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  • Sep 11, 2010, 05:38 PM
    paraclete
    If burning the Quoran endangers troops
    What does tearing pages out of it do?

    It's a bizzaire but predictable twist that the promised burning of the quoran didn't take place but others thought to rip pages out of the quoran to demonstrate their anger. So can we say that those who tore the pages are unconcerned about a heightened threat of Muslim militantism or is it that political correctness has, at last, met its match ?
  • Sep 11, 2010, 05:41 PM
    smoothy

    Islamic idiocy was at play without Korans being burned... and burning them, tearing them up or using pages from them to wipe the feces from ones Butt after deficating ( I like that idea even better than burning it, as you get a longer lasting satisfaction) won't change these idiots one iota.

    Its just a lame excuse to shoot off their mouths.

    THEY started this... THEY are the ones to make the first step of showing respect towards non-muslims. And I think Churches and Temples in Mecca and Medina both are a good place to start. With Saudi Arabia and other muslims funding their construction.
  • Sep 11, 2010, 06:05 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Islamic idiocy .

    Are you suggesting it was Muslims who tore the Quoran?

    No, there was a different form of idiocy at play. The form of idiocy that can give offence to millions but avoid contravening some city ordinance.

    It does no good to propose solutions which will only antagonise. It is time stop defining freedom as the ability to do anything and start defining it in terms of common sense and respect. The Muslims lack respect in their proposal to build a mosque, by whatever name, a mosque after all is just a prayer room, at ground zero, a place that people have heightened emotions about, and those who tore the Quoran lack respect.

    This problem is beginning to escalate and give militants the excuse they are looking for
  • Sep 11, 2010, 07:19 PM
    smoothy

    They offended US and killed numerous times over the years before Military action was taken against them.

    9/11 was a HUGE offence they have not paid penance for yet.

    Far too many Islamic countries and many , many millions of Muslims celbrated it and supported it. IF you had a TV and watched it then you saw many examples of celebrations in the streets by brain damaged Muslims... and a LARGE percentage of Imams support this sort of thing to give a free pass to ANY muslims... after all its OUR right and OUR choice. WHere was the mass killings of Imams that supported radical Islam? I haven't seen or heard about it? I'm still waiting for it in fact. IF in fact most Muslims didn't support the lunatic element they would do just that.

    Escalate what? Escalate FROM what?

    Personally, we haven't killed nearly enough yet to satisfy me...

    When 1,000 muslims have died for every single individual that died on 9/11 or was injured in some way... THEN we can talk about WHO escalated what.

    In its 1,300 years of existence, exectly WHEN what Islam ever peaceful?
  • Sep 11, 2010, 07:22 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    When 1,000 muslims have died for every single individual that died on 9/11 or was injured in some way

    That's already happened.
  • Sep 11, 2010, 07:27 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    That's already happened.

    Prove it... and I don't accept claims by Muslim associated groups as being valid.



    The initial numbers are indelible: 8:46 a.m. and 9:02 a.m. Time the burning towers stood: 56 minutes and 102 minutes. Time they took to fall: 12 seconds. From there, they ripple out.


    •Total number killed in attacks (official figure as of 9/5/02): 2,819

    •Number of firefighters and paramedics killed: 343

    •Number of NYPD officers: 23

    •Number of Port Authority police officers: 37

    •Number of WTC companies that lost people: 60

    •Number of employees who died in Tower One: 1,402

    •Number of employees who died in Tower Two: 614

    •Number of employees lost at Cantor Fitzgerald: 658

    •Number of U.S. troops killed in Operation Enduring Freedom: 22

    •Number of nations whose citizens were killed in attacks: 115

    •Ratio of men to women who died: 3:1

    •Age of the greatest number who died: between 35 and 39

    •Bodies found "intact": 289

    •Body parts found: 19,858

    •Number of families who got no remains: 1,717

    •Estimated units of blood donated to the New York Blood Center: 36,000

    •Total units of donated blood actually used: 258

    •Number of people who lost a spouse or partner in the attacks: 1,609

    •Estimated number of children who lost a parent: 3,051

    •Percentage of Americans who knew someone hurt or killed in the attacks: 20

    •FDNY retirements, January–July 2001: 274

    •FDNY retirements, January–July 2002: 661

    •Number of firefighters on leave for respiratory problems by January 2002: 300

    •Number of funerals attended by Rudy Giuliani in 2001: 200

    •Number of FDNY vehicles destroyed: 98

    •Tons of debris removed from site: 1,506,124

    •Days fires continued to burn after the attack: 99

    •Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100

    •Days the New York Stock Exchange was closed: 6

    •Point drop in the Dow Jones industrial average when the NYSE reopened: 684.81

    •Days after 9/11 that the U.S. began bombing Afghanistan: 26

    •Total number of hate crimes reported to the Council on American-Islamic Relations nationwide since 9/11: 1,714

