Hello terrorists:
Since you now have to remain seated during the last half of your flight, blow up the plane on the FIRST half...
excon
PS> Did I mention the stupid government?
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Hello terrorists:
Since you now have to remain seated during the last half of your flight, blow up the plane on the FIRST half...
excon
PS> Did I mention the stupid government?
I'm stocking up on Depends for that last half.
Hello NK:
The stupid government says there are 500,000 people on the list this terrorist was on, so how can they possibly keep track of them??
Walmart has over 500,000 items it carries in its stores, and it knows where every one of them is. You're a computer guy. It IS possible for the stupid government to KNOW when one of the 500,000 is getting on a plane...
Otherwise, why would there even BE this list?
excon
Walmart does it with RFIDs and barcodes. Since you have to buy tickets before boarding then show ID I assume that they run the names against the database... if you use your real name.
The bigger question is why do people want to blow up americans?
Hello again, NK:Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Or, if the stupid government spent some of its billions on facial recognition technology that Walmart uses to keep CROOKS out of their stores, they could keep terrorists OFF airplanes, even if they used a fake name.
But, they don't want to just blow us up. They love bombing their own people too. Two of 'em blew themselves up last night in Pakistan... Frankly, if it wasn't so cold up there, I think they'd want to blow you guys up too.
excon
Not only will passengers have to remain seated during the final hour, they also won't be allowed to have anything in their laps, such as books or magazines... sorta like high school detention .
By the time the rules are revised passengers will be compelled to strip down ;have a full body and cavity search ;will be issued airline supplied jump suits and will be chained to the passenger next to them with ankle bracelets.
Amazingly ;Janet Napolitano said yesterday that the security system worked. Did she mean it worked because the terrorist was able to smuggle explosives onto a plane ;ignite them ,and a courageous passenger subdued the terrorist before the bomb exploded ?
Did it work because the bomber's father notified the US State Dept that his son was a threat and they acted accordingly ?
Are firewalls again in place to prevent intelligence to be shared inter-agency ? That worked so well pre 9-11.
This is how they will prevent further terrorist incidents from the skys ;make it so inconvenient for the passengers that they find alternative means of travel .
Then the gvt can bail out and take over the zombie airlines.
I don't think you realize the amount of american tourists that wear canadian flags on their backpacks. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I've been ON that flight.;)
excon
Hello again, NK:Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Oh, yes I am...
Certainly, you're not the target we are. But you're our neighbor, you're white, Christian & capitalistic, you invaded Afghanistan with us, and you fought along side us in Iraq.
I'm not wishing anything bad on you... But, you ain't innocent.
excon
I know. I wish we were more innocent but we are nowhere near as arrogant or imperialistic so that makes us a less sought after target. Plus are country may have christians in it but we view religion as a private matter more so than our southern neighbours.
As I recall a few years ago the Canadian gvt broke up a plot to blow up the Parliament building .
Also Canada has or had such a loose refuge policy that many sleeper cells were established there .
Finally there is reports of recent activity in Canada involving Hezbollah cells to attack Jewish targets in the country .
As much as I love to fly to my destination, driving is sounding more and more appealing. Hey, it'll get us back to enjoying the scenery along the way and save some bucks.
Besides the stupidity of the new rules, I particularly enjoyed the stupidity of one network's coverage. We were stuck in the Great Oklahoma Blizzard of '09 so I turned on the Weather Channel. They reported that the suspect had no ties to Al Qaeda and made no such claims - even though every other network and newspaper said the opposite. Unfortunately I think they did so on purpose, they've become one of the most liberal networks in the country.
Meanwhile, pee early or as NK said, wear some Depends.
Never seems to actually happen though does it? Oh there are a few incidents but not the extent that everyone here is restricted in their movements or is full of fear and hatred. I like it here and I like the people here regardless of their political or religious affiliation (most of the time we know neither since, like I said earlier we view as a personal issue).Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
And since Canada is defunding it's military to an extent that it has impaired military preparedness to an extent that it could not effectively defend itself ;and has reduced its role since the post WWII era to one of irrelevence in International Affairs one has to wonder why anyone would care what Canada thinks.
