrat party. One protects our rights... the other wants to take them away... in that order.

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The NSA and CIA are what have kept the west coast from becoming a radioactive smoldering wasteland....

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Hello again, smoothy:

So, BIG government is just fine with you - as long as it's BIG government you like. Talk about inconsistency. Dude!

excon

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Hello again, smoothy:

So, BIG government is just fine with you - as long as it's BIG government you like. Talk about inconsistency. Dude!

excon

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The Federal Government exists for the Common Defense.

If you knew what those agencies actually did... you would see how they mesh well with the military in keeping us safe.

Obamacare and Public housing are just two wastes of money and resources...

Without the Military and predecessors of the NSA and CIA, you wouldn't have the freedoms you so relish to do liberal things... or even be speaking English right now. You might be part of Emperial Japan... part of the Third Reich, or you might actually like this one... Part of the USSR. Assuming your parents or grandparents weren't executed for any reason in which case you wouldn't exist right now.

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Without the Military and predecessors of the NSA and CIA, you wouldn't have the freedoms you so relish to do liberal things......

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Hello again, smoothy:

So, at the risk of redundancy, BIG government is FINE with you, as long as it's BIG government you LIKE.

I'm just looking for a little Tea Party consistency here. That IS what this thread IS about. No?

excon

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Hello again, smoothy:

So, at the risk of redundancy, BIG government is FINE with you, as long as it's BIG government you LIKE.

I'm just looking for a little Tea Party consistency here That IS what this thread IS about. No?

excon

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You do realize, that if those agencies did what you think they do... people would be knocking on your door and taking you away.

NSA, CIA, Military... Good Government, Welfare, EPA, NEA, Affirmative action... bad government.


You do realise Obama is not a small government type... he wants to dictate what color and style underwear you use... along with everything else in your life.

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Hello again, smoothy:

So, at the risk of redundancy, BIG government is FINE with you, as long as it's BIG government you LIKE.

I'm just looking for a little Tea Party consistency here. That IS what this thread IS about. No?

excon

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This is about Liberals and how they have NO cionsistancy...


You never answered from your perspective... about why terrorists that have been captured on the battlefield have more rights to be treated better than the long standing Democrat stance of it's the mothers right to have a doctor rip her unborn baby to bits while its heart is still beating inside her.


And why its not right for us to do the same with the terrorists that so many liberals want the freedom to do with their own unborn children?


I've been dying for ANYONE to publicly ask that question and hear the justifications.

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NSA, CIA, Military........Good Government, Welfare, EPA, NEA, Affirmative action.... bad government.

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Hello again, smoothy:

Not to beat a dead horse, but BIG government is FINE with you, as long as you think it's good government. Otherwise, not so much...

I understand your conflict. You don't have to explain it to me. I'm just pointing out, that what you SAY about big government, isn't consistent with what you SAY about big government.

That's all.

excon

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Hello again, smoothy:

Not to beat a dead horse, but BIG government is FINE with you, as long as you think it's good government. Otherwise, not so much....

I understand your conflict. You don't have to explain it to me. I'm just pointing out, that what you SAY about big government, isn't consistent with what you SAY about big government.

That's all.

excon

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You are dodging my other question... terrorists having more rights than American babies in the eyes of liberals?

How does NSA and CIA equal Big government... when they are a small fraction of the Federal Workforce... which has grown leaps and bounds under Obama...

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How does NSA and CIA equal Big government.....

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Hello again, smoothy:

When the two of them together violate my rights under the Fourth, Fifth, Eighth, and Tenth Amendments to the Constitution.

excon

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Hello again, smoothy:

When the two of them together violate my rights under the Fourth, Fifth, Eighth, and Tenth Amendments to the Constitution.

excon

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You are dodging my other question... terrorists having more rights than American babies in the eyes of liberals?


Funny... they (NSA and CIA) aren't violating anyone else's rights... hiding from them for some reason, are we?

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...terrorists having more rights than American babies in the eyes of liberals?

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Because only liberals have abortions? Only liberals support a women's right? You'd be wrong on both counts.

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Funny....they (NSA and CIA) aren't violating anyone elses rights.....hiding from them for some reason, are we?

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Hello again, smoothy:

We've been here before... For a Tea Party person, you really don't understand the Constitution at all... Let's just take the Fifth Amendment right to due process and your underlying habeas corpus rights..

