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  • Nov 20, 2009, 06:03 AM
    excon
    Psalm 109
    Hello Righty's:

    I see that you have embraced the following as your watchword... Here it is in its entirety.

    -------------------------

    Psalm 109

    1 O God, whom I praise,
    do not remain silent,

    2 for wicked and deceitful men
    have opened their mouths against me;
    they have spoken against me with lying tongues.

    3 With words of hatred they surround me;
    they attack me without cause.

    4 In return for my friendship they accuse me,
    but I am a man of prayer.

    5 They repay me evil for good,
    and hatred for my friendship.

    6 Appoint an evil man to oppose him;
    let an accuser stand at his right hand.

    7 When he is tried, let him be found guilty,
    and may his prayers condemn him.

    8 May his days be few;
    may another take his place of leadership.

    9 May his children be fatherless
    and his wife a widow.

    10 May his children be wandering beggars;
    may they be driven [d] from their ruined homes.

    11 May a creditor seize all he has;
    may strangers plunder the fruits of his labor.

    12 May no one extend kindness to him
    or take pity on his fatherless children.

    13 May his descendants be cut off,
    their names blotted out from the next generation.

    14 May the iniquity of his fathers be remembered before the LORD;
    may the sin of his mother never be blotted out.

    15 May their sins always remain before the LORD,
    that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.

    16 For he never thought of doing a kindness,
    but hounded to death the poor
    and the needy and the brokenhearted.

    17 He loved to pronounce a curse—
    may it [e] come on him;
    he found no pleasure in blessing—
    may it be [f] far from him.

    18 He wore cursing as his garment;
    it entered into his body like water,
    into his bones like oil.

    19 May it be like a cloak wrapped about him,
    like a belt tied forever around him.

    20 May this be the LORD's payment to my accusers,
    to those who speak evil of me.

    21 But you, O Sovereign LORD,
    deal well with me for your name's sake;
    out of the goodness of your love, deliver me.

    22 For I am poor and needy,
    and my heart is wounded within me.

    23 I fade away like an evening shadow;
    I am shaken off like a locust.

    24 My knees give way from fasting;
    my body is thin and gaunt.

    25 I am an object of scorn to my accusers;
    when they see me, they shake their heads.

    26 Help me, O LORD my God;
    save me in accordance with your love.

    27 Let them know that it is your hand,
    that you, O LORD, have done it.

    28 They may curse, but you will bless;
    when they attack they will be put to shame,
    but your servant will rejoice.

    29 My accusers will be clothed with disgrace
    and wrapped in shame as in a cloak.

    30 With my mouth I will greatly extol the LORD;
    in the great throng I will praise him.

    31 For he stands at the right hand of the needy one,
    to save his life from those who condemn him.

    ------------------

    I don't ordinarily post religious garbage, but I thought the world ought to know what your favored psalm REALLY says...

    You ought to be ashamed - but you're not.

    excon
  • Nov 20, 2009, 06:04 AM
    tomder55
    You know I'm not a Biblical literalist .
  • Nov 20, 2009, 06:12 AM
    speechlesstx

    Come on ex, it was funny. What happened to your sense of humor?
  • Nov 20, 2009, 06:24 AM
    excon

    Hello again, Steve:

    9 May his children be fatherless
    And his wife a widow.

    You'll forgive me if I don't find the humor. Are you folks that dense? Do you not see the danger is this?

    Yes, you really are that dense. OR, you want someone to take a potshot at Obama...

    It's ONE of the above.

    excon
  • Nov 20, 2009, 06:28 AM
    tomder55

    Ex I only quoted 8

    Rest assured when I quote Judges 15:16 I'm not really threatening to beat you to death with the jawbone of an a$$ .
  • Nov 20, 2009, 06:29 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Ex I only quoted 8

    Hello again, tom:

    Context matters.

    excon
  • Nov 20, 2009, 06:46 AM
    NeedKarma
    Is this thread related to this?
    Former evangelist: Religious right is 'trawling for assassins' | Raw Story
  • Nov 20, 2009, 06:53 AM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Ex I only quoted 8

    Rest assured when I quote Judges 15:16 I'm not really threatening to beat you to death with the jawbone of an a$$ .

    Is it actually possible to beat excon to death with his own jawbone?
  • Nov 20, 2009, 06:54 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    Is it actually possible to beat excon to death with his own jawbone?