    •Economic loss to New York in month following the attacks: $105 billion

    •Estimated cost of cleanup: $600 million

    •Total FEMA money spent on the emergency: $970 million

    •Estimated amount donated to 9/11 charities: $1.4 billion

    •Estimated amount of insurance paid worldwide related to 9/11: $40.2 billion

    •Estimated amount of money needed to overhaul lower-Manhattan subways: $7.5 billion

    •Amount of money recently granted by U.S. government to overhaul lower-Manhattan subways: $4.55 billion

    •Estimated amount of money raised for funds dedicated to NYPD and FDNY families: $500 million

    •Percentage of total charity money raised going to FDNY and NYPD families: 25

    •Average benefit already received by each FDNY and NYPD widow: $1 million

    •Percentage increase in law-school applications from 2001 to 2002: 17.9

    •Percentage increase in Peace Corps applications from 2001 to 2002: 40

    •Percentage increase in CIA applications from 2001 to 2002: 50

    •Number of songs Clear Channel Radio considered "inappropriate" to play after 9/11: 150

    •Number of mentions of 9/11 at the Oscars: 26

    •Apartments in lower Manhattan eligible for asbestos cleanup: 30,000

    •Number of apartments whose residents have requested cleanup and testing: 4,110

    •Number of Americans who changed their 2001 holiday-travel plans from plane to train or car: 1.4 million

    •Estimated number of New Yorkers suffering from post-traumatic-stress disorder as a result of 9/11: 422,000

    September 11 by Numbers



    Total those numbers of injured and killed and multiply the resulting sum by 1,000

    And I do mean ALL injured people as well as those killed... not just those killed outright.


    And Islamic nations and Mosques have reimbured the USA and the people effected by their followers exactly HOW MUCH so far... Because I'M still waiting on my money... and I don't want a dime from the USA... Islam owes it to me.

    Because one hell of a lot more Muslims are going to die before I get my pound of flesh for them trying to kill me... and yeah, its personal, really, really personal.

    I rarely hold a grudge... but this is an exception... when I hold one... I can hold it for a very, very long time.
  • Sep 11, 2010, 07:34 PM
    Wondergirl

    16,000 during the invasion of Iraq, and at least 100,000 during the occupation.

    The United States invaded a country that had not attacked us, dismantled its regime, and took hardly any precautions to prevent the (predictable) outbreak of violence. Having uncapped the volcano, we are not at all blameless.
  • Sep 11, 2010, 07:45 PM
    tomder55

    Now subtract the numbers of Iraqis killed by Iraqis or jihadists .
  • Sep 11, 2010, 07:51 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    16,000 during the invasion of Iraq, and at least 100,000 during the occupation.

    The United States invaded a country that had not attacked us, dismantled its regime, and took hardly any precautions to prevent the (predictable) outbreak of violence. Having uncapped the volcano, we are not at all blameless.

    No proof of those numbers claims... and even if those were true... it still isn't nearly enough.

    Can you comprehend what a CEASE FIRE AGREEMENT is? Its pretty darn clear you don't... because we didn't invade ANY innocent Country. PEROID. THose are typical Democrat Talking points issued by idiots that can't understand military things (usually democrats but a few republicans as well)... one of them what a cease fire is... and what violates them and what can happen when one does violate it too many times.


    We had EVERY right to go in when we did... because Saddam the Headless Buffoon, got exactly what he was asking for repeatedly since he begged for a Cease fire to save his sorry butt. And suitibly got his head popped off like a cheap doll.

    Here.. since you don't believe there was ever a cease fire agreement, nor that Iraq had a LONG list of conditions they were REQUIRED to honor... here is the UN brokered Cease Fire agreement.

    http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/sres/sres0687.htm
  • Sep 11, 2010, 08:25 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    They offended US and killed numerous times over the years before Military action was taken against them.
    9/11 was a HUGE offence they have not paid penance for yet.

    WHO HAS TO PAY THIS PENANCE YOU IMPOSED?

    I would have thought that US bombing of Al Qaeda and the Taliban might than been recompense in kind. How many of them were killed? To want 1000 times revenge is just not reasonable, it's insane.