The government has decided it has the right to declare anyone it chooses to be an enemy combatant... It used to be, that you could fight that charge in court... That is fundamental habeas corpus. But, the government said that its designation CANNOT be challenged in court... So, if they can do that to a terrorist, they can do it to you - and me - and EVERYBODY else... That's how we ALL lose our rights - because ONE person did.

I don't expect you to understand what I've said... But that's cool.

excon

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Because only liberals have abortions? Only liberals support a women's right? You'd be wrong on both counts.

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Liberals are synonimous with Pro-babykilling activism.

They bought and own the topic...

Conservatives are synonimous with hypocrisy and closet homosexuality and pedophilia.

They bought and own the topic...

See? Anyone can play that game, It doesn't get you anywhere, it just lowers the discourse to the name-calling that any uneducated rube can do. Is that what you are aiming for here?

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Conservatives are synonimous with hypocrisy and closet homosexuality and pedophilia.

They bought and own the topic....

See? Anyone can play that game, It doesn't get you anywhere, it just lowers the discourse to the name-calling that any uneducated rube can do. Is that what you are aiming for here?

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So Liberals (defined by Democrats) believe in Killing babies by dismemberment... and bashing women who have the Nerve to run for Political Office...

Democrats believe in stealing the earnings of those who strive to earn a better living to GIVE it the lazy people who neither take education serious, or believe in earning what they expect to be handed to them.

Liberals who take millions from socialists like George Soros and cry about corporations contributing to political campaigns... while they take Union money that comes from union dues members are forced to pay when MANY union members are NOT democrat, nor support liberal causes.

Hypocrites like Liberals who were the cause of the housing problem that demanded people who didn't earn the right to buy a house should get one even if they could not pay for it... while trying to blame someone else.

Hypocrites like the liberals in the Main Stream media... that pretend to be unbiased Like Dan Rather, Katie Couric, and a long list of others from the main stream media who publicly commented on getting all tingly in the presence of their Messiah, then go on to bash, creatively edit interviews... and resort to flat out lies.

Hypocrites like the Liberals who stuffed ballot boxes openly with ballots "FOUND" in their own car trunks, Hypocrites like the liberals who refuse to investigate HOW in many counties in for example, Minnesota that had more votes cast than they had registered voters... even assuming the impossible 100% turnout.

Hypocrites like the liberals who brainwash students in public schools and reducing the quality of education while fighting against school voucher programs that not surprisingly would allow kids to get a real education free from a liberal influenced curriculum.

Dude you have hatred issues. Carry on solo.

Really, the lefties like to dish it out but they certainly can't take it.

Liberals by their very nature are hypocrites. Otherwise they would practice what they preach... instad of living by do as I say, not as I do. And hold their own to the same if not higher standards they hold everyone else to.

Prime example... AL GORE, the hydrocarbon black hole... wants everyone else to give up things like cars, central heating and air conditioning and electricity, while he is too good to fly commercial as flys everyplace by private jet... has fleets of fuel sucking vehicles and several Mansions that each use more power than the average small town.

Yet the left looks up to him and believes the crap he spews and can't see his own wretched excesses.

Smoothy, "Inconsistency" and "hypocrite" are both words you have used to describe liberals & democrats on this thread along with these statements:

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Liberals are synonimous with Pro-babykilling activism.
They bought and own the topic....

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So Liberals (defined by Democrats) believe in Killing babies by dismemberment.....

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You have stated the above yet you appear to be condoning abortion on a thread we have both just participated on.
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/relati...ml#post2597102

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If she is willing to get the abortion.....pay for it willingly....and run out the closest exit after she gets to the recovery room AFTER it happens. So you know to not stop payment on the check.

Next time you won't be so lucky.

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I find this very curious. Why do you give this man's situation a pass? Is this not inconsistent and hypocritical to what you have written on this thread? :confused:

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You have stated the above yet you appear to be condoning abortion on a thread we have both just participated on.
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/relati...ml#post2597102

I find this very curious. Why do you give this man's situation a pass? Is this not inconsistent and hypocritical to what you have written on this thread? :confused:

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Good point. It's always fun to catch someone red-handed.

Wow. And wow.

f'ing speechless. Registered gop'er who just cannot join in here long term.

I cry inside when my fellow R's lump all D's into LiBerALS! And babykillers.

f'ing seriously?

