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Time for a new 'crisis' - Obama's numbers head south

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 27% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13. That’s just a point above the lowest level ever recorded for this President. It’s also the sixth straight day in negative double digits, matching the longest such streak (see trends). Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports

Must be all that marginalizing of FOX News making the difference . Clearly that strategery is working !

Rhambo : not to worry boss ....ya see ;me, Valerie, an Axle will go on the Sunday mornin talk shows this week and call Scott Rasmussen names and say that his opinions are twisted ....yeah that's da ticket !!

I always find it funny one poll says what George posted then Gallup poll says 50 approve and 40 disapprove. I don't get it

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

I always find it funny one poll says what George posted then Gallup poll says 50 approve and 40 disapprove. I don't get it

They're polls. There are tons of them, people post the one whose results line up with their ideology.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

They're polls. There are tons of them, people post the one whose results line up with their ideology.

Actually you say that for every poll we post... ALL of which seem to say the same thing.

If it was one poll, you'd have an argument. But it's ALL of them. Even the liberal organizations' polls show Obama's numbers falling badly.

Elliot

Like this one
Poll shows support for public option - washingtonpost.com

Or this one
RNC?s Michael Steele Admits that The Public Option is Popular | Politicususa.com

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Like this one
Poll shows support for public option - washingtonpost.com

Or this one
RNC?s Michael Steele Admits that The Public Option is Popular | Politicususa.com

Ohhh you got me!!

Not!!

What do the polls you are citing have to do with the fact that Obama's popularity numbers and approval ratings are falling?

As for the WAPO push poll, did you notice this?

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Overall, given what you know about them, would you say you support or oppose the proposed changes to the health-care system being developed by Congress and the Obama Administration?

Support: 45% (26% strongly)
Oppose: 48% (36% strongly)

That doesn't look like overwhelming support to me.

Or did you notice how this question was asked?

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Which of these would you prefer:

A plan that includes some form of government-sponsored health insurance for people who can't get affordable private insurance, but is approved without support from Republicans in Congress?

(51% overall approval)

Or

A plan that is approved with support from Republicans in Congress, but does not include any form of government-sponsored health insurance for people who can't get affordable private insurance?

(36% overall support)

The problem with that question is that neither of these options tells the truth. The government-option is not going to be limited to only those who cannot get affordable health care. Therefore people were voting on something that has no basis in reality.

If the question were truthful and asked people whether they would support a government health plan that is open to EVERYONE for now and will eventually become the ONLY FORM OF HEALTHCARE provided in the USA, I wonder what the results would be.

Actually I don't... 80% of Americans would vote against it right off the bat.

The poll was a push poll specifically devised to have an outcome that is beneficial to the Dems. But it isn't reality-based.

So even in this poll, where Americans made it clear that they do not support Obama's and Congress' proposals for health care reform, the pollsters STILL couldn't be honest in their questions.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Like this one
Poll shows support for public option - washingtonpost.com[/url]

Did you notice this part of the demographics of this poll?

Democrat 33%
Republican 20%

I wonder why Dems would come up with a different answer than everyone else? Or how about this poll - also skewed toward Dems in the sampling - which shows the public is more concerned about the economy than Democrat favorites health care reform and climate change combined?

George - I believe your poll numbers are probably low. I'm sure his disapproval numbers are much, much higher and his approval numbers are in the single digits but the public won't be privy to that particular poll as it would be closer to the truth.

America is obviously just starting to catch on to this bozo's lame brained "cabinet" and ill advised advisors. It's just a matter of time until the military does a bloodless coup and takes the clown goosestepped out of the White House. I'm sure FOX news will be broadcasting that scene live and then rerunning the piece over and over again 24/7 for at least a week or more.

Hello:

His numbers are dropping?? Yawwwwn... So, when is it a surprise that a presidents initial popularity begins to wan??

Let me know when he starts sending Republicans to FEMA re-education camps, or starts killing old farts. Then I'll get excited.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

His numbers are dropping??? Yawwwwn... So, when is it a surprise that a presidents initial popularity begins to wan???

Begins? He's been waning for months and it's been a pretty dramatic fall from the Messiah status he held in January. Unlike bush who didn't care what the polls said Obama can't live without his popularity so I think it's quite significant.

Why is is he so intent on marginalizing Fox News? Why do you think they've put so much effort into controlling the message? Why do you think anyone that reflects poorly on him soon has tire tracks across their forehead?

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Originally Posted by twinkiedooter

George - I believe your poll numbers are probably low. I'm sure his disapproval numbers are much, much higher and his approval numbers are in the single digits but the public won't be privy to that particular poll as it would be closer to the truth.

America is obviously just starting to catch on to this bozo's lame brained "cabinet" and ill advised advisors. It's just a matter of time until the military does a bloodless coup and takes the clown goosestepped out of the White House. I'm sure FOX news will be broadcasting that scene live and then rerunning the piece over and over again 24/7 for at least a week or more.

