Where is the Uproar from the Freedom FROM religion types on the left when Boston PUBLIC school 6th graders are bussed to a mosque during school hours without either the notification or permission of their parents.



Video Shows Public Middle School Boys Joining Muslim Men In Prayer at Controversial, Saudi-Funded Boston Mosque

BOSTON, Sept. 16 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Americans for Peace and Tolerance (APT) today released a disturbing video showing Wellesley Massachusetts public middle school boys taking part in Muslim prayers during a field trip to a mosque. The video raises serious questions about permitting school children to visit the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center – the controversial Saudi-funded mosque in the Roxbury neighborhood of Boston.

It also raises questions about the behavior and intentions of mosque leadership. The mosque is controlled by the radical Muslim American Society (MAS).

In a May 2010 visit, the students were presented with Islamist propaganda, which falsified history by minimizing oppression of women in the Muslim world and whitewashing the role of Jihad in Islamic territorial conquests.

The most outrageous incident occurred during the Muslim mid-day prayer. The students were separated by gender. Then, some of the public school boys, along with the Muslim men, bowed and prostrated themselves with their heads touching the floor in traditional Muslim prayer.

"This is yet another one of a series of incidents at the mosque which demonstrate the deceitful nature of its leadership," said Dr. Charles Jacobs, President of Americans for Peace and Tolerance. "Under the guise of an educational field trip, the MAS subjected public school children to a subtle form of proselytizing. The combination of bad faith by the MAS with poor judgment, and perhaps incompetence, by school officials is responsible for this breach of the separation of church and state."

The Boston mosque, like the Ground Zero Mosque in New York City, has been embraced by local political leaders including Boston Mayor Menino and Massachusetts Governor Patrick. Dr. Jacobs noted, "Our political and civic leadership is reluctant to deal with the reality of Muslim radicals in our community promoting their Islamist agenda to our children, preferring instead to adopt a feel-good politically-correct posture."




Public School Field Trip: Inside Video Captures Kids Bowing to Allah

Massachusetts, | BOSTON, Sept. 16 | Video Shows Public Middle School Boys Joining Muslim Men In Prayer at Controversial, Saudi-Funded Boston Mosque | The Herald - Rock Hill, SC

School Trip to ?Moderate? Mosque: Inside Video Captures Kids Bowing to Allah

I'm speechless. I do not find it a stretch of the imagination to think that this will happen in NYC, if that "cultural center" is built.

Just another case of stupid educaters

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Just another case of stupid educaters

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I agree with you there... they can't teach the kids to read, write and do math so they waste time dragging them ot Mosques, damn what their parents want.

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Originally Posted by bleusong52

I'm speechless. I do not find it a stretch of the imagination to think that this will happen in NYC, if that "cultural center" is built.

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If this had been a field trip to a Christian Church the lawsuits would already be filed by the ACLU... under the separation of church and state statutes they loved to argue so much when it came to prayer and Christian Holidays.

You're exactly right. The story would be on CNN repeated over and over ad nauseum.

We should all know by this time that when the "separation of church and state" is rolled out, that it only applies to CHRISTIAN churches. Ditto for those in public office or military chaplains.

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Originally Posted by galveston

We should all know by this time that when the "separation of church and state" is rolled out, that it only applies to CHRISTIAN churches. Ditto for those in public office or military chaplains.

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I am marvelling at the glaring absence of our own liberal debaters when the subject is this outrageous. Ex can't make this one about Bush. NK can't disavow the Globe. Even these "educators'" decision can't be explained away by WG.

C'mon Lefties, step up to the plate. (This is my best excon impersonation, I'm not that good at it)

Stupid educators. Not involving religion in education should indeed mean all religions, unless the students specifically select the class as an elective. I'm always stunned by the school system in the US.

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Stupid educators. Not involving religion in education should indeed mean all religions, unless the students specifically select the class as an elective. I'm always stunned by the school system in the US.

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I quess these educators didn't believe Islam is a religion and therefore not admissible in school studies, after all they just wanted the students to appreciate the architectural beauty of the building or some such...

The students were compelled to participate which is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment by anyone's standards.

The teachers and administrators that approved this should be immediately dismissed.

I agree with bleusong... Change the name of the victory ghazva mosque to "cultural center " and every student in the NYC school system will be subject to this type of proselytizing .

They DID have the permission of their parents. The video originally posted says so.

And women's lot WAS improved in the 7th century by Mohammed and the beginnings of Islam.