The good news is that Stephen Harper is trying to reverse this long decline.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I don't think the Swiss would call the conditions you describe a "decline". The imperialists NK talks about would, though.
excon
No defunding, military expenses have been increasing for the past 5 years. There is no need to go overboard when you aren't declaring wars left right and centre.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yes they were willing to make accommodations with the forces of evil in Europe rather than take a stand. In that regard the Swiss were no better than the Vichy government in France ;and in fact much worse.Quote:
I don't think the Swiss would call the conditions you describe a "decline".
Is the Swiss accommodation really your solution ?
The West was getting too politically correct and always worrying about offending Muslims instead of worrying about safety. This was a much needed wake up call and I hope things change.
Yeah, things changed. Napolitano changed her tune from saying “the system worked” to the system "failed miserably."
Her first comment was of course taken out of context, when she said the system worked she meant "moving forward" after the incident and is confident that the "added protective measures" will keep us safe...after implying Bush policies in place since 2006 were at fault.
I guess "added protective measures" means treating us even more like children. "Attention passengers, from this point forward you may have nothing or do nothing but assume the position."
Mark Steyn suggested flight attendants should at least lead us in some camp songs, "If you're happy and you know it clap your hands..."
Mark Steyn is brilliant, I wish more people had his courage to tell the truth. Martin Amis is another one who tells it like it is.
I think I'll set up a Depends vending machines at the major airports.
My biggest problem with the latest "terrotist"... how did this guy actually board an airplane with NO passport, no luggage, etc. This was definitely an inside job already set up ahead of time to perpetrate yet another "fake" airplane bombing. The guy's dad is some Nigerian Banker for cripes sakes. This kid certainly had the money to obtain a passport and didn't. Doesn't that strike you as odd? It sure does me.
As for staying in your seat the final hour of the flight... now that is downright nuts. And also I read that if you spend too much time in the john you will be considered a terrorist. Great. What will they think of next? You can't leave your seat at all? And now they are carrying on that you have to arrive 4 hours early for your flight. At that rate why not just drive your car if you can?
I'm really of the mind that the government is really trying to ban airplane travel period or make it so obnoxious that people will use other forms of transportation and shun air travel.
This is just another way to control the population and the sheeple. Make more and more rules when convenient "terrorist" acts happen.
Yes it seems surreal that they would say that. Why not recruit the services of the credit reporting companies ? They seem to know everything about everyone.Quote:
The stupid government says there are 500,000 people on the list this terrorist was on, so how can they possibly keep track of them??
Simply stated ;if your name shows up on the list a minimum requirement should be El Al style screening .
Another thing that evidently got overlooked was a requirement for Air Marshalls on international flights coming into the US . I am hearing rumors that the Dutch refuse to allow armed Air Marshals on flights to and from their airports. If that's the case air routes from Amsterdam should be suspended until they agree.
The President after days of silence spoke ;and apparently got the wrong message from the attack.
“This incident demonstrates that an alert and courageous citizenry are far more resilient than an isolated extremist. As a nation, we will do everything in our power to protect our country. As Americans, we will never give in to fear or division. We will be guided by our hopes, our unity and our deeply held values. That's who we are as Americans.”
44 - Transcript of Obama remarks on airline security and terror watch lists
(for now I will ignore the irony of praising an alert and courageous citizenry he intends to make forever dependent on the nanny-state... or the fact that the person who subdued the would be bomber was Dutch)
This is not an isolated incident by an isolated extremist .This was an attack on the country by al-Aqaeda in the Arabian Peninsula from it's base of operation in Yemen.
In his address the President contradicted himself by saying “We will not rest until we find all those who were involved and hold them accountable” .
So what is it ,an isolated extremist ,or just one of many who plotted the attack ?
This is the same bologna he used to describe the Fort Hood attack.
Dutch military police currently are investigating a witness's description of an accomplice who helped Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab to board the plane in Amsterdam.