    What's with the nasty insults?
  • Nov 20, 2009, 07:10 AM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    What's with the nasty insults?

    What? Calling him an @ss?

    This entire thread is assinine. If the shoe fits...

    Elliot
  • Nov 20, 2009, 07:24 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    This entire thread is assinine.

    Hello Elliot:

    I knew that I'd be posting over your head with this one, Elliot. Maybe you'll be able to follow my next one...

    excon
  • Nov 20, 2009, 08:01 AM
    ETWolverine

    You're posting biblical references, and you think they're over MY head?

    Who is it you think you're talking to? A biblical illiterate like NK?

    Elliot
  • Nov 20, 2009, 08:06 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    Who is it you think you're talking to? A biblical illiterate like NK?

    Elliot

    More insults. You having a bad day?
  • Nov 20, 2009, 08:09 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    You're posting biblical references, and you think they're over MY head?

    Hello again, Elliot:

    What's over your head, isn't the biblical reference. It's the political CONTEXT that the biblical reference refers to.

    You don't understand that at all... Or you do, and you'd like to see someone take Obama out. It's ONE or the OTHER.

    excon
  • Nov 20, 2009, 08:18 AM
    tomder55

    When the lefty's made movies about the murder of Bush we were told "aint no big thang" . My reference is about the size of a bumper sticker ,and taken without the literal context and translation is just an amusing political statement . Nothing more or less.
    Are you calling Secret Service to investigate ?
  • Nov 20, 2009, 08:19 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post

    Schaeffer is an idiot and this is all as Elliot put it, 'assinine.' Getting all worked up over a harmless bumper sticker that is actually. I didn't notice anyone getting all worked up over the slogans used during the Bush years...

    http://images5.cafepress.com/product...x150_Front.jpg
    http://images0.cafepress.com/product...olor-White.jpg
    http://images6.cafepress.com/product...x240_Front.jpg
    http://images4.cafepress.com/product...x240_Front.jpg
    http://images3.cafepress.com/product...x240_Front.jpg
    http://images7.cafepress.com/product...x240_Front.jpg

    And that's the mild stuff. Here's the rest.

    Pardon me if I'm not moved by the outrage over Psalm 109:8
  • Nov 20, 2009, 08:21 AM
    zippit

    Your using the wrong book for your argument it should be the koran.
    More violence against the infedels <sp.check
  • Nov 20, 2009, 08:25 AM
    NeedKarma
    Well those don't seem to be advocating the Christians to assassinate Bush.
    And the Christian Science Monitor is reporting it as well as that guy:
    Biblical anti-Obama slogan: Use of Psalm 109:8 funny or sinister? | csmonitor.com
  • Nov 20, 2009, 08:25 AM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Elliot:

    What's over your head, isn't the biblical reference. It's the political CONTEXT that the biblical reference refers to.

    You don't understand that at all... Or you do, and you'd like to see someone take Obama out. It's ONE or the OTHER.

    excon

    So... you equate the sentence "May his days be few, may another take his place of leadership" as a call for assassination?

    It couldn't be a call to vote the guy out of office after ONE term instead of two, could it? That interpretation wouldn't help your anti-conservative screed very well, would it?

    Elliot
  • Nov 20, 2009, 08:28 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    So... you equate the sentence "May his days be few, may another take his place of leadership" as a call for assasination?

    It couldn't be a call to vote the guy out of office after ONE term instead of two, could it? That interpretation wouldn't help your anti-conservative screed very well, would it?

    Elliot

    But the verse immediately following the psalm referenced is a bit more ominous: “Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.”

    God, do I have to teach you everything about bible verses??
  • Nov 20, 2009, 08:31 AM
    tomder55

    Except I was very clear about which part of the psalm I quoted. Excon can spare me his mock outrage . I saw the same CSM article before I posted it. It is nonsense .
  • Nov 20, 2009, 08:34 AM
    zippit
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello Righty's:



    I don't ordinarily post religious garbage,
    .

    excon

    Very Disrespectful.:mad:
  • Nov 20, 2009, 08:34 AM
    NeedKarma
    But whenever someone posts an objectionable verse in the Christianity forums invariably the response is "but you have to look at the context". So now that's not true any more?
  • Nov 20, 2009, 08:35 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    So... you equate the sentence "May his days be few, may another take his place of leadership" as a call for assasination

    Hello again, Elliot:

    Did your right wing blinders prevent you from reading the entire psalm?? Dude! This post IS about the ENTIRE psalm, or did THAT fact escape you?