Participation in this exercise meant the exclusion of the girls who took the field trip ;treating them as less than equal. Why are you defending that ?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Participation in this exercise meant the exclusion of the girls who took the field trip ;treating them as less than equal. Why are you defending that ?

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That was the POINT!!

Really ?Then it's a good thing that Islam has been at the forefront of rights for woman since.. the 7th century .

To make the lesson complete then the girls should be flogged for exposing their face.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Really ?Then it's a good thing that Islam has been at the forefront of rights for woman since.. the 7th century .

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Did I say Muslim women have had rights since then? No, I didn't. Don't twist my words.

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To make the lesson complete then the girls should be flogged for exposing their face.

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Yes, and that would have driven the point home even further.

For balance then you won't mind students going on a field trip to a cathedral to participate in a Latin Mass,including the kneeling and participation in the prayers... maybe receiving communion as a bonus.

That ACLU person present would have issues with that I'd bet.

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For balance then you won't mind students going on a field trip to a cathedral to participate in a Latin Mass,including the kneeling and participation in the prayers... maybe receiving communion as a bonus.

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Nope. And also a Jewish synagogue and also a Mormon temple (girls excluded again) and a Hindu temple and a Buddhist monastery. I only wish all that would have been done when I was a student.

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That ACLU person present would have issues with that I'd bet.

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I'm not a member.

So much for that "established" 'separation of church and state'. If this isn't an establishment clause violation, I don't know what is .Even Wellesley School Superintendent Bella Wong apologized and said it was a mistake to allow the children to participate in the prayers.
Wellesley schools chief apologizes for students' role in Muslim prayer service - Wellesley - Your Town - Boston.com

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Originally Posted by tomder55

so much for that "established" 'separation of church and state'.

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If it's for a civics or social studies class, and no one religion is pushed as the preferred one, what's the problem? And of course the parents have to sign a permission slip.

Kids want to "try it out" no matter what it is. If the adults don't stop them, of course kids will go through the motions to see how it feels. They do it with sex, so why not religion.

The parents weren't told their children would participate in Muslim prayers and prostate themselves.

I guess if you take prayer out of the class room and bring the class room to the mosque then that satisfies liberal sensitivities.

The students praying in no way can be called civics or social studies.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

The parents weren't told their children would participate in Muslim prayers and prostate themselves.

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No, but they DID give permission to go to the mosque. You (or someone) said that hadn't happened. I'm guessing there had been no coordination with the mosque people about details, so it just flowed that the time for prayers arrived, and the students were politely invited to participate. The hosts wouldn't have thought anything of it, and were being good hosts.

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I guess if you take prayer out of the class room and bring the class room to the mosque then that satisfies liberal sensitivities.

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I hope the class goes to other houses of worship.

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The students praying in no way can be called civics or social studies.

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Read what I wrote above. And earlier I wrote, kids like to try things out. Had the mosque people rolled up a unicycle in front of the group and asked if anyone would like to try to ride it, I'm sure several students would have volunteered. If the mosque people would have offered a plateful of stuffed dates to the students and invited them to take a bite, I'm sure some of the students would have obliged. That's what young people do -- they try things out.

Students would have fallen off the unicycle and spit out the dates and later complained about praying on the hard floor and hurting their backs and knees, especially for five times a day.

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No, but they DID give permission to go to the mosque. You (or someone) said that hadn't happened.

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No I did not say that ;but I can now say with a high degree of confidence that the parents were deceived about the purpose of the trip.
The parents were led to believe that the purpose of the trip was to study the architecture of the mosque,and "to give the kids an authentic experience inside the mosque by observing Islamic religion first hand."
Field Trip Prayer Prompts Apology :: The Investigative Project on Terrorism

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Originally Posted by tomder55

No I did not say that

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Someone yesterday was ranting about it. Musta been the guy whose name starts with "s".

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I can now say with a high degree of confidence that the parents were deceived about the purpose of the trip.

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That may not be true at all!

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The parents were led to believe that the purpose of the trip was to study the architecture of the mosque,and "to give the kids an authentic experience inside the mosque by observing Islamic religion first hand."

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You're a real color magician!

It definitely was an authentic experience! Like I said before (and you glossed over), the whole thing probably got out of hand with prayertime arriving and the gracious hosts inviting the students to experience the prayertime too. If an atheist had come to my father's church, I would have expected him/her to at least stand or sit quietly, bow his head, and even close his eyes in respect.

