Ask Me Help Desk - Are you going to get either the seasonal flu shot or the swine flu shot?

Are you going to get either the seasonal flu shot or the swine flu shot?

Don't know how to do a "poll" so I'll just ask this

Are you or anyone in your family planning on getting the seasonal flu shot this year?

Are you or anyone in your family planning on getting the series of swine flu shots this year?

Have you or any of your family members ever had a flu shot and got very ill a week or so later with the worst flu you ever had?

My son and I are not planning on getting either flu shots this year or any year. We both had seasonal flu shots about 14 years ago and we both got extremely ill with bad flu symptoms about a week after the shots. We were very ill for about 3 weeks.

How about you? What are you planning on doing this fall?

Twink,
The poll option is a bit below.. way below " Manage Attachments".

Flu

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Originally Posted by twinkiedooter

Don't know how to do a "poll" so I'll just ask this

Are you or anyone in your family planning on getting the seasonal flu shot this year?

Are you or anyone in your family planning on getting the series of swine flu shots this year?

Have you or any of your family members ever had a flu shot and got very ill a week or so later with the worst flu you ever had?

My son and I are not planning on getting either flu shots this year or any year. We both had seasonal flu shots about 14 years ago and we both got extremely ill with bad flu symptoms about a week after the shots. We were very ill for about 3 weeks.

How about you? What are you planning on doing this fall?

Missed the seasonal flu shot this year but will definitely get the H1N1 shot. I have not experienced any problems with previous flu shots but then I did have a very bad case of flu as a child and it may have given me some immunity. If you have risk factors it is not worth the risk of adding to them.

Out of date

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Originally Posted by twinkiedooter

Swine Flu Expose by Eleanora I. McBean, Ph.D., N.D.

Did you happen to notice the date on this particular piece of paranoia? 1977. More than thirty years ago. If you want to discuss today's diseases it might be relevant to use recent articles as we have moved on a long way in thirty years

The wife and I always get a flu shot. Not sure if we'll do the swine flu shot or not but probably. And I'm sure your illness after getting the shots was coincidental, you cannot get the flu from a flu shot as the virus in the vaccine is dead. You can get mild symptoms however as a result of the shot. On the other hand the nasal version uses a weakened virus so don't go that route if you're over 50 or have a weakened immune system.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

did you happen to notice the date on this particular piece of paranoia? 1977. More than thirty years ago. If you want to discuss today's diseases it might be relevant to use recent articles as we have moved on a long way in thirty years

I mentioned that date in another thread.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-...lu-394190.html

I've already gotten my flu shot.

You know, the flu shot made these days is made from a DEAD virus. You CAN't get sick from it. If you get sick you were already infected prior to getting the shot.

Yes, I am the local flu shot nurse as well as the L&D nurse.

We have never gotten sick from a flu shot and we have been getting it for the last ten years or so.

We both have gotten one this year and plan to get the H1N1 or swine flu shot as soon as it is available.

I have some respiratory problems and don't want to take the chance by not getting it...

Stringer

Years ago the flu shot was made with either a live virus or an attinuated virus, these days it is made with a laboratory produced strain with a dead virus.

I discuss this with virtually every person I give the shot to during October and November.

You can be exposed to the flu virus and it takes 10 or more days to show symptoms. Now, if you have been exposed and during the incubation period you get the shot, of course you are still going to get sick. That has nothing to do with the shot, but rather the prior exposure to the virus.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

did you happen to notice the date on this particular piece of paranoia? 1977. More than thirty years ago. If you want to discuss today's diseases it might be relevant to use recent articles as we have moved on a long way in thirty years

Yes, I am quite aware that this article was from 1977. I can post different articles if you want from this past summer if you are concerned about how "out of date" this article is. In any event, it does contain a lot of information on virus and vaccination and is quite relevant even today.

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Originally Posted by twinkiedooter

I can post different articles if you want from this past summer if you are concerned about how "out of date" this article is.

Yes, please post them if they are from reputable sources.

Ten Things You're Not Supposed to Know about the Swine Flu Vaccine

former vaccine development scientist speaks out on the dangers and ineffectuality of vaccination

Vactruth.com

How's that for starters for 2009?

Also, whoever made up the poll for me (thank you) you forgot to add an option of NO, I am not taking any flu shots. Could you please add that in for me?

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Originally Posted by twinkiedooter

How's that for starters for 2009?

Reputable sources, please.

YouTube - Doctor Admits Vaccine Is More Deadly Than Swine Flu Itself & Will Not Give It To His Kids

So J what is your opinion on this Swine Flu Shot?

I have edited the poll to include "Neither"

Twinkie... the links you have provided above are NOT from reputable sources.

This would be considered a reputable source

CDC H1N1 Flu | Questions & Answers Novel H1N1 Influenza Vaccine

As well as this one

FDA Approves Vaccines for 2009 H1N1 Influenza Virus

Stringer, my opinion on the H1N1 vaccination has been made very clear. It should be taken by anyone that is in the high risk category, such as pregnant women, young children, people in the health care field where they will be exposed, people with immuno deficiencies, etc.

