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Obama: Christian or Muslim?

Frankly, I never thought about this issue until I heard of a recent survey on NPR.
Pew Survey: Growing Number Of Americans Say President Obama Is Muslim

I know that he attended a Christian church for many years up to recently... but also know now that in his autobiography he claims to be Muslim.

It blows my mind that a national and reputable organization would support and quote a "survey" on this issue.

Can anyone supply a recent quote from the President Obama where he affirms what his faith is as of today?

Where (on what page) of his autobiography does he claim to be a Muslim?

(And if he were, so what?)

Hello J:

Most Americans aren't very bright. They go along with who's yelling the loudest. It's a shame people believe what they do about him.

excon

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Where (on what page) of his autobiography does he claim to be a Muslim?

(And if he were, so what?)

I don't really care, but I'd like to know. Is that OK?

In answer to your questions:

1. I've not read his autobiography but have read in other posts on this site that it is there:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post2486425

If that person is wrong, I'll be the first person to confess to "passing along rumors".

2. So what? I don't know, I was just asking. Is it not OK to ask or wonder what faith group the President of the US belongs to?

President Obama is a Christian.

What is "quoted" about President Obama being Muslim is taken out of context.

It's like if I would say Joggs doesn't really care about anything. But then that's not what you said, is it.

Wondergirl, please don't presume too much about me. I was just wondering.

Since you posted, I'll pick up a copy of Dreams from My Father and read for myself.

As a second thought/comment: You say that he is Christian. What is your source for that information?

The President is, or is not ,Christian . I think he attended services in Chi-town because it was poltically expedient to do so . He has not exactly shown an enthusiasm for attending services as President . He more likely will shoot hoops than attend services.

I really don't think it's a big deal. The only thing you can divine from his autobiographies is that he did attend a Muslim school as a young child. But ,that really doesn't tell you much . There are plenty of children who go to religious instructions and then make the decision to reject their parent's faith later . He's not said or done anything to suggest he follows Islam today.

His belief shouldn't matter, it's a personal issue.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I really don't think it's a big deal. .

I'll agree. I was just wondering. Since someone here said that Obama claimed to be a Muslim - and he apparently attended a Christian church for many years - and there's now a big survey... I just couldn't help but wonder.

Being that I saw it here on this site (see the link above) that he claimed to be Muslim, can anyone here who has read the book (especially member "smoothy" who said it) confirm what Obama said and on what page?

Again, I'm just wondering. Please don't beat me up too bad for wondering :o

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

His belief shouldn't matter, it's a personal issue.

Ok, but I'm just wondering. Isn't that OK here on a public forum?

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Again, I'm just wondering. Please don't beat me up too bad for wondering

I'm not... it is a legit question ;and since you point out the survey published today ;it qualifies as Current Events .

I don't believe he has made any claim as an adult to being Muslim.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I don't believe he has made any claim as an adult to being Muslim.

So did "Smoothy" misquote him at the post I mentioned earlier? I'll find out for myself and pick up a copy of the book this afternoon.

Smoothy, are you here? If so, can you please tell me where to look for where Obama says that he is a Muslim? You said "Obama is a Muslim...and he said so in his own autobiography".

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Originally Posted by Joggs

Being that I saw it here on this site (see the link above) that he claimed to be Muslim, can anyone here who has read the book (especially member "smoothy" who said it) confirm what Obama said and on what page?

I'm not beating you up. It's a fair question.

I too have asked for the page and quote (and name of the book), but no one who claims President Obama is Muslim has come forward yet. I'm still waiting.

Your question is fair. If I've presumed something that is not true then I will be the first to apologize.

Since we're on the subject of sources, Wondergirl, what is your source for saying that Obama is Christian?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

President Obama is a Christian.

What is your source for believing that?

I don't believe you will find it in the autobiographies . But I will do a quick search. He has said things like "my Muslim faith " in an interview to ABC's George Stephanopoulos; but I don't think you can read too much into it. The fact that his father was Muslim is undeniable. But a comment like that could be cultural in context ;much like my saying "I'm Italian" .

He attended Rev, Wright's radical Trinity United Church of Christ in Chi-town for close to 20 years.

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Originally Posted by Joggs

So did "Smoothy" misquote him at the post I mentioned earlier?

You might to do your own research before using assertions from "Smoothy" - just a heads up.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You might to do your own research before using assertions from "Smoothy" - just a heads up.

I'm learning as I go. I should do my own research before using assersitions from ANYONE on a public forum.

Haha, I know the 3 most important things about real estate: 1. Location, 2. Location, and 3. Location.

I should know better and know the three most important rules about what I hear, read or see on TV: 1. Source, 2. Source, and 3. Source.

Cite your sources!
Right?

You can check my facts . According to his bios his father wasn't even that good a Muslim. He allegedly lost faith and became atheist.

My opinion... I don't think he holds any religious faith too intensely . Like I said... I think his attendance at Trinity was part political opportunism ,and part the parental obligation to raise your children with a moral foundation.

He sent NASA Administrator, Ret. General/Astronaut Bolden on tour to raise Muslim esteem (NASA site/Bolden speeches and Al-Jazerra interview)) while muslims kill American military.
He appointed devout muslims to high level Homeland Security positions (snopes.com: Muslims Appointed to Department of Homeland Security?)

