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  • Apr 16, 2010, 05:24 PM
    earl237
    Catholic Church Forgives Beatles!
    Better late than never, it only took about 40 years. Ringo Starr said he doesn't care. They took over 300 years to forgive Galileo, so I guess this is fast for them. Maybe in another 30 years they'll forgive the Rolling Stones. Hopefully they will never forgive rap!
  • Apr 16, 2010, 07:30 PM
    paraclete
    What a load of... who cares?. did the Beatles even repent?
  • Apr 16, 2010, 07:43 PM
    Fr_Chuck

    I guess I can start playig "yellow submarine" for communion now
  • Apr 16, 2010, 07:56 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck View Post
    I guess I can start playig "yellow submarine" for communion now

    No Chuck yellow submarines are a Mormon thing but "Eleanor Rigby," might be apt
  • Apr 16, 2010, 07:56 PM
    tomder55

    Ringo said ;
    "I think the Vatican, they've got more to talk about than the Beatles."

    Your right Ringo ;and you have more to concern yourself with than the comment of a Catholic cleric . So shut up and sing.
  • Apr 16, 2010, 08:07 PM
    Fr_Chuck

    Was Ringo or any of them Catholic ?

    Of course I already have requests for "Lucy in the Sky with Diamods" for the funerals
  • Apr 16, 2010, 08:53 PM
    Kitkat22

    It's not up to the Catholic Church to forgive anybody... God does that if they ask!
  • Apr 16, 2010, 09:41 PM
    hheath541
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    No Chuck yellow submarines are a Mormon thing but "Eleanor Rigby," might be apt

    Yellow submarine is mormon? Cool. I like that song, and have nothing against the mormons.

    What, exactly, is the catholic church forgiving the beatles FOR? I wasn't aware they had anything to do with each other.

    I guess, in the grand timeline of the catholic church, 40 years is nothing. They DID just admit the earth is round in the 60's. I guess it took seeing it from space to hammer the point home.
  • Apr 16, 2010, 09:52 PM
    Kitkat22
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hheath541 View Post
    yellow submarine is mormon? cool. i like that song, and have nothing against the mormons.

    what, exactly, is the catholic church forgiving the beatles FOR? i wasn't aware they had anything to do with each other.

    i guess, in the grand timeline of the catholic church, 40 years is nothing. they DID just admit the earth is round in the 60's. i guess it took seeing it from space to hammer the point home.




    I'm sure the world breathed a collective sigh of relief knowing the Catholic Church has forgiven The Beatles... Yippee... I know I'll sleep better.. :rolleyes:
  • Apr 16, 2010, 10:29 PM
    hheath541

    I didn't know they were mad at each other.
  • Apr 17, 2010, 01:03 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck View Post
    Was Ringo or any of them Catholic ?

    Of course I already have requests for "Lucy in the Sky with Diamods" for the funerals

    Burying druggies now Chuck?
  • Apr 17, 2010, 03:22 AM
    tomder55

    Quote:

    Pope Benedict XVI sanctioned an article in the Vatican's L'Osservatore Romano newspaper earlier this week, in which the Beatles were praised for their "beautiful" music and were absolved for their rock star decadence and experiments with drugs.
    SFGate: Daily Dish : Ringo Starr rejects Vatican's Beatles forgiveness

    Last year I attended a Ringo Star concert at Radio City Music Hall. He annually tours with an "All Star Band" .It was a fun night. My wife and daughter have been to this twice before and are going to this year's concert also. We love the Beatles music . I think they are
    2nd best next to Elvis in the history of Rock and Role . I had all their albums and my daughter has every Beatle song she can find downloaded on her iPod.

    It was simply a gesture on the part of the church .If Ringo is going to be a jerk about it then so be it.

    Shut up and sing.
  • Apr 17, 2010, 03:29 AM
    hheath541

    Reading that, I don't think he was being a jerk.

    Were any of the beatles even catholic? If not, then what right does the catholic church have to pass judgment on them one way or the other. Even if one of them were catholic, they would only have the right to judge that member, within the confines of their religious beliefs and system.

    No church, or organization, has the right to pass judgment on non-members. It's simply not realistic, or fair, to expect someone to live by rules and beliefs they don't believe in.
  • Apr 17, 2010, 03:45 AM
    tomder55

    The church made those comments about the Beatles in the 60s reacting to comments John Lennon had made about the Beatles being more popular than God.

    They now are attempting a gesture of rapprochement. Take it or leave it.
  • Apr 17, 2010, 06:53 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    The church made those comments about the Beatles in the 60s reacting to comments John Lennon had made about the Beatles being more popular than God.

    They now are attempting a gesture of rapprochement. Take it or leave it.

    You make those sorts of comments you get an answer, where may I ask is Lennon now? God remains on top of the popularity pole and Lennon is nowhere to be seen
  • Apr 17, 2010, 11:09 AM
    Kitkat22
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    You make those sorts of comments you get an answer, where may I ask is Lennon now? God remains on top of the popularity pole and Lennon is nowhere to be seen

    Nobody knew John Lennons' heart. Only God does.. He is a just God.
    Look at some of your well respected, and I use the term lightly, so called Ministers like Pat Robertson... Saying The song "Imagine" was sacrilegious and it should have been banned... IT WAS A SONG.. John sang the song from the point of view of just that, to make a point of how the world would be. I don't agree with the statement they were more popular than Jesus Christ... He' the only King.

    By my understanding and I know some of you will use your big words and your usual religious rhetoric to answer this if you even look at it.
    John Lennon apparently believed in Heaven and Hell or why in the world would he write "Imagine there's no heaven'... he surely believed there was or he wouldn't have written the song. Whether he was a child of God
    I don't know and neither do you.