While I admire and respect Twinkie very much, I think she is attempting to start a panic where the vaccine is concerned. Vaccines have cured many past illnesses such as smallpox and polio just to name two.

I will be giving the vaccine to my children (as youngsters under the age of 25 fall into the high risk group), and will be taking it myself as I work in the medical field with pregnant women who also fall under the high risk group.

Remember people, don't panic... it's JUST a flu. More people die yearly from the regular ole seasonal flu.

Another reliable source

JAMA -- CDC Names H1N1 Vaccine Priority Groups, September 16, 2009, Kuehn 302 (11): 1157

I have voted for "neither"

This is because I am young, healthy and have not had any respiratory problems in the past.
I see no need for me to get the vaccine as I have also already had 'swine flu' making me partially immune.

I do not see these shots as being dangerous, in fact I think they are excellent for those who have had problems in the past or for the very young or elderly.

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Originally Posted by shazamataz

I have voted for "neither"

This is because I am young, healthy and have not had any respiratory problems in the past.
I see no need for me to get the vaccine as I have also already had 'swine flu' making me partially immune.

I do not see these shots as being dangerous, infact I think they are excellent for those who have had problems in the past or for the very young or elderly.

Shazzy, you are correct. You don't need the vaccine. Although my children have had a mild case of the H1N1 virus, my youngest son falls into a high risk category with asthma, he will be getting the shot.

**EDIT** another reputable source

http://www.pandemicflu.gov/

I'm not getting the shot either. I have never had the flu or the flu shot.

I thought so J_9, it's mainly targeted for those who already have respiratory issues (such as your sons asthma) and the eldery.

My grandmother will certainly be getting the flu shot, I shudder to think what would happen to her if she did not get the shot and then contracted H1N1 (she is almost 90)

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Originally Posted by shazamataz

I thought so J_9, it's mainly targeted for those who already have respiratory issues (such as your sons asthma) and the eldery.

I had read that the healthy elderly are probably already immune to swine flu because of all the times they have already had the flu. Like J said, the populations that are most susceptible are those between 6-24 and those who have asthma or compromised immune systems.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I had read that the healthy elderly are probably already immune to swine flu

EXACTLY! I am immune also, since I was exposed as a child in the '70s. However, with the risk to my patients, I am going to make sure I get it so that they don't pass the new strain to me.

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Originally Posted by shazamataz

My grandmother will certainly be getting the flu shot, I shudder to think what would happen to her if she did not get the shot and then contracted H1N1 (she is almost 90)

The flu shot and the H1N1 shot are 2 totally different animals. Your grandmother should get the flu shot, but not the H1N1 shot.

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Originally Posted by J_9

I have edited the poll to include "Neither"

Twinkie....the links you have provided above are NOT from reputable sources.

This would be considered a reputable source

CDC H1N1 Flu | Questions & Answers Novel H1N1 Influenza Vaccine

As well as this one

FDA Approves Vaccines for 2009 H1N1 Influenza Virus

Stringer, my opinion on the H1N1 vaccination has been made very clear. It should be taken by anyone that is in the high risk category, such as pregnant women, young children, people in the health care field where they will be exposed, people with immuno deficiencies, etc.

While I admire and respect Twinkie very much, I think she is attempting to start a panic where the vaccine is concerned. Vaccines have cured many past illnesses such as smallpox and polio just to name two.

I will be giving the vaccine to my children (as youngsters under the age of 25 fall into the high risk group), and will be taking it myself as I work in the medical field with pregnant women who also fall under the high risk group.

Remember people, don't panic.....it's JUST a flu. More people die yearly from the regular ole seasonal flu.

Ok, thanks J.

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Originally Posted by twinkiedooter

Don't know how to do a "poll" so I'll just ask this

Are you or anyone in your family planning on getting the seasonal flu shot this year?

Are you or anyone in your family planning on getting the series of swine flu shots this year?

Have you or any of your family members ever had a flu shot and got very ill a week or so later with the worst flu you ever had?

My son and I are not planning on getting either flu shots this year or any year. We both had seasonal flu shots about 14 years ago and we both got extremely ill with bad flu symptoms about a week after the shots. We were very ill for about 3 weeks.

How about you? What are you planning on doing this fall?

Ha, Ha!! First of all... you had a bad reaction to a "seasonal flu shot" 14 YEARS AGO! Have you, or your son, EVEN HAD A FLU SHOT SINCE then? BTW... the swine flu shot will be a SINGLE shot (for basically everyone except small babies) NOT a SERIES of shots! Check the facts... give it a Google! My Opinion Only..!

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Originally Posted by J_9

The flu shot and the H1N1 shot are 2 totally different animals. Your grandmother should get the flu shot, but not the H1N1 shot.

Oh OK, sorry, I don't know that much about it...
I just know she is getting some sort of flu shot, she does every flu season as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by FlutterBye

Ha, Ha!!! First of all.....you had a bad reaction to a "seasonal flu shot" 14 YEARS AGO! Have you, or your son, EVEN HAD A FLU SHOT SINCE then? BTW...the swine flu shot will be a SINGLE shot (for basically everyone except small babies) NOT a SERIES of shots!! Check the facts....give it a google!! My Opinion Only.....!!