Makes me puke. And vote for lousy dem's over hate mongering R's who use God in the public forum for their own advance but don't see how Christ's whole life was about f'ing their simple, narrowed vision of life ff+ed up.

... sorry. Need to vom. And unsubscribe from this bullshQt thread of hate.

Gee... didn't see that coming...

Only lefties smoke dope and only lefties have abortions... k. what cool aid are you drinking?

Sorry... forgot. George didn't do dope. He liked coke. My bad. Never mind.

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Smoothy, "Inconsistency" and "hypocrite" are both words you have used to describe liberals & democrats on this thread along with these statements:




You have stated the above yet you appear to be condoning abortion on a thread we have both just participated on.
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/relati...ml#post2597102



I find this very curious. Why do you give this man's situation a pass? Is this not inconsistent and hypocritical to what you have written on this thread? :confused:

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What does that have to do with the price of rice in China?


I'm not part of the political party that wants free abortions on demand... that are paid by tax dollars like you are... you want abortions... pay for them yourself...

And neither am I one of the people that protest outside of abortion clinics...

No inconsistancies here... because I am on neither side of that fence.


Unlike the lefties... who consider life starting only after they join the socialist movement called the DNC.

Yeah... lefties are baby killers... but you know what... the lefties made it Legal to kill babies.

I've never had an abortion... obviously because I am a guy. But no woman I ever dated had one either.

All right, I will be more direct and try to make this simple for you. You have made a blanket generalization:

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So Liberals (defined by Democrats) believe in Killing babies by dismemberment....

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You are condemning all liberals for believing in "killing babies by dismemberment."

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If she is willing to get the abortion.....pay for it willingly.....

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I know you are not a liberal. Your hate filled diatribes towards them here on this forum most certainly back that up. Yet, you definitely are on board with the woman in the other thread getting an abortion. Therefore, the only thing left for us to conclude is either you don't actually believe what you have written here on this thread because you are a conservative who does believe in "killing babies by dismemberment" or, you are inconsistent and a hypocrite as you have been accusing the liberals of within this thread. So, which is it?

By the way, in your current post you state "the lefties made it Legal to kill babies". This is incorrect. That landmark case of Roe vs Wade which legalized abortion within the first trimester of pregnancy, occurred in 1973 under Nixon's administration. Although he was personally against it, the majority decision was made by 7 Supreme Court Justices, 5 of which were Republican appointees to the bench. Of the 2 dissenters, one was a Democratic appointee. Christian Political Science Perspectives: Are liberal judges to blame for Roe v. Wade?

Excon on another posting made the distinction between left and right not necessarily being the same as Democrat and Republican. That was truer in the early 70s than today when Republican President Nixon could hardly be called 'conservative' by Goldwater /Reagan standards.
Most of the Republicans from that era are better classified as "Rockefeller Republicans "aka limosine liberals .
The ones in the appointed for life oligarchy called the Supreme Court were no exception. I don't think anyone today would argue that the Burger court was anything but liberal.
Roe was the logical extension of the Griswold case where rights were divined out of thin air because these imaginary rights were in the penumbras and emanations of other constitutional protections. By extension it was liberal logic to assume there is a God given right to murder an unborn baby.

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By extention it was liberal logic to assume there is a God given right to murder an unborn baby.

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That sentence doesn't make sense. Can you show us where they said it was a god given right? Oh and abortion isn't murdering babies, the law doesn't back you up on that.

At the time, it was considered a conservative court. Over the years the divide between Dem liberals and GOP conservatives, has widened considerably. Now at this point in history, the GOP conservatives call them liberal. 50 years from now maybe the Republican party will be taken over by the conservative survivalists and you might be called a liberal by their standards. Tom, all of this is semantics and a discussion I am sorry to say I don't have the time to engage in at the moment. My point in posting is due to something entirely different.

This thread is Smoothy's angry rant about Inconsistency and Liberals. His outrage over abortion is apparent in this thread as well as others. Due to what he has written, I have always believed he was vehemently against it. But, on another thread he has encouraged someone to pay for one. I absolutely don't understand it. How can a person rant about something that very apparently disgusts and upsets them, blame an entire group of people for it, and then turn around and encourage someone to pay for one?

I can't comment on the other thread . The Warren court as far as I'm concerned was always an activist court . I don't care that he was an Ike appointee . His court was arguable the most liberal activist in history .(even though he was 100 % correct in Brown v Board).Warren's philosophies in SCOTUS were very different than during his Republican political career. Ike would NEVER had nominated him if he knew the body of work the Warren Court delivered.