    I suppose it did. But, let me see if I can help. The passage right after the one you proclaim is soooo innocent, and that Speech calls just a bit of harmless fun, is THIS passage:

    9 May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow.

    Yes, I suggest it calls for his assassination. On what planet wouldn't it?

    excon
  • Nov 20, 2009, 08:36 AM
    tomder55

    Can't recall the last time I was on the religious forums here. Don't use me as an example of a good Christian or even a typical one. I'm not that worthy.
  • Nov 20, 2009, 08:45 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    But the verse immediately following the psalm referenced is a bit more ominous: “Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.”

    God, do I have to teach you everything about bible verses????

    Suddenly you guys are worried about context? The only ones using anything besides verse 8 are you fear-mongers.
  • Nov 20, 2009, 08:47 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Suddenly you guys are worried about context? The only ones using anything besides verse 8 are you fear-mongers.

    See https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/2094390-post23.html
  • Nov 20, 2009, 09:04 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    But whenever someone posts an objectionable verse in the Christianity forums invariably the response is "but you have to look at the context". So now that's not true any more?

    We're not dealing with bible study we're dealing with bumper stickers. Let's play it your way anyway...

    http://images4.cafepress.com/product...x240_Front.jpg

    That means shoot Cheney and Bush first, ask questions later. And how about that Bill Maher, who openly sympathized with bloggers wishing an attack on Cheney hadn't failed and basically wishing he were dead himself, with Barney Frank joining in on the 'joke.'

    Quote:

    Maher: What about the people who got onto the Huffington Post — and these weren't even the bloggers, these were just the comments section — who said they, they expressed regret that the attack on Cheney failed. […]

    Barney Frank: They said the bomb was wasted. (laughter and applause)

    Maher: That's a funny joke. But, seriously, if this isn't China, shouldn't you be able to say that? Why did Arianna Huffington, my girlfriend, I love her, but why did she take that off right away? […] I have zero doubt that if Cheney was not in power, people wouldn't be dying needlessly tomorrow. (applause) […] I'm just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That's a fact.
    And in case no one browsed my last link, here are some (printable) highlights of protesters in the U.S.

    Burning Bush in effigy:
    http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_sh...3-4350_IMG.JPG

    Lynching Bush:
    http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_sh...0-2044_IMG.JPG

    This one speaks for itself.

    Removed due to content and replaced with this link (profanity).

    Again, pardon me while I don't share the outrage.
  • Nov 20, 2009, 09:09 AM
    NeedKarma
    That last picture looks like you. Is it?

    Any outrage of yours is held exclusively and consistently for all things liberal so excuse me if I believe your opinion to not be representative.
  • Nov 20, 2009, 09:26 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    That last picture looks like you. Is it?

    I don't have tattoos.

    Quote:

    Any outrage of yours is held exclusively and consistently for all things liberal so excuse me if I believe your opinion to not be representative.
    Again you haven't been paying attention - or you're just being selective. The pictures I just posted should draw bipartisan contempt. This bumper sticker is not even remotely close to the offensiveness and viciousness of those images.

    http://s2.buzzfeed.com/static/imageb...58557389-0.jpg

    Tell the world differently...
  • Nov 20, 2009, 09:33 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Again, pardon me while I don't share the outrage.

    Hello again, Steve,

    In my view, the difference between those and these, is that Obama is black. You'll say, it's because Obama is left.

    I'd believe you too, if there were groups like the KKK that lynched white people in our past, like we did to black people, or if we had enslaved white people like we did to black people... Then, I too would chalk this up political bickering...

    But, Obama and Bush aren't the same, are they?

    And, even if I'm wrong, and it's just my political sensibilities that are offended, YOU KNOW that there are groups out there who have a "deep seated hatred" for black people, and are looking for ANY excuse to act on it.

    If you DON'T know these people exist, we don't have a lot to talk about, do we?

    The Secret Service reports that death threats have gone up 400% since Obama moved into the White House... I refuse to believe it's because of his politics.

    excon
  • Nov 20, 2009, 09:47 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    In my view, the difference between those and these, is that Obama is black. You'll say, it's because Obama is left.