How many of these students have become Muslims now and have joined a terrorist cell?

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C'mon Lefties, step up to the plate. (This is my best Excon impersonation, I'm not that good at it)

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Hello Cats:

Sorry to disappoint you, but I am NOT a mouthpiece for the left. Besides, educators and what they do isn't representative of ANY particular political persuasion, as far as I know. What? There aren't Republican teachers?? If they did GOOD, I'll bet you'd think they were conservative. But, since they did bad, well...

Now, I don't know what the LEFT thinks about the public schools involving themselves in ANY religion. I can't imagine them not knowing that the trip is a violation of the Constitution. Let's hope these educators DON'T teach civics..

I don't know WHY you think I'd support a school outing to a mosque when I wouldn't support a school outing to a church. Yes, contrary to some accusations, I AM consistent.

excon

Looks like my Excon impersonation worked.

Hi, Ex. You're right(make that correct), you are consistent. You support the first 9 Amendments every chance you get.

Yes, I imagine there are Republican teachers, although it seems a fairly recent phenomenon and has nothing to do with the OP.

Wondergirl I am not faulting the people at the mosque for proselytizing .That's their job. I fault the school and particularly the escorts for not stopping it as inappropriate.
Thankfully there was a suspicious parent with a video camera. One could just imagine the subtle and not so subtle pressure on the students to participate otherwise.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Wondergirl I am not faulting the people at the mosque for proselytizing .That's their job. I fault the school and particularily the escorts for not stopping it as inappropriate.

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How many students have switched religions?

WG your question is a non sequitur .If all or none of them convert the issue remains the same.The students should not have been put in a positition to accept or reject an offer to pray during a field trip ;or participate in any ritual that could be construed as religious.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

How many students have switched religions?

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How many Hindus converted from seeing the Nativity Scene on the Courthouse lawn? Invalid question.

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The students should not have been put in a positition to accept or reject an offer to pray

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I shouldn't have had to relearn the Pledge years ago when someone stuck in "under God."

Where else would the students learn how to accept or reject something offered by a religious leader?

It's the parents call. I went to Catholic instruction because my parents chose the send me there... not because a school field trip was arranged .

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Where else would the students learn how to accept or reject something offered by a religious leader?

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Hello Carol:

At home, or in church. Certainly NOT in school.

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Why did I have to relearn the Pledge?

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Why did I have to relearn the Pledge?

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Hello again, Carol:

It's because some religious fanatic had some sway... It wouldn't happen now - but we're STUCK with it. It IS a LIE, isn't it?? One nation, under god... What a bunch of hooey. This is MY nation too, and it AIN'T under no god!

excon

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Where else would the students learn how to accept or reject something offered by a religious leader?

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Same place they learn to reject or accept the teachings of their own/their parents' religious views. In their heart once they've figured out on their own how to think, since their teachers are no longer allowed to teach such things.

The entire point to the thread is that since schools are prohibited from touring Holy Cross, they should be equally prohibited from touring this terrorist-funded madrassa.

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Originally Posted by excon

It's because some religious fanatic had some sway...

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So glad that fanatic was a Christian, or a lotta people would be awful mad!

Gee ,why stop there ? Why not scrub any historical reference to God by the founders regardless of how pertinent they were to the founding of the nation and their beliefs that our freedoms come from God?

The pledge is not a prayer so to compare it to the mosque field trip is apples and oranges.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Gee ,why stop there ? The pledge is not a prayer so to compare it to the mosque field trip is apples and oranges.

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Hello again, tom:

No, but the principle is the same - GOVERNMENT involvement in religion. If you believe the government SHOULD promote god, then it shouldn't bother you too much they they want to promote Allah...

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The reference to God doesn't promote God

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."[The pledge is] a secular activity - an individual statement of patriotism and respect for this country and its primary symbol."

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http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/suprem...er.ami.cif.pdf
(amicus submitted in the Newdow law suit )

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"A sense of proportion should also guide those who police the boundaries between church and state. Not every mention of God in public is a breach to the wall of separation -- context matters. It is doubtful that children reciting the Pledge of Allegiance feel oppressed or brainwashed as a consequence of muttering the phrase 'under God.' I didn't."

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Name that speaker...

Under your prescription any mention of God in our history and culture would be scrubbed from the curriculum regardless of it's content (the whole Enlightenment recognized a non-denominational God and an admiration and appreciation for that God's creation.You cannot properly study the Enlightement or it's influence on the founders without that basic fact)