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    Far too many Islamic countries and many , many millions of Muslims celbrated it and supported it. IF you had a TV and watched it then you saw many examples of celebrations in the streets by brain damaged Muslims... and a LARGE percentage of Imams support this sort of thing to give a free pass to ANY muslims... after all its OUR right and OUR choice. WHere was the mass killings of Imams that supported radical Islam? I haven't seen or heard about it? I'm still waiting for it in fact. IF in fact most Muslims didn't support the lunatic element they would do just that.
    So, you think that every person who ever expressed a radical thought or followed an idiot leader should be exterminated? By your standard, every german and japanese should have been exterminated in WWII and now Pakistan and Afghanistan should be wiped off the map because radicals live there. Would it surprise you that you are expressing the same sentiments as radical islam, those who are not with you are against you and should be eliminated.

    Those who celebrated, the Palestinians and Iranians, are nuts anyway and deserve what they get, but they are minority even in Islam. Can you blame uneducted people for the rubbish their leaders teach them when even educated people have fallen for the same sort of rubbish?

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    Personally, we haven't killed nearly enough yet to satisfy me...

    When 1,000 muslims have died for every single individual that died on 9/11 or was injured in some way... THEN we can talk about WHO escalated what.
    I begin to think you are seriously deranged and should seek help

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    In its 1,300 years of existence, exectly WHEN what Islam ever peaceful?
    It's 1400 years and some parts of Islam have been peaceful. Not the Arabian branch, I agree, they have been very radical, and essentially we have them to thank for the present situation, but have you observed that they haven't discriminated they have done to their own what they have done to you
  • Sep 11, 2010, 08:53 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    WHO HAS TO PAY THIS PENANCE YOU IMPOSED?

    I would have thought that US bombing of Al Qaeda and the Taliban might than been recompense in kind. How many of them were killed? to want 1000 times revenge is just not reasonable, it's insane.

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    So, you think that every person who ever expressed a radical thought or followed an idiot leader should be exterminated? By your standard, every german and japanese should have been exterminated in WWII and now Pakistan and Afghanistan should be wiped off the map because radicals live there. Would it suprise you that you are expressing the same sentiments as radical islam, those who are not with you are against you and should be eliminated. ?

    Those who celebrated, the Palistinians and Iranians, are nuts anyway and deserve what they get, but they are minority even in Islam. Can you blame uneducted people for the rubbish their leaders teach them when even educated people have fallen for the same sort of rubbish?

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    I begin to think you are seriously deranged and should seek help

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    it's 1400 years and some parts of Islam have been peaceful. Not the Arabian branch, I agree, they have been very radical, and essentially we have them to thank for the present situation, but have you observed that they haven't discriminated they have done to their own what they have done to you

    You Don't Determine what does and doesn't count as compensation by Islamic nuts. Americans do... Specifically Americans Directly affected on 9/11.

    Muslims and Islamic Countries OWE that pennance... they haven't exicuted a single pro radical Imam, but killed plenty of women for stupid stuff... not to mention all of their violations of international law pertaining to terrorism and support of terrorism. Hamas and Hezbolah are just to recurring examples of many.

    Islam has no concept of peacefulness... they have no concept of right and wrong. THey think they are superiour to all other non-muslims... yet manage to maintain a 7th century mindset and haven't progressed intellectually as a group in 1,300 years.


    I think you are aterrorist lover... Muslims attacked us... everyone they killed on 9/11 were civilians. Everyone they effected on 9/11 were Civilians... and YOU have the balls to defend them? THAT is what is derainged.

    Tell that to Isreal... tell that to every place Islam conguered and subdued by force... if you actually studied History you would know this. Islam has never been peacefull to non-muslims... EVER.

    I'll be happy if I personally get to cut the gonads and tongues off 100 Imams with a rusty knife and nothing to dull the pain.


    When someone attempts to kill you and fails... THEN you might be able to grasp the concept of retribution.

    Jesus may have turned the other cheek... but I'm not Jesus, and I want my due.
  • Sep 11, 2010, 10:36 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    You Don't Determine what does and doesn't count as compensation by Islamic nuts. Americans do....Specifically Americans Directly affected on 9/11.

    Muslims and Islamic Countries OWE that pennance....they haven't exicuted a single pro radical Imam, but killed plenty of women for stupid stuff....not to mention all of their violations of international law pertaining to terrorism and support of terrorism. Hamas and Hezbolah are just to recurring examples of many.

    Islam has no concept of peacefulness....they have no concept of right and wrong. THey think they are superiour to all other non-muslims....yet manage to maintain a 7th century mindset and haven't progressed intellectually as a group in 1,300 years.