Two well-documented, sourced, vetted, very pro-muslim facts.

Please respond with equally documented Obama Christian Support credentials.

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Originally Posted by smearcase

He sent NASA Administrator, Ret. General/Astronaut Bolden on tour to raise Muslim esteem (NASA site/Bolden speeches and Al-Jazerra interview)) while muslims kill American military.
He appointed devout muslims to high level Homeland Security positions (snopes.com: Muslims Appointed to Department of Homeland Security?)

Two well-documented, sourced, vetted, very pro-muslim facts.

Please respond with equally documented Obama Christian Support credentials.

? I support Muslims but I'm not a Muslim. I'm not sure how your comments are an answer to my question.

I don't support muslims. I support the American troops fighting against muslims as we speak.

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Originally Posted by smearcase

He sent NASA Administrator, Ret. General/Astronaut Bolden on tour to raise Muslim esteem (NASA site/Bolden speeches and Al-Jazerra interview)) while muslims kill American military.
He appointed devout muslims to high level Homeland Security positions (snopes.com: Muslims Appointed to Department of Homeland Security?)

Two well-documented, sourced, vetted, very pro-muslim facts.

Please respond with equally documented Obama Christian Support credentials.

snopes.com: Who Is Barack Obama?

Obama has appointed Jews & Christians to various posts as well. Maybe he figures devout Muslims might have a better insight? I don't know. But, being a devout Muslim doesn't automatically make someone a Muslim terrorist.

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Originally Posted by smearcase

I don't support muslims. I support the American troops fighting against muslims as we speak.

Hello smear:

And, the Muslims fighting along WITH our soldiers?? What are they? Chopped liver?

Besides, I thought we went into Iraq to LIBERATE the Muslims. How does THAT sit with your anti-Muslim rant? You don't need to answer. There IS no answer to the stuff you're saying.

I WILL say this. I'm a Jew. If you want to know what lead to the holocaust, it was stuff LIKE THIS. I also know that you won't understand what I'm saying. Bigotry is BLIND.

excon

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Originally Posted by smearcase

I don't support muslims. I support the American troops fighting against muslims as we speak.

That's a sad comment.
So what about the Muslims who are a part of our troops?

But I digress. Unless someone can quote Obama as to what he says his faith is, I guess there's no answer to my question.

I don't want a debate right here right now, I just asked a question.

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Originally Posted by smearcase

I don't support muslims. I support the American troops fighting against muslims as we speak.

Kill all the brown people!!!

Here is an interesting op-ed in a major.. um.. publication during the campaign.

It says that because the President's father was Muslim ,under Muslim law the President is one .For him to declare anything else makes him apostate.
The New York Times > Log In

The only conclusion one can draw from anything I've read is that the President considers himself Christian .

Joggs, I am having trouble finding transcripts with actual quotes for some reason. I agree with Tom. Everything I have read points to Obama considering himself Christian. Here is one transcript I found that might help you.

Obama sets record straight on religion - Politics - Decision '08 - Barack Obama News - msnbc.com

"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
-Article VI, Section 3, United States Constitution

NK . No one is using his religion as a basis to say he's ineligible for the Presidency.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
-Article VI, Section 3, United States Constitution

I know. So what's the point of posting that?

I see only 2-3 posts here that even come close to being attempts to answer my question. Is that how things work here? Did I post in the wrong place?

I'm just reaffirming that the faith of a president shouldn't even be an issue. He needs not "affirm" his faith to anyone.

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Originally Posted by Joggs

Did I post in the wrong place?

Hello again, Joggs:

No. You just posted an insensitive question. I suspect that you are totally unaware of it, though, and I don't know how to explain it to you.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Joggs:

No. You just posted an insensitive question. I suspect that you are totally unaware of it, though, and I don't know how to explain it to you.

excon

So it's insensitive to wonder and ask? Wow.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I'm just reaffirming that the faith of a president shouldn't even be an issue. He needs not "affirm" his faith to anyone.

I've never suggested that he "need to". I'm mind blown how asking a simple question has brought out so many opinions and comments that have nothing to do with the question.

You say this:

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Originally Posted by Joggs

I've never suggested that he "need to".

But your original question for this thread is:

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Originally Posted by Joggs

Can anyone supply a recent quote from the President Obama where he affirms what his faith is as of today?

Which is it?

Hello again, Joggs:

His religion has been a topic for a long time. You're not the first to ask. One of the first major controversy's about him involved his CHRISTIAN CHURCH, and the Rev. Wright... So, to those who looked, his religion was clear from the get go.

Then came the accusations that he was SECRETLY a Muslim, or that he didn't tell the truth, or that the circumstances surrounding his birth are mysterious... This was done to paint him as someone "other" than us, someone "different", someone "not like you and me". Personally, I don't care if he's a Muslim or not, but the accusations weren't simply about his religion, the accusations were about his AMERICANISM, and his ALLEGIANCE to this country.

Now, you may have asked out of simple curiosity. But, LOTS of people who would ask the same thing, have a political AGENDA in mind. Only YOU know which one you are.

excon