    Come on, that's BS. When did you take to seeing bogeymen in every corner, when a black man was elected? You want me to believe the bumper sticker I showed is far worse than someone holding a sign saying "Death to extremist Christian terrorist pig-Bush?" You've sunken to new lows, ex. Come back to reality, we could you use you here.
  • Nov 20, 2009, 09:49 AM
    tomder55

    Racism is the argument of last resort.
  • Nov 20, 2009, 09:51 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Racism is the argument of last resort.

    That and using the Nazi/Hitler terms.
  • Nov 20, 2009, 09:59 AM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve,

    In my view, the difference between those and these, is that Obama is black. You'll say, it's because Obama is left.

    I'd believe you too, if there were groups like the KKK that lynched white people in our past, like we did to black people, or if we had enslaved white people like we did to black people... Then, I too would chalk this up political bickering...

    So the "Muslim Brotherhood" of Louis Farakhan and the Black Panthers and other "black supremacist theology" groups (Reverend Wright's church comes to mind) don't count?

    Quote:

    But, Obama and Bush aren't the same, are they?
    Only in your mind.

    Quote:

    And, even if I'm wrong,
    You should have stopped right there.

    Quote:

    and it's just my political sensibilities that are offended, YOU KNOW that there are groups out there who have a "deep seated hatred" for black people, and are looking for ANY excuse to act on it.
    Yep. And there are groups out there with "deep seated hatred" for white people too, and they are also looking for any excuse to act on it. Or do you deny that such groups exist?

    Quote:

    If you DON'T know these people exist, we don't have a lot to talk about, do we?

    The Secret Service reports that death threats have gone up 400% since Obama moved into the White House...
    Maybe Obama's policies of nationalizing industry, nationalizing financial companies, nationalizing health care, and spending us into oblivion are 400% more inflamatory than his predecessors' policies. Maybe his 500% increase of the national budget deficit has given rise to a 400% increase in hatred toward the President. Perhaps his blatant disregard for what 70% of the people want (or rather DON'T want) with regard to healthcare reform in the USA is leading to increased hatred of Obama. Maybe his assumptions about the stupidity and lack of intelligence of the American people has insulted 400% more people than any of his predecessors.

    BTW, I'd like to see evidence of this "400% increase in death threats" that you claim the Secret Service says the White House is experiencing. Do you have a source for this claim?

    Quote:

    I refuse to believe it's because of his politics.

    Excon
    Exactly. You refuse to believe it, so it must not be so.

    Good argument.

    Elliot
  • Nov 20, 2009, 10:02 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    That and using the Nazi/Hitler terms.

    You mean like this?

    http://images7.cafepress.com/product...x480_Front.jpg
    http://palaceofwisdom.net/images/Links/bulerRED.jpg

    Keep trying, I got a million more. Like this one:

    http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/wp...bushshirt2.jpg
  • Nov 20, 2009, 10:15 AM
    NeedKarma
    Dude, anyone with a computer and an internet connection can find offensive images about anyone. What's your point?

    You say "Keep trying", what did you mean by that? I was just agreed that hyperbole that contains racism and nazism is equaly bad.
  • Nov 20, 2009, 10:36 AM
    tomder55

    Show me the racism in the psalm passage ( 109:8)
  • Nov 20, 2009, 11:22 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Dude, anyone with a computer and an internet connection can find offensive images about anyone. What's your point?

    Dude, you know the point and you can't marginalize it by using your "anyone with a computer and an internet connection" line. You guys are finding conspiracies of racism and assassination out of this bumper sticker and it's pathetic. Especially so in light of the multitude of real, obvious, verifiable threats, irresponsible comments, outright hatred, vicious t-shirts, slogans, bumper stickers and posters directed at Bush, members of his administration, Christians, conservatives and Republicans in general over the previous 8 years. The hypocrisy is absolutely stunning and the outrage over this Psalm 109:8 thing is entirely vacuous.
  • Nov 20, 2009, 11:31 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    You guys are finding conspiracies of racism and assassination out of this bumper sticker

    I never said anything about racism, but the assassination angle is real, we've shown that here. You spoke up about the Bush images when they surfaced, we're talking about this now as it surfaces. No one here ever said that they condone the Bush images, if fact we had nothing to do with them, you just dig up the worst you can find and attribute it to us agreeing with it - we don't.

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