    I think you are aterrorist lover......Muslims attacked us...everyone they killed on 9/11 were civilians. Everyone they effected on 9/11 were Civilians....and YOU have the balls to defend them? THAT is what is derainged.

    Tell that to Isreal....tell that to every place Islam conguered and subdued by force.....if you actually studied History you would know this. Islam has never been peacefull to non-muslims.......EVER.

    I'll be happy if I personally get to cut the gonads and tongues off 100 Imams with a rusty knife and nothing to dull the pain.

    When someone attempts to kill you and fails........THEN you might be able to grasp the concept of retribution.

    Jesus may have turned the other cheek.....but I'm not Jesus, and I want my due.

    As I said you have some serious problems, yes the muslims attacked the symbol of US imperialism, the Trade Centre, they did it on more than one occasion and they intended to cause maximum damage and if possible financially destroy your nation. Your problem is your pride has been hurt because they succeeded in demolishing your symbol of superiority

    I don't love terrorists, I deplore what they do, and have been castigated more than once for a poor attitude towards Muslims, but I know that large numbers of Muslim deaths will solve nothing. The Attack on Iraq by the US killed thousands of Muslims who were not involved in the 9/11 attacks, now what if those people demanded the same penance as you do, I doubt there is sufficient population in america to meet the price, that is how ridiculous your statement is.

    You will not change their seventh century mindset by attacking them. All you do is prove what they think of you. The appropriate response was destruction of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and you have achieved that
  • Sep 12, 2010, 08:53 AM
    smoothy

    I have problems because I feel I have a RIGHT to justice.

    I suppose you tell molested children to "get over it"?

    After all, They unlike most victims of Islam... will have the rest of their lives to remember someone told them to "Get over it"... while most victims of Islam are dead.


    I'd LOVE to hear your justifications for defending Islam, is it because you worship the same child molester they do?

    George Bush really hit the nail on the head when he said you are either with us or you are against us. There is no middle ground when Islam and its institutional support of terrorism is involved.

    So... killing off the Islamic Radicals accomplishes nothing?

    I suppose you oppose the death penalty too?

    How many exicuted criminals ever repeat their crime.

    How many Dead Islamic nutcases ever kill or opress another person?

    The answer to both above questions are NONE... because they are dead... out of the human gene pool permanently.

    I suppose the FACT that most problems in the world onvoling a Muslim have no bearings on the mindset Islam taeaches to these idiots... and look at ALL the trouble spots where Muslims are involved around the world... THEY are the ones that instigate it.

    And I am NOT a believer in rolling over and submitting to that scum. Because THAT is the only alternative to killing them. They won't stop killing others.

    Islamic nuts have no respect for the rest of the world, none at all.

    THey certainly have no respect for those afraid to fight them.

    And incidentally... it isn't over as long as Islam opresses anyone anyplace in the world.


    IRAN, then you have Hezbolah... Islamic Terrorists, Hamas---more Islamic Terrorists...

    Sudan... Islamic Terrorists, Somolia -- Islamic Terrorists...

    THe Child molestors that want to build a Victory Mosque at ground zero - Islamic Terrorists.

    I really don't give a damn what they think of me... at least they know I'm not afraid of them... at least they aren't thinking look at this other wussy that doesn't have the gonads to defend what he believes is right.


    And you are aware most of what Islam tells the Western world is not what they tell their own people? Being Decietful and a liar is not only allowed but encouraged by Islam.

    A point to remember before you believe anything they tell you.

    After all, show me any proof they systematically cleaned house and killed the Imamas and radicals among them. If it has EVER happened it's the best kept secret of the last 1,300 years.
  • Sep 12, 2010, 09:12 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I begin to think you are seriously deranged and should seek help

    Hello clete:

    Smoothy's posts, as vile as they are, should serve as a wake up call. He's not like the nut in Florida whom NOBODY agrees with. He's a hater who a LOT of Americans agree with. And, their numbers are increasing every day.

    The right wing is fanning the flames for political gain. Newt Gingrich, a fellow who is running for president, introduced his new movie, "America at Risk", by warning us "this is the end of times. This is the final struggle".

    Is it any wonder that smoothy and his ilk, are scared?

    excon
  • Sep 12, 2010, 09:28 AM
    Wondergirl

    From a new Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey on religion in America (Statistics on Religion in America Report -- Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life) --

    78.4% Christian

    00.6% Muslim
  • Sep 12, 2010, 03:56 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello clete:

    Smoothy's posts, as vile as they are, should serve as a wake up call. He's not like the nut in Florida whom NOBODY agrees with. He's a hater who a LOT of Americans agree with. And, their numbers are increasing every day.

