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Well it's Official: God did not create Universe

Stephen Hawking: God did not create Universe

Stephen Hawking The Universe can create itself from nothing, says Prof Hawking

There is no place for God in theories on the creation of the Universe, Professor Stephen Hawking has said.

He had previously argued belief in a creator was not incompatible with science but in a new book, he concludes the Big Bang was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics.

The Grand Design, part serialised in the Times, says there is no need to invoke God to set the Universe going.

"Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something," he concluded.

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[Hawking] adds: "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing."

Where did gravity come from?

Now where did I put my barge pole ;)

The ALS is infiltrating his brain.

Wow, stephen hawking said that, he's the last person id expect to say such a thing, right after the pope :eek:

The scientist approached God and said, "Listen, we've decided we no longer need you. Nowadays, we can extract stem cells, clone people, transplant hearts, and all kinds of things that were once considered miraculous."

God patiently heard him out, and then said, "All right. To see whether or not you still need me, why don't we have a little man-making contest!"

"Okay, great!" the scientist said.

"Now, we're going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam," God said.

"That's fine," replied the scientist and he bent down to scoop up a handful of dirt.

"Whoa!" God said, shaking his head in disapproval. "Not so fast, pal. You get your own dirt."

"Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something"

Now that's deep.

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The scientist approached God and said, "Listen, we've decided we no longer need you. Nowadays, we can extract stem cells, clone people, transplant hearts, and all kinds of things that were once considered miraculous."

God patiently heard him out, and then said, "All right. To see whether or not you still need me, why don't we have a little man-making contest!"

"Okay, great!" the scientist said.

"Now, we're going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam," God said.

"That's fine," replied the scientist and he bent down to scoop up a handful of dirt.

"Whoa!" God said, shaking his head in disapproval. "Not so fast, pal. You get your own dirt."

I love that joke. I have a friend who tells it to someone every week I think.

New Bumper Sticker :

Big Bangs Happen

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New Bumper Sticker :

Big Bangs Happen

"And if we don't yet know the cause we'll invent an invisible man in the sky and attribute it to him."

I love science .The more we learn,the more they confirm God's existence.

Not really. :)

Really, NK? Seriously now, "spontaneous creation is the reason there is something" is how we all got here? Who did the spontaneous creating?

Genesis has been dutifully revised :

1:1 In the beginning there was nothing ,the universe was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

1:2 And then it exploded.

God = gravity? What a pecular idea, but then I expect if I was confined to a wheel chair and couldn't speak I'd have pecular ideas too

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Really, NK? Seriously now, "spontaneous creation is the reason there is something" is how we all got here? Who did the spontaneous creating?

It's a matter of faith. Our faith says something created something . Hawking's faith says that nothing created something.

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God = gravity? What a pecular idea, but then I expect if I was confined to a wheel chair and couldn't speak I'd have pecular ideas too

Duplication is the standard of science . Therefore it should be no problem for Hawking to demonstrate spontaneous creation.

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It's a matter of faith. Our faith says something created something . Hawking's faith says that nothing created something.

I knew it was matter of faith, I was just struggling with how to put it this early in the morning. That was perfect.

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Duplication is the standard of science . Therefore it should be no problem for Hawking to demonstrate spontaneous creation.

Maybe that Large Hadron Collider scientists created is already duplicating it.

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Duplication is the standard of science . Therefore it should be no problem for Hawking to demonstrate spontaneous creation.

So what you are saying is one vacuum begets another?

The complexity of the mind of Hawking is boggling .
There are laws without lawgivers ;there are effects without cause, there is creation without a creator.
I guess 'stranger than fiction' is a valid axiom in this case .But mathematics has that covered too. There are logical axioms and non-logical ones.

Hello:

Well, you guys have a STAKE in the outcome of this discussion, don't you?? Otherwise, your lives will become shams... So, I'd stick to it too.

I'm one of the lucky ones, though, because if I'm wrong, God will STILL welcome me into heaven... But, if YOU'RE wrong, you've wasted your life...

What?? MY God doesn't require selfless devotion to him like yours does... Besides, MY God thinks it's cool to smoke his natural herbs, and he HATES people who put smokers in jail. So, you better hope that it's YOUR God at the gates instead of MINE.

excon

Glad to see the acknowledgement of a 'higher' authority .
You truly are 'evolving '.

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Maybe that Large Hadron Collider scientists created is already duplicating it.

Romans 1 :19-22

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[Hawking] adds: "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing."

Where did gravity come from?

Where did God come from?
God's mom and dad!

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Where did God come from?
God's mom and dad!

Hello asking:

**greenie**

Pretty astute question.

excon

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Really, NK? Seriously now, "spontaneous creation is the reason there is something" is how we all got here? Who did the spontaneous creating?

Nobody's to blame, its just one of those things

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Genesis has been dutifully revised :

1:1 In the beginning there was nothing ,the universe was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

1:2 And then it exploded.

Spontanious combustion :D

Hello again,

Actually, it's parallel "branes" (membranes) from other dimensions that sometimes come together to create a bang and a Universe. It happens all the time - if there IS such a thing as time..

That's as simple as I can explain the physics. Don't you wish you were as smart as Hawking and me?

excon

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spontanious combustion :D

Like voices coming from burning bushes or talking snakes. LOL!

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Originally Posted by tomder55

The complexity of the mind of Hawking is boggling .
There are laws without lawgivers ;there are effects without cause, there is creation without a creator.
I guess 'stranger than fiction' is a valid axiom in this case .But mathematics has that covered too. There are logical axioms and non-logical ones.

Guess its better to say 'i don't know how it happened' than to say 'my imaginary friend did it'

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Like voices coming from burning bushes or talking snakes. LOL!

And suddenly the bush burst into flames and started talking to abraham wasn't it? :D

Moses

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Moses

Hello again,

Nahhh... It was Charlton Heston...

excon

Doesn't matter what Hawkings said... it's about what the Bible says.. the words in red.

What words in red??

The New Testament. Yes the old testament was where creation was written about, it's the foundation for the new testament.

Okay not going to argue with you. Bye

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Where did God come from?
God's mom and dad!

I was going to ask the same thing!

If the Universe could be created out of nothing what about God?
That means God had to be created by someone seeing as how he couldn't just appear out of nothing!

@kit
Not arguing, just wanted to know where do we see words written in red.

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@kit
Not arguing, just wanted to know where do we see words written in red.

NK... The words that Jesus spoke are written in red.