You enjoy that nice trip to Asia? Enjoy bowing to the emperor? Enjoy becoming a born again fiscal conservative in China? Did you forget anything? "Iran will begin large-scale air defense war games Sunday aimed at protecting its nuclear facilities from possible attack, a senior military commander said Saturday, reflecting the country's concern that Israel could make good on threats to strike militarily" Iran to Hold War Games to Protect Nuclear Sites - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com

Where are we going this week?

I will give him the benefit of doubt,I hope he's at LEAST whispering in these other leaders ears
"iran,iran iran??"

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i will give him the benefit of doubt,I hope hes at LEAST whispering in these other leaders ears
"iran,iran iran??"

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Proof of the pudding is in the eating, right? With Obama, "Walk softly and whisper lightly, unless criticising your own country."

Allegedly there were talks towards sanctions. Of course all his former deadlines have come and gone. What to do ? What to do ? What do you expect from the equivocator in chief ?

Just like the last anti-military CIC we had, expect a few cruise missles aimed at a baby-food factory and a victory declaration right after it becomes clear that it's too late.

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You enjoy that nice trip to Asia? Enjoy bowing to the emperor? Enjoy becoming a born again fiscal conservative in China? Did you forget anything? "Iran will begin large-scale air defense war games Sunday aimed at protecting its nuclear facilities from possible attack, a senior military commander said Saturday, reflecting the country's concern that Israel could make good on threats to strike militarily" Iran to Hold War Games to Protect Nuclear Sites - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com

Where are we going this week?

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I think we might be recapping on our intention to review the need for more troops in Afghanistan whilst reminding Kahzai that he needs to act on corruption. Wait a minute that was last week, no this week we will stress how strong we are on climate change in the lead up to Copenhagen, like we are for it, right? Iran, where's that again?

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Iran, where's that again?

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Quick we need a poll

"The White House did not even stand up for itself when it came to the question of human rights in China. The president, who had said only a few days earlier that freedom of expression is a universal right, was coerced into attending a joint press conference with Chinese President Hu Jintao, at which questions were forbidden. Former US President George W. Bush had always managed to avoid such press conferences.
US Foreign Policy: Obama's Nice Guy Act Gets Him Nowhere on the World Stage - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Could that be the sound of Asian laughter I am hearing?

The President will get around to Iran and troops for Afghanistan after he resolves his inner conflicts about whether to pardon the Thanksgiving Turkey or not. Word is that he is days to weeks away from that decision.

"The International Atomic Energy Agency probe of Iran's nuclear program is at a dead end because Tehran is not cooperating, the chief of the U.N. nuclear watchdog said Thursday in an unusually blunt expression of frustration four days before he leaves office."
IAEA chief: Iran investigation at 'dead end'

Hello again, George:

I'm sorry to inform you that just because Obama decided to talk to them, they're not going to lay down... Diplomacy and negotiation takes a little time... Especially since we haven't talked to them in 8 years...

What's YOUR solution? Bomb them instead?

excon

How about 17 useless U.N Security Council resolutions of condemnation. Make you feel better?

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Hello again, George:

Yeah... Iran sucks... What would you DO, except make noises?

excon

Oops! "The board of the U.N. nuclear watchdog censured Iran on Friday, with 25 nations backing a resolution that demands Tehran immediately freeze construction of its newly revealed nuclear facility and heed Security Council resolutions calling on it to stop uranium enrichment."

"Iran remained defiant, with its chief representative to the International Atomic Energy Agency declaring that his country would resist "pressure, resolutions, sanction(s) and threat of military attack."
IAEA Votes to Censure Iran for Nuclear Defiance - Iran | Map | News - FOXNews.com

The question is, what is President Dither going to do?

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Diplomacy and negotiation takes a little time... Especially since we haven't talked to them in 8 years...

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Hello again, George:

What HE said.

excon

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Yo, Mr. Whitebread, George:

Third time I'm asking here... Are you going to tell me what you wingers propose to do, or is this just more of that NO to whatever Obama wants crap you guys been doing?

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Yo, Mr. Whitebread, George:

Third time I'm asking here... Are you gonna tell me what you wingers propose to do, or is this just more of that NO to whatever Obama wants crap you guys been doing?