    The right wing is fanning the flames for political gain. Newt Gingrich, a fellow who is running for president, introduced his new movie, "America at Risk", by warning us "this is the end of times. This is the final struggle".

    Is it any wonder that smoothy and his ilk, are scared?

    excon

    Right... you love terrorists and those who support them, THEY define HATE, THEY define Oppression... and I'm the hater.


    You know what... if hating Islams oppression and aggression, and Hating their worlwide terrorism campaign makes me a hater... then conversely it make you their dupe for believing their propaganda that 1,300 years of their history, much like Obamas life so far, NOTHING has been their fault.

    If we are supposed to be pussies and surrender to terrorists to be Pollitically correct and not offend their delicate sensibilities while they continue to kill innocent people worldwide... just so satisfy some left coast mentality that the USA is at fault for everything... including the Dlack death in the middle ages...

    I just have to cordually invite the terrorist appeasers to collectively kiss my butt.

    I suppose you would demand the same tollerance to serial child molestors too, because they much like Islamists have never harmed anyone that didn't deserve it by your reckoning?


    Exactly WHERE in the world have these Muslims STOPPED their reign of murder and terror? I'm waiting because they are STILL actively killing people everyplace... you know, that same religion that's managed to dupe the left into thinking its really peaceful.
  • Sep 12, 2010, 04:04 PM
    paraclete
    Smoothy I just don't get how islamic militants went from terrorists to child molesters. I expect it is some sort of back handed reference to mudhutmad, but what this has to do with burning the quoran or riping pages out of it is anybody's guess.

    Ok I get that you have a problem with muslims, that you are an islamophobe, but can't you see you have become what you hate
  • Sep 12, 2010, 04:10 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Ok I get that you have a problem with muslims

    Plus, it gets his mind off all the illegal (Hispanic) immigrants that are overrunning our country.

    Or maybe it doesn't.

    I wonder if he knows that white males will be a minority in not too many years?
  • Sep 12, 2010, 04:12 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Smoothy I just don't get how islamic militants went from terrorists to child molesters. I expect it is some sort of back handed reference to mudhutmad, but what this has to do with burning the quoran or riping pages out of it is anybody's guess.

    Ok I get that you have a problem with muslims, that you are an islamophobe, but can't you see you have become what you hate

    Islamist KILL people and you and excon among a minority, what to surrender to them... and give them a free reign to kill and opress.

    Child molesters rarely kill anyone so you HAVE to want to give them the same free ride too. After all, their victims survive to grow up.

    You are a CHRISTIAN and JEW HATER...

    You love terrorists because YOU defend them... there is NO middle ground.

    You can surrender to them if you wish... but you have absolutely NO right to demand others surrender to them.

    Anyone who aids , hides, funds, or defends terrorists really are no better or different than the terrorists themselves.

    And like I said... before... Terrorist lovers and defendors can collectively kiss my butt.

    THere are only two sides when it comes to terrorists... and you either want to end their capacity to kill... or you are on their side. There is NO middle ground.

    You make your own choice... you either want to help them, or you want to kill them before they kill more.


    Only foools think they will listen to a non-muslim, their faith teaches against that. THey are taught to believe all non-muslims are below them on the evolutionary scale. If that concept sounds familiar... The Nazis taught that about the Jews.
  • Sep 12, 2010, 04:17 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Plus, it gets his mind off all the illegal (Hispanic) immigrants that are overrunning our country.

    Or maybe it doesn't.

    I wonder if he knows that white males will be a minority in not too many years?

    We have the guns...

    Most liberals don't. Wait until some latinos, rape you and steal your property... then all I can say is we told you so. You will be on your own then.

    When you can't get a job because all our illegals flood your states when we kick them out... don't come crying to us... you asked for it.

    And we are running the Illegals OUT of our state so those who love them can have THEIR taxes increased to support even more of them in their states, while we lower ours now they aren't leeching our tax dollars. Because none of that support comes free.

    I catch anyone stealing my property... they get shot. They won't have a day in court explaining how the laws don't apply to them.
  • Sep 12, 2010, 04:56 PM
    cdad

    Here is some things on why muslims are looked at differently by the west.

    Ref: Not for weak stomachs

    Sharia Law


    About sharia law

    American Thinker: Top ten reasons why sharia is bad for all societies
  • Sep 12, 2010, 05:44 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    We have the guns...

