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Seriously? Why isn't it stopped??
I've volunteered already. Hopefully I'll get to go wash birds. This is absolutely horrible.. And the worse thing is.. its not getting any better..
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My cousin's wife is already there, scooping up birds, cleaning them off.
I want to do that so bad! I volunteered through National Audobon Society... Put on my form I'm willing to travel...
This is so sad! And they're drilling again... soon in the arctic
What are they doing with the cleaned-up birds and other animals? If they release them back into the wild, they'll just get all gunked up again.
I think, but not certain, they go to a sanctuary and then moved to a part of the coast that is not funked up...
I'm not certain though..
I commend you on your efforts.
There are 3 other OP on the subject in the Current Events board. We have commented extensively on the issue.
Clearly it is more complicated then"why isn't it stopped ?"
I think there is plenty of room for finger pointing and debate. But there can be no doubt that the stauts quo is in no one's best interest . Attempts to stop the flow from the well have to date failed. More ideas are in the works .
BP attempting to stop leak Wednesday...maybe - 14 News, The Tri-State's News and Weather Leader-
Basically it comes down to this . The government has no clue about what it takes to plug the gusher .They could enlist other oil companies like Exxon-Mobil to assist .But other than that ;they are dependent on BP to fix the problem.
It is our worst nighmare come ture :(
It's bad, it's sad, it's ugly... but if this is our worst nightmare I'll sleep much better.
Sweet dreams to you!
What's done is done.. But what is making this horrible, is the fact that BP is drilling yet again.
How many more creatures and people does BP have to kill before someone wakes up and says, "Hey, this isnt right".
I watched on a news channel last night.. Mr. Keith Olberman -- Who said, "Why are we letting the murderer run the investigation"
BPs solutions are not working. They're laying down more poison in the oceans to clean up their disaster. When we tell them they can't do that, they just snap back at us and agree to not use as much. That's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
BP needs to take all their efforts into stopping this leak. They got the pipes down there, why can't they stop it? And further more, why are they drilling someplace else now?
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Originally Posted by Lucky098
Nope, that's what they are doing. At least that's what they are doing until the sanctuary is full. I believe it's in Georgia.
As I understand it the Obama Interior Dept is issuing new permits and environmental waivers as we speak.Quote:
BP needs to take all their efforts into stopping this leak. They got the pipes down there, why can't they stop it? And further more, why are they drilling someplace else now?
Despite Moratorium, Drilling Projects Move Ahead - NYTimes.com
Why are they still drilling ? Because we still need oil for fuel our economy. Do you think our not drilling will prevent Mexico ,Venezuela ,Cuba from drilling in the same neighborhood ?
Let's get some things straight and not rely on Olby for any rational analysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky098
As I noted yesterday, Obama's government is still issuing environmental waivers to drill in the Gulf. Not one of the 5 waivers granted since the spill were granted to BP. I bet Olby didn't rant about that did he?
And, in spite of all the rhetoric about BP, the guy in charge down there, USCG Admiral Thad Allen, trusts BP's CEO. “I trust Tony Hayward,” Allen said of BP’s chief executive officer when asked if he trusted the company. “When I talk to him, I get an answer.”
As tom as said many times, this is new territory. Lessons will be learned, technology will emerge, and Obama will go on keeping his boot on the throat of whoever is in his sights at the moment.
Hello Nero:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The sentiment you expressed explains WHY you don't care much about environmental matters.. You don't think they amount too much...
Me?? I think they could wipe us out. Really. They could END it for us. How is it that you don't grasp that? Do you understand the term EXTINCTION??
excon or chicken little
Take your pick
Chicken (or would you rather me call you little?),Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I called it bad, sad and ugly, that wasn't good enough? One of the differences between you and I is I have faith in nature’s ability to recover, which come to think of it, should be something all you evolutionists should have as well. The earth will recover.
I much more fear nukes in the hands of radical Islamic dictators bent on establishing a global caliphate. That, would be a nightmare.