Yes, my son and I have both had the flu since 14 years ago. We have had the flu only not as bad as that particular 3 week illness. We take lots of Vitamin D to help ward off the flu and to lessen the symptoms if we do get the flu.

Also yes, some sites have suggested a series of H1N1 shots and not just one shot for the swine flu. Even my local TV news says you need up to 4 swine flu shots so I am not making this up. And also the infants under 6 months will not be getting these shots.

And no, I'm sorry. I don't consider the US government sites as being reputable. I don't trust the AMA or the CDC and especially the WHO as far as I can throw them. They are told what to say and write regardless if it is "harmful to the public" or not. It's been proven over and over again that the US Government is not for the populace.

I would not willingly put that squalene into my blood stream and also the excessive mercury and who knows what else they've put into this "vaccine". Squalene is okay if you eat it by mouth. But it is not okay if you inject it into your body. It causes the body's immune system to go haywire. It basically makes your body attack itself.

Thanks everyone who took my poll. I appreciate your participation.

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Originally Posted by twinkiedooter

Even my local tv news says you need up to 4 swine flu shots so I am not making this up. And also the infants under 6 months will not be getting these shots.

Your local TV news is WRONG... it's only 2 shots for those that are at risk.

Shots

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Originally Posted by J_9

Your local TV news is WRONG...it's only 2 shots for those that are at risk.

It's all down to which vaccine you use, we are now down to one and if we really worked on it I bet we could get it down to none:D

J-9 I was not trying to "start a panic" about the vaccinations. I was just stating my opinion on the matter having done extensive reading.

It's not the dead or live flu in the vaccination that I object to - it's all the other additives in the shot that are my main concern. When is it safe to have mercury introduced into the human body when mercury is one of the most toxic substances there is? Plus the squalene? Plus who knows what else? All this and much, much more was personally explained to me by a former Biopreparat vaccine substance staff member. He had a lot to do with biowarfare. He is deceased due to extreme old age. He would happily introduce himself as "My name is So and So. I make diseases". And that is exactly WHAT he did. So I tend to believe this man compared to the CDC, WHO, AMA, FDA, etc, etc. Where this man worked one false move or prick with a syringe would mean either a lifetime of suffering or certain horrible death within hours or days. He was extremely careful every day and lived to talk about it.

I can well understand your stance about the smallpox, etc. but that is a thing of the past. We are now faced with a much more insidious attack on our collective human health welfare with vaccines of dubious origin and content.

What about all the Guardasil deaths and permanent injuries to young girls that is currently being covered up or trying to be covered up. I don't feel that those vaccinations were necessary in the first place, let alone safe for them.

Association between thimerosal-containing vaccine ...[JAMA. 2003] - PubMed Result

I've gotten the seasonal flu shot already, have so for decades and never have gotten the flu.
I will get the swine flu vaccine also. I'm a healthcare worker so I'm getting these vaccines to protect others as much as to protect myself.

With any medicine or vaccination there are risks and benefits; ever read the potential side effects from aspirin or birth control pills?

Seen from an epidemiologic perspective, the risks of the vaccination are significantly less than the benefits; thus the recommendations for.

Twinkie, even in the YouTube link, the ID doctor put the risks as higher for certain population, and in the "consent" for the flu shot I received there were questions to idenify those who may be at higher risks from the vaccinations, those already with a fever, have had Guillian Barre in the past etc.

G&P

Just got home from work. I was the first in my facility to receive the H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine. There was a line at the door.

As IN mentioned this is not only for my protection, but for the health and welfare of my children and family as well as my patients.

The head of our surgery department had the virus 3 weeks ago... brought it home and gave it to her husband... he died a week later. I can't have that on my conscience since 2 of my children are in the high risk category.

Hello:

I ain't getting it. Glenn Beck said that they're putting an RFID chip in me and they'll be able to track me all over the world...

Besides, Jews don't get flu from PIGS. It ain't kosher.

excon

Pigs ain't kosher... neither is the swine flu... can't get it from eatin' pork. Ya get it from people breathin' on you.

RFID chip? LMAO... guess I'll be tracked forever!!

Glenn Beck is nuts there is no RFID chip in Flu shots. Everyone knows they put a mind control drug in flu shots to make you want to go out and buy things. Hence why you get it around the holidays. Homer Simpson uncovered this conspiracy years ago :p

But I never get the flu shot. My wife said I am not social enough to worry about catching the flu from someone since I hate being around people.

I thought the vaccine used an inhaler... or is that just an option ?
Hard to inject that radio chip when you are snorting the vaccine

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flu shots to make you want to go out and buy things. Hence why you get it around the holidays

One thing I'm sure to buy is a big fat holiday ham.

Got my flu shot yesterday. The H1N1 is arriving here next week I believe, haven't decided if I'll get that one as well.

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

Glenn Beck is nuts

That's really all you needed to say. We are all in agreement there. :)

The inhaled version is a live/atinuated (attenuated vaccine a vaccine prepared from live microorganisms or viruses cultured under adverse conditions leading to loss of their virulence but retention of their ability to induce protective immunity) virus while the shot is an inactivated vaccine.