    Yup. We're NRA members at my house.
    Quote:

    Wait until some latinos, rape you and steal your property... then all I can say is we told you so. You will be on your own then.
    Thank goodness for the 2nd Amendment.
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    When you can't get a job because all our illegals flood your states when we kick them out... don't come crying to us... you asked for it.
    I'm retired. I'll help them with resumes and do job coaching and will ask for empanadas in exchange.
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    And we are running the Illegals OUT of our state so those who love them
    I'm perfecting my Spanish skills. They're moving in nicely around here and cleaning up some bad (and also rundown) neighborhoods.
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    I catch anyone stealing my property... they get shot.
    I'll remember not to drop in unexpectedly.
  • Sep 12, 2010, 05:53 PM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    We have the guns....

    Most liberals don't.

    Hello again, smoothy:

    THIS liberal does. And, THIS liberal isn't intimidated by your threats. I've defended this country before, and I'll do it again. Let's go...

    excon
  • Sep 12, 2010, 06:02 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    THIS liberal does.

    I gots mine ready. And I also gots my dictionary, plus grammar and punctuation books.
  • Sep 12, 2010, 06:32 PM
    paraclete
    I think we need to get a few things straight here, you are sadly mistaken

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Islamist KILL people and you and Excon among a minority, what to surrender to them... and give them a free reign to kill and opress..

    I don't want to surrender to anyone, and I certainly don't want islamists, muslims, taking over my neighbourhood. I believe Muslims belong in their own place which is the middle east, africa, and not in western countries because they appear to be incapable of assimulation.

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    Child molesters rarely kill anyone so you HAVE to want to give them the same free ride too. After all, their victims survive to grow up..
    Child molesters are the lowest form of life in my estimation and should be permanently incarcerated since we are unable to execute the biblical judgement on them in this society.. [/QUOTE]

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    You are a CHRISTIAN and JEW HATER...
    Yes I am a Christian and I don't hate Jews. Israel has a right to exist in peace just as any country does. Having said that, other people have a right to exist in peace too.

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    You love terrorists because YOU defend them... there is NO middle ground.

    You can surrender to them if you wish... but you have absolutely NO right to demand others surrender to them..
    I neither love terrorists or defend them, but I don't descend to using terrorist tactics. Shooting people indiscriminately as you suggest is ridiculous. Troops should be in a position to defend themselves but not to kill civilians on suspicion.

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    Anyone who aids , hides, funds, or defends terrorists really are no better or different than the terrorists themselves..
    Have I said anything different, they are equally quilty, but pointing out you are over the top isn't defending terrorists, and pointing out that certain policies of your government has created the situation isn't defending terrorists.

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    And like I said... before... Terrorist lovers and defendors can collectively kiss my butt..
    As we say buddy, up your nose with a rubber hose

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    THere are only two sides when it comes to terrorists... and you either want to end their capacity to kill... or you are on their side. There is NO middle ground.

    You make your own choice... you either want to help them, or you want to kill them before they kill more..
    You and I only disagree as to tactics, you want to take a lot of bystanders with them and perpetuate the war, I don't


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    Only foools think they will listen to a non-muslim, their faith teaches against that. THey are taught to believe all non-muslims are below them on the evolutionary scale. If that concept sounds familiar... The Nazis taught that about the Jews.
    Now we are getting to the nub of the problem, you are a lot closer to a nazi than you think. You come across as a white supremist, you have just moved muslims into the number one slot you reserved for others. Yes, the muslims are brain-washed, but so are you, buddy, and perhaps you have listened to the german propaganda so long you can't tell when you are using it on others.

    The muslims are a fact of life in this world, as long as they stay where they belong, I won't seek to make war on them, but I'm not too sure about you. Forgiveness is an important principle, it sets you free, try it sometime!
  • Sep 12, 2010, 06:41 PM
    cdad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Child molesters are the lowest form of life in my estimation and should be permanently incarcerated since we are unable to execute the biblical judgement on them in this society.

    Did you happen to look at that first link I posted before? To me that's child molestation too what those idiots are doing to that young child.

    Here it is again:

    Sharia Law
  • Sep 12, 2010, 06:59 PM
    excon

    Hello, again:

    Rightwingers believe that the reason hate is spreading throughout America is because MODERATE Muslims do NOT speak up against Islamofacism. Apparently, if they DON'T speak out against it, YOU believe they're FOR it.