Yes and who are you going to get to replace him, someone with the intelligence of a McChrystal or a Biden

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Originally Posted by twinkiedooter

George - I believe your poll numbers are probably low. I'm sure his disapproval numbers are much, much higher and his approval numbers are in the single digits but the public won't be privy to that particular poll as it would be closer to the truth.

America is obviously just starting to catch on to this bozo's lame brained "cabinet" and ill advised advisors.

I'm right with you up till this point, Twink.

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It's just a matter of time until the military does a bloodless coup and takes the clown goosestepped out of the White House. I'm sure FOX news will be broadcasting that scene live and then rerunning the piece over and over again 24/7 for at least a week or more.

Here is where you go a bit overboard.

The military isn't going to perform a coup, because Obama hasn't done anything illegal or unconstitutional. He isn't going to be "goosestepped" anywhere. He is simply going to lose Congress in 2010 and then in 2012 he will be voted out of office in the greatest landslide since Reagan. There WILL be a grassroots uprising and a huge increase in legal political activism, but there won't be a coup. We don't need one.

I DO think that Fox will have the last laugh though. On that we are in agreement.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Why is is he so intent on marginalizing Fox News?

Hello again, Steve:

Fox News is marginalizing Obama's troops, so it's either stay on the defensive, or get tough on offense. I thought you liked the get tough types.

Frankly, he wouldn't BE playing defense if he hadn't appointed people like that no tax paying SOB Geithner...

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello:

His numbers are dropping??? Yawwwwn... So, when is it a surprise that a presidents initial popularity begins to wan???

Wonderful. Please keep that attitude going. Please spread it among your fellow liberals. It'll make the 2010 and 2012 elections that much easier to win.

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
---Napoleon Bonaparte

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Originally Posted by paraclete

yes and who are you going to get to replace him, someone with the intelligence of a McChrystal or a Biden

Legally, it would be Biden. The VP takes over for the Prez if the Prez is unable to continue in office.

But that would have two unfortunate consequences.

1) It would make Biden the President.
2) It would make Nancy Pelosi Vice President.

Better to wait for an election and just remove the whole bunch of idiots in one shot.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Fox News is marginalizing Obama's troops, so it's either stay on the defensive, or get tough on offense. I thought you liked the get tough types.

Frankly, he wouldn't BE playing defense if he hadn't appointed people like that no tax paying SOB Geithner...

excon

I agree, though Geithner is just ONE example of a bad appointment.

When a NAMBLA supporter gets appointed to the position of highest educator of children in the land, there's definitely a problem with Obama's appointments.

When he appoints lobbyists to his administration just days after promissing not to appoint any lobbyists to his administration, there's a problem.

When he appoints a "green czar" that has promised to use environmentalism as a tool to dismantle the US economy... and also happens to have been caught on camera cussing out the political opposition... there's a problem.

When he appoints an FCC diversity czar who refuses to accept diversity of opinions other than his own on the radio, there's a problem.

When Obama appoints as the head purchaser of weapons for the military (the Undersecretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics) a man who is an avowed pacifist who has stated his goal is the ELIMINATION of all military weapons (a guy by the name of Ashton Carter), there is clearly a problem.

When he appoints to the DOJ Office of Legal Counsel a woman who has actively protested every single security measure put in place to protect the USA since 9/11, and who has stated that "pregnancy equals slavery" (a woman named Dawn Johansen), there's a problem.

Why pick on Geithner, when you have this whole fruit salad to pick from?

Elliot

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Originally Posted by excon

Fox News is marginalizing Obama's troops, so it's either stay on the defensive, or get tough on offense. I thought you liked the get tough types.

And I thought you liked tough types keeping Washington accountable.

Did you catch Rhambo's little suggestion to the rest of the media, "it’s important not to have the CNN’s and the others of the world being led and following Fox." Why do you think he said that? There's only one network doing the job of the adversarial media that was such a good thing before last November and that's Fox News. Rham doesn't want the other media following their lead and exposing this administration. He can't control Fox like he can the others and that pi$$es him off.

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Frankly, he wouldn't BE playing defense if he hadn't appointed people like that no tax paying SOB Geithner...

Or Daschle, or Dancer and Prancer and Blitzen? That's what you get for electing such a rank amateur to the highest office in the land.

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

When a NAMBLA supporter gets appointed to the position of highest educator of children in the land, there's definitely a problem with Obama's appointments.

Hello again, Elliot:

When Fox lies as they do, and you repeat them, is just one reason why Obama declared them to be NOT a news org.

The safe schools czar, Kevin Jennings, described in writings and speeches how a high-school student confided to him in 1988 that he was having a relationship with an older man.

The student has since spoken out in defense of Jennings, claiming he was 16 at the time, which was the legal age in Massachusetts, and that he was not sexually active.

THIS you take to mean he's a NAMBLA supporter...

Bonkerss, Dude. Totally bonkers.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Elliot:

When Fox lies as they do, and you repeat them, is just one reason why Obama declared them to be NOT a news org.