Hello again, Nero:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Oh, I have faith that nature will recover. I don't know why you think that means we will too. I really DON'T think you grasp the notion of extinction...
excon
Extinction is a reality of existence on this planet. It is as natural as evolution.
The latest on human evolution is that all of us have a bit of neanderthal dna in us. But they did not survive and homo sapiens did . I am not positive about this, but I doubt that there is much difference in extinction events today than in the past.
Are humans a plague on the planet ? Some humans thinks so. Theyhave created an organization called " Voluntary Human Extinction Movement" (VHEMT) .The best thing about them is that they tend to discontinue their own lineage first .
I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was the catalyst for human extinction, my mistake.
Hello again, Steve:
An environmental calamity WAS the catalyst for ALL the extinctions we know about. How do you not know that?
Like I said. I don't think you get the concept of extinction. The dinosaurs didn't either. But, we're supposed to be smarter than them. Guess not.
excon
As I understand it, scientists are leaning toward the Chicxulub event as the reason for that mass extinction. The second theory is the Deccan traps as the catalyst, and the third is the dinosaurs just weren't tough enough to adapt to changing conditions.
Which of these is similar to the Gulf spill?
You need to amend that to mass extinction. Individual species have gone down for a number of reasons.Quote:
An environmental calamity WAS the catalyst for ALL the extinctions we know about.
Flashback 2005:
https://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=20320Quote:
BATON ROUGE, La. -- The U.S. Department of Homeland Security's Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness are coordinating with other federal, state and local agencies to clean up and reduce the environmental impact of the oil spills in Louisiana. Just two months after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita spilled more than nine million gallons of oil, the oil recovery effort is now 95 percent complete according to the Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ).
The U.S. Coast Guard (USCG) has led the oil recovery effort. To date they have recovered 3,888,808 gallons of oil. More than four million gallons of oil has either evaporated or dissipated naturally. Additionally, 403,578 gallons of oil, or five percent of the total oil spilled, remains to be removed. The USCG has nearly completed waterway oil recovery and is working closely with the Louisiana DEQ to complete the recovery.
While the overall environmental impact of the oil spills remains unknown, Environmental Protection Agency and Louisiana DEQ have damage assessment teams throughout the area evaluating the impact of the spill.
With more than nine million gallons of oil spilled in Louisiana, this disaster approaches the magnitude of the Exxon Valdez oil spill in 1992, when an oil tanker ran aground in Alaska, releasing approximately 11 million gallons of oil.
Yeah, and if we protect many more Delta Smelts from extinction it just might be us that suffers that fate. But then this is about the fifth time I've raised this issue and Chicken little doesn't seem to think it's a problem if we turn central California into a dust bowl while keeping all those illegals out of those jobs we Americans won't do.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello again, Nero:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
There are environmentalists who are nuts, and there are environmentalists who aren't. It takes wisdom to know the difference. Yours appears lacking.
Since we're counting, for the fifth time, what makes you think that WE are immune from extinction? If, like all the other MASS extinctions we know about, an environmental disaster CAUSED it, what about THIS environmental disaster makes you sleep well at night? You don't think losing our fisheries might do it??
So, what is it, Nero? Do you think it'll BE solved shortly?? What, in your primitive right wing brain, would give you THAT idea? Or if it isn't solved shortly, do you, like Rush Limprod and that idiot Brit Hume, think that the oceans can absorb this oil, and it ain't nothing to get my liberal pants into a bunch about?? Is THAT what you think?? Just like the trash we throw into the air can be absorbed?? Really?? Dude!
excon
Chicken Little, you can keep chasing this rabbit all you want, but after all the stuff I've personally gone through this year, this certainly doesn't keep me up at night and I'm OK with letting you chase it on your own.
I wonder where all the dead fish and other marine life is going to wash ashore?
I saw a heartbreaking clip on last night's news of an island full of cranes that had gotten covered with oil while diving for fish, were hopping around trying to fly, but couldn't, were weighted down by the oil. Multiply that by a million more stories and you might begin to get an idea of what this disaster has done, is doing, will continue to do.