He was in Yemen since August training for the attack .He claims he is just one of many and yesterday AQ took responsibility for the attack.
Mr President please wake up! Your attempt to down play this does not work. These are not the actions of lone wolfs . These are the actions of jihadistan which continues to wage war against us despite your desires for the war to go away. When your enemy tells you they plan on destroying you it is a good plan to take them at their words.
The danger is not in the isolated extremist .It is that there is a political ideology that actively promotes such extremism.
For the life of me I still do not get our 'leaders' downplaying this jihad as acts of isolated extremists. Is being politically correct really that important?
You've got to read WaPo's article on this "lonely" misunderstood jihadist. If he only had a friend perhaps he wouldn't have taken this road. Awww...
Via The Weekly Standard and Politico...
Quote:
Damage Control in 5 Easy Steps!
Politico's Carol E. Lee has an interesting story today on President Obama's "by-now familiar pattern...for dealing with unexpected problems." As best we can figure, the Obama damage control strategy consists of these 5 easy steps:
Step 1: Deny seriousness of issue.
Step 2: Deny any admin responibility/failure.
Step 3: Have spokespeople convey O’s feelings to public.
Step 4: Blame Bush admin.
Step 5: Concede the issue days later.
Of course, it's very important that you understand the signals to know which step we're at. For example, "Obama heading to the golf course, [Cato Institute fellow Benjamin] Friedman said, 'signals that it’s not a crisis, and he’s the president and he has a lot of things to do and this is just one of them.'" Maybe it's when the president goes bowling that you're supposed to find immediate shelter and duck tape the windows.
... as I recall that was one of the opening scenes in 'Farenheit 911' .Quote:
"Obama heading to the golf course, [Cato Institute fellow Benjamin] Friedman said, 'signals that it's not a crisis, and he's the president and he has a lot of things to do and this is just one of them.'"
So much for idea it was an "isolated extremist." The Fort Hood cleric personally blessed the Knickerbomber's mission.
Isn't Walmart an evil, profit making, capitalistic company? Yeah they're the ones, along with all the other profit making, capitalistic pharmacy companies that give the consumer such great deals on generic medications at no cost to the taxpayor, unlike the government's Medicare part D.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
And you want a government run public health option??
G&P
Apparently they should have chosen a domestic flight if that was true. If Jasper Schuringa believed that load of bull excrement [ that these terrorist just want to kill Americans, ] he would not have subdued this terrorist.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
BTW Are those Americans in Darfur? Belsan, Madrid, Bali, London, Mumbai?
G&P
Hello again, in:Quote:
Originally Posted by inthebox
Nahhh, cause I'm an evil, profit seeking capitalist too.
Not that it has much to do with Walmart, but YES. I want a government run public option... I'm on Medicare. It's government run health care and it works just fine.
excon
And is going bankrupt, and threatening a 21% cut in payment to physicians. I wonder how many physicians will see new medicare patients then?
G&P
Ultimately, the head of any company or government is responsible for what happens, good or bad.
Harry Truman had a sign on his desk: "The buck stops here".
The simple truth is that this administration is incompetent, from the president on down.
Will he fire any of his appointees who fouled up?
Not likely. In this case the buck will probably stop on Bush's doorstep.
Clearly there is a break down ;and my point in recent posts has been that perhaps we should change the premise and not assume this is isolated events of lone wolf criminals who leave their caves to blow themselves up.
Flight 253 ,as well as the Fort Hood attack ;and this week's infiltration of a CIA base in Khost show a higher degree of coordination than your typical criminal attack.
The only known effective defense from terror infiltration is counter-terrorism operations i.e.. Taking the fight to the enemy.
By now the President has heard the blame shifting reports by Napolitano and Dennis Blair of NTCT;and presumably Leon Panetta.Politics being his major concern,he no doubt is doing the calculus to see how many mid-level heads need to be thrown under the bus.
I am looking at maybe investing in stock for OSI and L3 Communications ,the companies that make full body scan machines.If I have to show my naked body to civil service workers I should at least be paid for it.
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