    I'm WAITING for any of our resident rightwingers to speak out against smoothy... Tick tock...

    excon
  • Sep 12, 2010, 07:20 PM
    kp2171
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    \Wait until some latinos, rape you and steal your property.....then all I can say is we told you so. You will be on your own then.

    I'm done with smoothy.

    My step daughter is latino.

    What a piece of S#!t
  • Sep 12, 2010, 11:55 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by califdadof3 View Post
    Did you happen to look at that first link I posted before? To me thats child molestation too what those idiots are doing to that young child.

    Here it is again:

    Sharia Law

    Sharia law is crap, a system thought up by a desert manic cobbled together from various systems
  • Sep 13, 2010, 04:57 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, smoothy:

    THIS liberal does. And, THIS liberal isn't intimidated by your threats. I've defended this country before, and I'll do it again. Let's go....

    excon

    Well I'm glad at least YOU believe in the Second amendment rights unlike many of your liberal cohoprts. Now there is a HUGE problem that you support the "RIGHTS" of muslims ,even those who are NOT Americans in Higher regard than Non-Muslim Christian Americans rights.
  • Sep 13, 2010, 05:04 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kp2171 View Post
    im done with smoothy.

    my step daughter is latino.

    what a piece of S#!t

    First off, I doubt your stepdaughter is an illegal. And if she is... well, if the shoe fits. And yes... I've distanced myself from people I found out were illegals. And turned them in. All were not Latino, but some were.

    The Law is the Law. I spent thousands of dollars and years to get my wife here legally... tough, I have no respect or tolerance for those that think they are above the law and too good to take the time and follow the law... pay the fees and get the permission.

    Illegal Latinos Commit a HUGE portion of the crime around here even though they are not a HUGE percentage of the population.

    I don't have problems with latinos that followed the law and got their green card legally. I have HUGE problems with those that are here illegally, pay no taxes, drive uninsured without valid driversliscenses, commit all number of crimes... and then have the balls to argue THEY have a right to be here.


    Sorry... nobody that was NOT born here has a RIGHT to be here, It's a privlege to be allowed to come here... but this is OUR country, and WE have the right to control who is allowed to come here. Follow the laws, get permission from INS to come here then I and the rest of us are fine with their being here.

    If you can't differentiate between the two... then the problem is yours, not mine.

    I really hope a MS-13 gang moves into the nieghborhood of ANYONE who thinks everyone from south of Texas has any right to come and go as they please without a green card or Visa, and disrespect our immigration laws. After all, nearly every one of them is here illegally, the left should love them. And none of them are any better than the Islamists. They all want to oppress and kill Americans. And if they aren't already... wait a while , the lefts attitude of look the other way means its going to happen sooner rather than later.

    You have tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of Chinese... East Europeans, Indians Pakistanis... that all want to come here... do THEY have any less right to come here than every illegal Latino? If so... you better explain exactly what gives them special rights? And where in the constitution its enumerated as such.
  • Sep 13, 2010, 05:43 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I think we need to get a few things straight here, you are sadly mistaken



    I don't want to surrender to anyone, and I certainly don't want islamists, muslims, taking over my neighbourhood. I believe Muslims belong in their own place which is the middle east, africa, and not in western countries because they appear to be incapable of assimulation.

    .

    Child molesters are the lowest form of life in my estimation and should be permanently incarcerated since we are unable to execute the biblical judgement on them in this society..


    .

    Yes I am a Christian and I don't hate Jews. Israel has a right to exist in peace just as any country does. Having said that, other people have a right to exist in peace too.

    .

    I neither love terrorists or defend them, but I don't descend to using terrorist tactics. Shooting people indiscriminately as you suggest is rediculous. Troops should be in a position to defend themselves but not to kill civilians on suspicion.

    .

    have I said anything different, they are equally quilty, but pointing out you are over the top isn't defending terrorists, and pointing out that certain policies of your government has created the situation isn't defending terrorists.

    .

    as we say buddy, up your nose with a rubber hose

    .

    you and I only disagree as to tactics, you want to take a lot of bystanders with them and perpetuate the war, I don't


    .

    Now we are getting to the nub of the problem, you are a lot closer to a nazi than you think. You come across as a white supremist, you have just moved muslims into the number one slot you reserved for others. Yes, the muslims are brain-washed, but so are you, buddy, and perhaps you have listened to the german propoganda so long you can't tell when you are using it on others.

    The muslims are a fact of life in this world, as long as they stay where they belong, I won't seek to make war on them, but I'm not too sure about you. Forgiveness is an important principle, it sets you free, try it sometime!