That is so sad! I can remember when I was a child there was a big oil spill at a refinery, I think in Oregon OH, maybe Toledo. I remember my dad bringing home ducks covered in oil and we washed them as good as we could. I don't remember what happened to them after that.
Actually, speechless.. I don't rely on Obly for anything. I just thought what he stated was kind of interesting.
Honestly, I would take a hit in the high gas prices to have this fixed. What needs to happen for humans to realize that we are killing the Earth? Does every animal have to be stuffed in a museum or locked away in a zoo? Is that really what human kind wants to do to Earths creatures?
Not only are we killing the wildlife, but we're also wrecking Ma & Pa fishery businesses, the coastline, peoples boats, vacation money that is collected throughout the summer by travelers. The entire coast industry is threatened. But hey, WE HAVE GAS!!
I see very few BP gas stations in my area. I'm not sure if this is a very popular company in the US. This company should be raked over the coals. News media scolding them and Obama thinking about how to fix it is just not working.
This is not right. You can lecture me all you want about what the economy needs... this is still not right. I, for one, do not care if gas prices go up. In fact, if gas prices need to go up so that BP can focus on saving the ocean, so be it. Itd be money well spent in my mind.
This just isn't right. I just don't care about what the economy needs. Maybe the economy needs to think about what is right instead of what benefits them. You know darn well the only reason BP executives are upset about this issue is because they're losing billions of dollars worth of oil to the sea. They could care less about the coral reefs that take YEARS to grow, the whales that swim that way to breed and have their babies, the colorful fish that call that place home... They don't care about that. That's useless to them. So are the worker on the oil rigs...
I think humans should go back to being hunter/gatherers and live in home made grass and mud yurts.
We still are, but we pay illegal immigrants cash to gather our farm crops, and instead of going out and hunting, we put the animals in inhumane conditions and then slaughter them after we've fattened them up with chemicals.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
They were made of branches covered with animal skins. Yurts are in Mongolia.Quote:
and live in home made grass and mud yurts.
Except when we're cutting the water supply off from the most productive areas of the country and turning them into dust bowls to save the smelt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Even the yurt has been modernized and manufactured in Oregon for decades.Quote:
They were made of branches covered with animal skins. Yurts are in Mongolia.
The point is that everything is the economy. I consider this the unintended consequences of denying coastal and inland drilling . Like it or not ,our economy is fueled by oil .
Like that is a solution to anything, such a lifestyle is possible for few million people but not billions, you would quickly have the "mongol" hordes raoming the Earth. Tom we don't need trogladite solutions hereQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
doh !!!.... forgot to activate the sarcasm font!!!.
Yes I suppose you did, I had my sarcasm detector turned off too but don't worry, even though this affects many people in the Gulf, it only affects a very small proportion of the world's population so it really is a small scale disaster and needs to be seen for what it really is, an inconvenienceQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The top kill appears to have succeeded . But it's not in the clear yet .
'Top kill' effort succeeds in blocking oil leak, Coast Guard admiral says - latimes.com
There is still some pressure coming out of the well ;and that has to be reduced to zero before they attempt to put a cement cap on the well.
This top kill method was the same one used last year to plug a leak in the Timor Sea . The West Atlas rig had spilled 100s of thousand gallons for a 3-4 month period before the top kill attempt was made there also.
My guess would be that future SOP would say that should be the 1st attempt made in these situations.
Just like the difference between recession and depression...Quote:
even though this affects many people in the Gulf, it only affects a very small proportion of the world's population so it really is a small scale disaster and needs to be seen for what it really is, an inconvenience
Recession is when your neighbor looses a job. Depression is when you do.
So, Obama's "just plug the damn hole" solution seems to be working, and tomorrow he can show up in LA and take credit for being so smart and on top of things.
He apparently threw his head of MMS under the bus as the sacrificial lamb. So far, so good at least. I've been watching a bit of the live feed and see no signs of the gusher that was there.
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