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Let's see: this being The Season, you know - don't want to say it and offend anyone - but Obama could send three men from the West to the East: John Kerry, Rev. J. Wright, and Rev. Jesse Jackson; and we could call them the Three Wise Men. And the delegation could be led by our shepherd, Lady Hillary Clinton, the smartest woman in the world (she still has that title, right?). They could ride into Tehran, blindfolded of course; and go into the mosque and bow and kneel appropriately to the national government. At which time Hillary can proclaim full constitutional rights to all Iranians as set forth by the law of the US and the UN; and declare our two nations at peace; denounce Israel, and we live happily ever after.

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Let's see: this being The Season, you know - don't want to say it and offend anyone - but Obama could send three men from the West to the East: John Kerry, Rev. J. Wright, and Rev. Jesse Jackson; and we could call them the Three Wise Men. And the delegation could be led by our shepherd, Lady Hillary Clinton, the smartest woman in the world (she still has that title, right?). They could ride into Tehran, blindfolded of course; and go into the mosque and bow and kneel appropriately to the national government. At which time Hillary can proclaim full constitutional rights to all Iranians as set forth by the law of the US and the UN; and declare our two nations at peace; denounce Israel, and we live happily ever after.

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George you really don't have it, do you? Obama is manifestation of Satan just like George Bush was and no bowing in the Mosque will convince the Iranians of your goodwill towards them

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Hello again, George:

Yo, Dude! I figured... Just more NO from the white guys...

excon

Yo, again, Mr. White bread:

Yesterday, the United Nations nuclear watchdog agency demanded that Iran immediately freeze operations at a once secret uranium enrichment plant, a sharp rebuke that bore added weight because it was endorsed by Russia and China.

Administration officials held up the statement as a victory for President Obama’s diplomatic efforts to coax both Russia and China to increase the pressure on Iran.

If you want to take you head out of the sand to read further, go here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/28/wo..._r=1&th&emc=th.

But, you won't.

excon

You guys can have this thread. A very good friend of mine, whom I owed my life to, was an Embassy guard in '79 when Khomeni's followers beat him to death with clubs for trying to keep them out with an unloaded weapon. My views on Persia crystallized when I heard about it.

You really don't need to hear my opinions on this topic. Have fun.

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You guys can have this thread. A very good friend of mine, whom I owed my life to, was an Embassy guard in '79 when Khomeni's followers beat him to death with clubs for trying to keep them out with an unloaded weapon. My views on Persia crystallized when I heard about it. You really don't need to hear my opinions on this topic.

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Hello again, Cats:

Please don't buy into the mistaken belief of thinking that because I want to engage them, that I think any more of them than you do. I'm a Jew, for crying out loud. The Iranian bastards are threatening MY family directly. So, don't go thinking you're the only victim here.

Yes, I DO want to hear your opinions on this topic. Like I asked George, what do you want YOUR COUNTRY to do. Notice, that I'm NOT asking what YOU want to do.

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Yes, I DO want to hear your opinions on this topic. Like I asked George, what do you want YOUR COUNTRY to do. Notice, that I'm NOT asking what YOU want to do.

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The same thing I wanted my country to do when I was sitting on the tarmac trying to sneak aboard with the battalion ready response team.

NUKE THEM TIL THEY GLOW AND SHOOT THEM IN THE DARK

I want to kill them and kill them and kill them and keep on killing them until, in the words of the poet, God cries out in horror and the sun bleeds.

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The same thing I wanted my country to do when I was sitting on the tarmac trying to sneak aboard with the battalion ready response team.

NUKE THEM TIL THEY GLOW AND SHOOT THEM IN THE DARK

I want to kill them and kill them and kill them and keep on killing them until, in the words of the poet, God cries out in horror and the sun bleeds.

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This would be AFTER excon read them their constitutional rights, correct?

Hello again,

MY knee jerks that way as well.

But, considering the Iranian civilians, who number 72 million, and considering that more than two-thirds of them (47 million) are under the age of 30, who have NO memory of the hostage takeover, I'd hold back...

Being a Jew, I'm loathe to inflict a holocaust upon them.

You, not so much.

excon

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Hello again,

MY knee jerks that way as well.

But, considering the Iranian civilians, who number 72 million, and considering that more than two-thirds of them (47 million) are under the age of 30, who have NO memory of the hostage takeover, I'd hold back...

Being a Jew, I'm loathe to inflict a holocaust upon them.

You, not so much.

excon

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I had a hope that I could let go of this anger after their "election," but alas the totalitarian heretics hiding behind a religious mask kept control of the country.

Nobody asked me what I would want my country to do, nevertheless - - - .