    Ok... actually I'm glad you spelled out exactly where you stood, because from my perspective it really wasn't clear based on many of your arguments.

    I do live in a place where the Death penalty exists and is used.

    And personally... I'm glad it does. It should be used in more cases than it is, (Including repeat Child molestors, Gang related crimes, etc).

    And your rants about me being a right wing extremists couldn't be further off base.

    I see little difference between the White supremacists, Nation of Islam, Black Panthers and most Muslims... except that most muslims are far more disposed to force THEIR way on others than the Klan or other similar group is.

    Funny how the left in general has been assulting the rights of Christians and Jews for decades... and yet at the same time defend Muslims and what they do, and try to do.

    They pay OUR tax dollars for the lunatic Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf to go raise money to pay for this Victory Mosque... IN THE MIDDLE EAST, so it isn't even American Muslims paying to build it...

    Imam behind support for Ground Zero mosque, Feisal Abdul Rauf may do fundraising on Federally funded trip - NYPOST.com


    But let a High school football team have a group prayer THEY lead and let the howling form the left start...

    So its fine to waste tax dollars on a Radical Imam... but heaven forbid they do it on a Christian. Or allow Christian Children Celibrate christmas together.

    And the problem is Muslims don't want to stay where they belong... they believe it's their right and destiny to force their way on the rest of us. And it's that sad fact that means you can't let you guard down around them. Its true here... Its doubly true in Isreal... and its true in the rest of the world.


    If they Muslim world is such a wonderful place why do Muslims want to leave it... now if that was so simple it would be different, but they won't assimulate, worse they want to force their ways on the rest of us... and I say to them, you join our way of living, OUR laws, OUR way of life... or pack your bags and go back to your 7th century world.


    We have progressed into the 21st Century here where Sharia isn't wanted... or welcome in "The west".

    I'm really not sure what country you live in... I'm sure you have mentioned it before, I just don't remember what it was.

    Personally, I disagree with most thing Obama has done or tried to do.

    As far as Gitmo detainiees... they should all be taken out and shot. Animals at the Zoo are more civilized than that bunch of degenerates are.

    And this is from a personal Friend who was a guard at Gitmo for 2 years. You don't hear in the mass media about what those prisoners are relly like, and what they do.

    Tigers at the Zoo have more respect for life than Terrorists at Gitmo do.

    In fact, Gitmo terrorists act more like the Monkey house at the zoo than humans... with a propensity to throw Feces, Urine and vomit on a daily basis. Yeah, what a nice bunch of innocent people they are according to the New York Times and Washington comPost.
  • Sep 13, 2010, 05:47 AM
    NeedKarma
    Man all I see here is an awful lot of howling from the right... jus' sayin'
  • Sep 13, 2010, 06:06 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    man all I see here is an awful lot of howling from the right...jus' sayin'

    And a lot of terrorist "rights" being defended by the left... just saying.
  • Sep 13, 2010, 06:12 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    And a lot of terrorist "rights" being defended by the left......just sayin.

    I'm saying look at this forum - it's mostly filled with people from the right bellyaching about something, anything. It isn't the left that's doing all the whining it's the right. Everything offends them!
  • Sep 13, 2010, 06:21 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    I'm saying look at thsi forum - it's mostly filled with people from the right bellyaching about something, anything. It isn't the left that's doing all the whining it's the right. Everything offends them!

    When did excon become a righty?
  • Sep 13, 2010, 06:25 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    When did excon become a righty?

    Yup, you're correct, he's on his own against you guys.
  • Sep 13, 2010, 06:33 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    I'm saying look at thsi forum - it's mostly filled with people from the right bellyaching about something, anything. It isn't the left that's doing all the whining it's the right. Everything offends them!

    Really... the left argues terrorist have the right to build memorials to terrorists , burn bibles and kill people unopposed and that's "RIGHT" whining?
  • Sep 13, 2010, 06:37 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    the left argues terrorist have the right to build memorials to terrorists ,

    Please show where a liberal on this forum said that.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    terrorist have the right to...burn bibles

    Please show where a liberal on this forum said that.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    terrorist have the right to ...kill people unopposed

    Please show where a liberal on this forum said that.
  • Sep 13, 2010, 06:37 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Rightwingers believe that the reason hate is spreading throughout America is because MODERATE Muslims do NOT speak up against Islamofacism. Apparently, if they DON'T speak out against it, YOU believe they're FOR it.

    I'm WAITING for any of our resident rightwingers to speak out against smoothy.... Tick tock...

    Tick tock...

    excon

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