    It's not up to the Catholic Church, Pat Robertson or any one else to say where John Lennon is. He's dead... but he is in the hands of a just God.
    Whether he was saved or had SALVATION is not up to any of us to decide. It's not the Baptist, The Mormon, The Lutheran, The Pope or the Catholic Church etc. who can forgive or judge anyone. They need to clean out their own backyard before cleaning some else's
  • Apr 17, 2010, 12:10 PM
    tomder55

    Like I said ;it was more a gesture of rapprochement and not a declaration of God's judgement.

    I happen to believe that Lennon did more good than bad for this world and is justly rewarded.

    He certainly has enriched my life .
  • Apr 17, 2010, 12:17 PM
    Kitkat22
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    like I said ;it was more a gesture of rapprochement and not a declaration of God's judgement.

    I happen to believe that Lennon did more good than bad for this world and is justly rewarded.

    He certainly has enriched my life .

    I loved the Beatles... I didn't agree with their remark about Jesus Christ.
    Never got to see them in concert... "In My Life"... beautiful song.. Bless you:)
  • Apr 17, 2010, 01:51 PM
    JoeCanada76
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Kitkat22 View Post
    It's not up to the Catholic Church to forgive anybody...God does that if they ask!

    Exactly right. Took the words exactly out of my mouth.

    Too be honest, Beatles are my favorite group of all time and I honestly do not think that they need any forgiven...

    Why would they need it?

    There was lots of controversy over nothing. Catholic church, does not have the authority to forgive anyone...

    My God, please help the Catholic Church find the real truth... Not what they think the truth is.
  • Apr 17, 2010, 02:38 PM
    Kitkat22
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jesushelper1976 View Post
    Exactly right. Took the words exactly out of my mouth.

    Too be honest, Beatles are my favorite group of all time and I honestly do not think that they need any forgiven...

    Why would they need it?

    There was lots of controversy over nothing. Catholic church, does not have the authority to forgive anyone...

    My God, please help the Catholic Church find the real truth... Not what they think the truth is.




    Perfect agreement Joe... God is the only one, anyone of us have to answer too. There is no mortal man on God's Green Earth who has the power to forgive my sins and save my soul. The one who did that died on a cross over two-thousand years ago.:)
  • Apr 17, 2010, 02:44 PM
    Synnen
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    You make those sorts of comments you get an answer, where may I ask is Lennon now? God remains on top of the popularity pole and Lennon is nowhere to be seen

    Depends on where you're standing.

    I'd rather have John Lennon in my house than the Pope any day.
  • Apr 17, 2010, 02:46 PM
    Kitkat22
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Synnen View Post
    Depends on where you're standing.

    I'd rather have John Lennon in my house than the Pope any day.

    Synnen, What can I say? Me Too!
  • Apr 17, 2010, 03:10 PM
    Fr_Chuck
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    The church made those comments about the Beatles in the 60s reacting to comments John Lennon had made about the Beatles being more popular than God.

    They now are attempting a gesture of rapprochement. Take it or leave it.


    Or of course when you played the music backwards you could hear the devil talking.
    Heck eough drugs in the 60's you could hear see the music
  • Apr 17, 2010, 03:29 PM
    Kitkat22

    Wondering how people could react to something said by a band so vehemently. People knew the remark they made wasn't true.

    Like all the remarks made by Pat Robertson, about Elvis Presley being in Hell.. He said it with that condescending phony smile of his.

    I say a man who runs for President and says he's a minister of God... is either fooling himself or lying.
  • Apr 17, 2010, 04:05 PM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Synnen View Post
    Depends on where you're standing.

    I'd rather have John Lennon in my house than the Pope any day.

    Wait, who is that skeleton then?
  • Apr 17, 2010, 04:09 PM
    Kitkat22
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Catsmine View Post
    Wait, who is that skeleton then?





    Good one Cats:)
  • Apr 17, 2010, 04:10 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Synnen View Post
    Depends on where you're standing.

    I'd rather have John Lennon in my house than the Pope any day.

    The pope isn't God, but the Holy Spirit is far more enjoyable than Lennon
  • Apr 17, 2010, 05:16 PM
    Kitkat22
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    The pope isn't God, but the Holy Spirit is far more enjoyable than Lennon

    I agree fully. It's the Holy Spirit who lives in us if we are saved. But I do like John Lennon.:)
  • Apr 17, 2010, 05:18 PM
    hheath541
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    The pope isn't God, but the Holy Spirit is far more enjoyable than Lennon

    The christian god has no place in my home. Neither does the christian devil.

    The beatles, however, have several places in my music playlist. I even have one of their records, even if it is rather scratched.
  • Apr 17, 2010, 05:33 PM
    Kitkat22
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hheath541 View Post
    the christian god has no place in my home. neither does the christian devil.

    the beatles, however, have several places in my music playlist. i even have one of their records, even if it is rather scratched.





    Different strokes for different folks. America land of the free. You have the right to your opinion, just as I do.
  • Apr 17, 2010, 05:40 PM
    hheath541

    Exactly. I just want to know how a current events topic got turned into a religious debate. So, I decided to derail it a bit.
  • Apr 17, 2010, 05:58 PM
    Kitkat22
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hheath541 View Post
    exactly. i just want to know how a current events topic got turned into a religious debate. so, i decided to derail it a bit.



    It did didn't it? I always said I wouldn't argue politics or religion and I have broken my own rule. I guess the audacity of the Catholic Church
    "forgiving" anybody just irked me. Anyway hope the kitties are good and Edith.

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