First, I would get out of Israel's way and let them do what they have to do to survive. I would let them know that we would support them, at least politically, whatever they did to stop the Iranian nuclear progress.

The very threat of that made public just might bring enough pressure on Iran.

I think that might come under the heading of diplomacy.

"A conservative Iranian legislator warned Saturday that his country may pull out of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty after a U.N. resolution censuring Tehran — a move that could seriously undermine world attempts to prevent Iran from developing atomic weapons." Iranian lawmaker: Iran could leave nuclear treaty - Yahoo! News

The solution to this problem is simple: Fire one shot across the Iranian bow, then deliver an ultimatum - open everything for inspection, or else.

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Gunboat diplomacy hasnever solved anything

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It ended WWII, amigo. Although, President Dither probably thinks it was a racist outcome.

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It ended WWII, amigo. Although, President Dither probably thinks it was a racist outcome.

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I think you confuse war with diplomacy. War begins when diplomacy ceases.

You confuse 'gunboat diplomacy' with getting results and saving lives. You could argue that Bush 43 used 'gunboat' diplomacy; I'm not nearly as sweet. And those in Iran who hunger for freedom would be grateful.

Yes ;the IAEA has been so effective to this point in stopping the Iranian nuclear efforts that of course we should rely on them to continue to be the point of pressure.

Let me ask ;why was there a secret site that the IAEA either did not know about ;or more likely covered up ? They are supposedly the watchdogs .

The Iranian response ? They threatened to pull out of the NPT. Then what ? What type of international efforts do you see happening then ? Will Russia suddenly stop selling them gasoline and weapons ? What makes anyone think they would ?

Also I think China has gone as far as they will in applying pressure . I think they believe their access to Iranian oil a more pressing domestic priority.

From an American perspective I have to wonder what the President promised China in return for their support for this largely symbolic gesture .

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Also I think China has gone as far as they will in applying pressure . I think they believe their access to Iranian oil a more pressing domestic priority.

From an American perspective I have to wonder what the President promised China in return for their support for this largely symbolic gesture .

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The Chinese are willing participants in propping up Nobel winner, President Dither, as he wistfully tarries down PC Lane in pre 9/11 mentality.

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Hello again, George:

Dude. I have never seen anybody this the pres THAT many times with so few words. That's got to be a record... You managed to say he's propped up by our antagonists, he dithers, he's politically correct, and he's a terrorist sympathizer.

If what you REALLY want to do here is this Obama, promote the nuking of Iran, and NOT discuss anything, then why don't you just be out front about it?

Of course, maybe, like Sarah Palin, there ain't nothing there except Republican talking points.

excon

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Hello again, George:

Dude. I have never seen anybody dis the pres THAT many times with so few words...

excon

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You know, excon, you are an inspiration to many. However, I don't read, use, or need GOP talking points, ever. Let me know if you ever get a whif of plagiarism.

Napoleon said something like, "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." President Dither has become China's useful idiot. If that offends you, I am sorry. But the rain is wet and grass is, most often, green. China is growing itself into an industrial and military power while sucking the life-blood out of the USA; why would the Chinese discourage that? "China is the largest emitter of greenhouse gases and has not set a cap on its emissions, believing it needs to continue to expand its economy and lift millions out of poverty." Further, "The Wall Street Journal reports that China is very serious about a global agreement on emissions reductions — very serious — especially that part about receiving technology and financing from the developed world."
China’s Pre-Copenhagen Panhandling - Edward John Craig - Planet Gore on National Review Online

Meanwhile, "The Iranian government approved a plan Sunday to build 10 new uranium enrichment facilities, a dramatic expansion in defiance of U.N. demands it halt the program.

"The decision comes only two days after the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency censured Iran, demanding it immediately stop building a newly revealed enrichment facility near the holy city of Qom and freeze all uranium enrichment activities." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091129/...l_iran_nuclear

Golf, anyone?

Since (not if) diplomatic efforts have failed, the next step might well be a naval blockade of Iran, and at the same time do whatever possible to stop international commerce with Iran. Maybe something financial?

Humanitarian aid might be excepted if it could be determined that Iran was not tradiing food for weapons.

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Hello again, gal:

I didn't notice that they failed. You don't really expect them to roll over just because we started talking to them, do you? It takes a little time...

Besides, the Israelis won't let them get a nuke. George thinks that we're somehow stopping them from going in. I don't think that's so at all. Therefore, we could play good cop, bad cop with the Iranians, and we could walk away clean if and when Israel attacks.

excon