The safe schools czar, Kevin Jennings, described in writings and speeches how a high-school student confided to him in 1988 that he was having a relationship with an older man.

The student has since spoken out in defense of Jennings, claiming he was 16 at the time, which was the legal age in Massachusetts, and that he was not sexually active.

THIS you take to mean he's a NAMBLA supporter....

Bonkerss, Dude. Totally bonkers.

excon

No, I take his support of a teacher who spoke out in favor of NAMBLA to be support of NAMBLA. (Separate event.)

I take his comments to the kid to just be sick.

Elliot

Here's the exact text of what Jennings said:

One of the people that’s always inspired me is Harry Hay, who started the first ongoing gay rights groups in America. In 1948, he tried to get people to join the Mattachine Society. It took him two years to find one other person who would join. Well, [in] 1993, Harry Hay marched with a million people in Washington, who thought he had a good idea 40 years before. Everybody thought Harry Hay was crazy in 1948, and they knew something about him which he apparently did not—they were right, he was crazy. You are all crazy. We are all crazy. All of us who are thinking this way are crazy, because you know what? Sane people keep the world the same [ty] old way it is now. It’s the people who think, ‘No, I can envision a day when straight people say, “So what if you’re promoting homosexuality?”‘ Or straight kids say, ‘Hey, why don’t you and your boyfriend come over before you go to the prom and try on your tuxes on at my house?’ That if we believe that can happen, we can make it happen. The only thing that will stop us is our lack of faith that we can make it happen. That is our mission from this day forward. To not lose our faith, to not lose our belief that the world can, indeed, be a different place. And think how much can change in one lifetime if in Harry Hay’s one very short life, he saw change from not even one person willing to join him to a million people willing to travel to Washington to join him.“
So... who is Harry Hay?

Well, here is the Wikipedia entery on Harry Hay.

Harry Hay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It includes THIS little tidbit:

In the early 1980s, Hay joined other early gay rights activists protesting the exclusion of the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) from participation in LGBT social movements, most noticeably pride parades–arguably the most visible signs of LGBT culture–on the grounds that such exclusions constituted a betrayal by the gay community.[33] In 1983, at a New York University forum, sponsored by an on-campus gay organization, he remarked "[I]f the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world."[49] In 1986 Hay was confronted by police when he attempted to march in the Los Angeles pride parade, from which NAMBLA had been banned, with a sign reading "NAMBLA walks with me."[14][note 5]

So... if Jennings praises Harry Hay and supports Harry Hay, then he is supporting NAMBLA as well.

This is a completely separate issue from what he told the kid at school (which borders on NAMBLA-like support as well).

Once is happinstance. Twice? Twice is personal preference.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

So... if Jennings praises Harry Hay and supports Harry Hay, then he is supporting NAMBLA as well.

Logical fallacy - affirming the consequent.

I think the Fox News attack is a deflection from keying on the fact that the President is getting nothing done.

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Originally Posted by excon

Lemme know when he starts sending Republicans to FEMA re-education camps, or starts killing old farts. Then I'll get excited.

excon

Hellsbells, excon: you just throw out the constitution when your guy was elected?

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Originally Posted by George_1950

Hellsbells, excon: you just throw out the constitution when your guy was elected?

Hello again, George:

Settle down, George. What particular part of the Constitution is he violating?? Don't you think you're right wing friend, the Wolverine would be right there if he had?? But, I'll humor you. What's the first violation?

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, George:

Settle down, George. What particular part of the Constitution is he violating??? Don't you think you're right wing friend, the Wolverine would be right there if he had??? But, I'll humor you. What's the first violation?

excon

I think it was his election wasn't it ex

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Originally Posted by excon

What's the first violation?

As soon as he signs the defense appropriations bill.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Logical fallacy - affirming the consequent.

As I said above, if it were JUST the Harry Hay thing, I might agree with you. And if it were JUST the incident with the kid in High School, I might agree with you.

Both together? That's no longer an isolated incidence. That's a pattern of behaviors, both of which point to Jennings supporting the idea of adults having homosexual sex with minors. (16 is STILL a legal minor, even if MA law allows him to have sex. It may not have been ILLEGAL, but it was STILL sex with a minor.)

Elliot

More Obama's drop:

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In fact, the 9-point drop in the most recent quarter is the largest Gallup has ever measured for an elected president between the second and third quarters of his term, dating back to 1953. One president who was not elected to his first term -- Harry Truman -- had a 13-point drop between his second and third quarters in office in 1945 and 1946.

"The decline in Barack Obama's popularity since July has been the steepest of any president at the same stage of his first term for more than 50 years. Gallup recorded an average daily approval rating of 53 per cent for Mr Obama for the third quarter of the year, a sharp drop from the 62 per cent he recorded from April.

His current approval rating – hovering just above the level that would make re-election an uphill struggle – is close to the bottom for newly-elected president. Mr Obama entered the White House with a soaring 78 per cent approval rating.
Barack Obama sees worst poll rating drop in 50 years - Telegraph