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That sentence doesn't make sense. Can you show us where they said it was a god given right?

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NK who bestows rights ? The Government ? We Americans believe rights are God given (at least the founders did ) .We do not believe that the government that is in power by the consent of the governed had the authority to "grant rights".

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Indeed the law doesn't... that doesn't change the facts. People are horrified by the genocidal actions of Hitler's regime . Well the US is approaching 10x the horror.

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NK who bestows rights ? The Government ? We Americans believe rights are God given (at least the founders did ) .

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That where your "argument" fails. You need to separate religion and government. I don't think anyone but you conservatives want a theocracy.

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Indeed the law doesn't ...that doesn't change the facts. People are horrified by the genocidal actions of Hitler's regime . Well the US is approaching 10x the horror.

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Reductio ad Hitlerum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The fallacy claims that a policy leads to—or is the same as—one advocated or implemented by Adolf Hitler or the Third Reich, and so "proves" that the original policy is undesirable. The suggested logic is one of guilt by association, a classic confusion of correlation and causality, as if to say that anything Hitler did, no-one else should do, for it will obviously or eventually lead to genocide. "

You are dodging the question and the facts.

1. Declaration of Independence. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

2. Ok let's compare abortion to the Stalin Gulag. The number of murders are closer to that anyway.


In my previous comment I may have left the impression that the Warren Court decided Roe. In fact it was the Burger Court... the spawn of the Warren progressive activist judiciary. I attributed the Griswold case to the Warren Court and that begat the Roe decision . In that I am correct.

I am surprised the cite source monitor finds Wiki an acceptable source .

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Alright, I will be more direct and try to make this simple for you. You have made a blanket generalization:

You are condemning all liberals for believing in "killing babies by dismemberment."


I know you are not a liberal. Your hate filled diatribes towards them here on this forum most certainly back that up. Yet, you definitely are on board with the woman in the other thread getting an abortion. Therefore, the only thing left for us to conclude is either you don't actually believe what you have written here on this thread because you are a conservative who does believe in "killing babies by dismemberment" or, you are inconsistent and a hypocrite as you have been accusing the liberals of within this thread. So, which is it?

By the way, in your current post you state "the lefties made it Legal to kill babies". This is incorrect. That landmark case of Roe vs Wade which legalized abortion within the first trimester of pregnancy, ocurred in 1973 under Nixon's administration. Although he was personally against it, the majority decision was made by 7 Supreme Court Justices, 5 of which were Republican appointees to the bench. Of the 2 dissenters, one was a Democratic appointee. Christian Political Science Perspectives: Are liberal judges to blame for Roe v. Wade?

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You don't see conservative Pro-abortion activists... they are essentually all liberals.

All the Pro-abortion group activity has been liberals... not the conservatives... I've seen too many of those whack jobs over the years to fall for that line of crap that the left suddenly wants to disassociate themselves from... Next you will want to argue the ACLU isn't a left leaning organisation either..

You can't change history by ignoring it... I know the DNC Party handbook tells you to do that... but it doesn't work. The NEC does that to the captive Audience when they brainwash our kids... but I've seen decades of these nuts, I've been OUT of college for far more years than I was under the umbrella of the indocrination centers they call schools these days... most expect abortion on Demand... and want it for free no less.

I remember an interview with bob dole a couple of years ago, when asked about the current political landscape and all the players and angles... and he kind of lamented a different time, when his party stood for just small government and low taxes... as if he just wouldn't have been able to stomach all the noise there is today.

Then again, he's worked george mcgovern (gasp!) to fight childhood hunger and poverty in poor countries. Maybe he's really a bleeding heart lib? Kidding.

I think BOTH parties are hurt by the current tug of war with all the different influences.

Those who fight publicly for abortion are typically dems. Haven't seen too many gop'ers running on that line. Maybe in cali? So it shouldn't be an argument that the democratic party is the pro abortion party for the most part. Just the truth. They've aligned themselves with that platform. Period.

Personally, I have great issue with federal tax dollars going to aid abortions. If a state will fund it, fine. Likewise, I'm trained in the sciences. I see great potential in stem cell research. I have absolutely no problem with federal dollars not being allocated for that work when tied to fetal death... tho' I also have no prob with it tied to amniotic stem cells.