Why is it that our children can't read a bible in school, but they can in prison?
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Why is it that our children can't read a bible in school, but they can in prison?
They can read their bibles in school in Texas, we even have elective bible courses in many districts which irritates the left to no end, as do prison ministries. But if you ask most prison wardens I bet they'd say these ministries are more than welcome.
Oh wow we aren't suppose to be reading our Bibles in school? Dang I guess I should stop reading it in class... I was wondering why the teacher kept looking at me! I think it is all a load of stupidity... We are losing what the foundation of our society was built on. I'm not saying I am perfect because I am far from it but I think as long as I am not making a fellow student/co-worker uncomfortbale by trying to shove anything down their throats then it is my right/freedom to read my Bible anywhere I want... Society these days is too easily offended and in my opinion people are losing themselves and worrying about the wrong "issues" so to speak.
I am not politically correct. (What is true never is.) You will not find any here. I hate it; the only thing I hate more are people who know it is destroying the world we live in but have not the integrity and courage to speak up against it. In fact, to counterbalance the pervasive, destructive p/c out on the street, I press the politically incorrect envelope to the MAX. I can't stand phonies and two-faced hypocrites. I have no tolerance for purposeful ignorance or stupidity. Herein there is no hesitation to say so. You will find huge doses of moral prejudice for these types from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagan88
You're allowed to read the bible in schools in Ohio.
Haha yes I agree... I am very outspoken and blunt! I think my mouth is what gets me into so much trouble but then again I try to be open minded to other peoples points and views not because I disagree with them but because I don't know everything in this world and feel the more knowledge I am able to acquire the better off I am... I dislike fake people and hypocrites to the max! And will be the first person to call someone out... As for Bibles not being allowed in some schools I think it is really totally ridiculous!Quote:
Originally Posted by 1099669
I do not live my life second-handedly. I am not, first, interested in impressing others above making a lasting impression with my own life. I get my self-esteem from the inside, huge gobs of it, not by desperately soliciting the praise or approval of others. I have no interest in developing empty, phony friendships or wasting my time indulging silly life dramas and gossip just to make nice. It is not that I am mean-spirited. It is that I am indifferent to it all. I couldn't care less and I don't feel the need to act like I do. My life is my life, and my life is equal to time and I don't trade my time (life) fir wasteful, meaningless experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagan88
I have incredible self-discipline and self-control. I am sure about what I decide and believe and I do not seek or need the advice of others to reach those conclusions. I do not make wrong moral choices. I am not modest about how I conduct myself in regard to all of these. This is off-putting to many people. I do not care. The world is very black and white to me. I know there cannot even be gray unless there were, first, the knowledge of what is black and white. Gray is middle of the road. Gray is wanting to have your cake and eat it too. Life does not work that way. I don't try to live it that way. I judge people, including myself -- HARD. I do not pull moral punches. If you are put-off by this, then what I have to bluntly state may not sit well with your stomach. Take some Alka-Seltzer or just simply leave.
Ha yeah what you say has no effect on me in any kind of negative way... it does not bother me one way or another if anything it opens my mind. And because I am willing to listen to others does not mean I need what they say to make a decission... My mind is made up but because I would like the respect of being allowed to get my point across I then too give them the chance as well... It has no effect on what I think, believe, or how I live my life. My life is my life and anyone can judge it but that is on them not me...Quote:
Originally Posted by 1099669
I don't practice my philosophy of life or its principles, piecemeal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagan88
MOTIVATION is a part of ALL that I do.
I'm interested in what you mean by this? You don't practice your philosophy on others or in life in general? And as for motivation isn't that what everyone does through life... motivate themselves from one thing to another?Quote:
Originally Posted by 1099669
I disagree that everyone motivates themselves from one thing to another. The motivation I speak of is going to a place within yourself, drumming up all the readiness, rage and explosiveness it takes to do what has to get done. Like morality and integrity, motivation cannot be half assed. You have to know and believe that you are the best and that each other one striking out to stand atop your mountain is your enemy. Being able to do that is more important than even the skills one has. Being UNCONQUERABLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagan88
Interesting... do u think everyone is fighting to get to the top of one mountain? I agree that motivation cannot be half assed because if it is then what is the point of "motivtion" but I also believe everyone has their own mountains to win over and the biggest enemy is ones self.
Ockham's Razor is a principle attributed to the 14th century English logician and Franciscan friar William of Ockham. In Latin this principle is expressed various ways: "ex parsimoniae" (law of succinctness); "entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem" (entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity); "numquam ponenda est pluralitas sine necessitate" (never posit pluralities without necessity).
The term Razor refers to the act of "shaving away unnecessary assumptions" when explaining any phenomenon so to get at and then use the simplest explanation. All things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the best one, and also the onw most likely to be true; one should embrace the less complicated explanation.
I would like to add my own insight, which I have acquired through 35 years (to date) of unique life experience and serious introspective attention:
ONE'S FIRST GUT INSTINCT IS PURE REASON
My beliefs, inspiration, ideas, thoughts, critiques and opinions are delivered with the chunk removing force of a machete swung by a male who believes that, to chop off the unnecessary and get the job done right, the swing must be swung with a muscular, mighty follow through.
My Creator endowed me with naturally high testosterone levels an a very low tolerance for hypocrites, liars, enablers, piecemeal practice of principle, emasculated males, political correctness, and any other kind of oppressive, fantastical caca that doesn't work in the private backyard of my own individual life.
I am a "being" created with the ability to judge, so I do. I am also a male inspired by men who have held greater ideals and have done much greater things than any of us have who are living today, most notably Classical Heroes and America's Principled and Brilliant Founding Fathers.
I believe in lean, muscular wisdom without fat or wiggle(room) and hold today's intellectuals and their ideas to a times past standard of responsibility, integrity and commonsensem and brave, bold, stout manliness.
I must say 1099669 you are a very interesting person and I respect you for that you show valid points and knowledgeable facts... What you have said is food for thought.
Are we done?
What else can we discuss, I respect your thoughts
Haha well thank you... what else do you got? I am down for talking about anything...
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. What are your thoughts.
Wow um well I think war is a ridiculously ugly think I also think with better government and control the wholse situation can be controlled in a better manner... And I have never thought of the person not willing to fight and only caring about ones personal safety was the weaker one but now after seeing it worded how you did it is an admirable fact... I prefer not to think of myself as the weaker one but sometimes I question if I did something to better myself or to protect me from harm may it be rejection, dislike, etc...
Patrick Henry said something similar to this John Stewart Mill quote .
"Pacifists are among the most immoral of men - they make no distinction between aggression and defense. Therefore, pacifism is one of the greatest allies an aggressor can have." (Patrick Henry)
Hmmm... you would actually think pacifists would be the bigger burden not deciding between running and cowerding or standing strong and loyal... indecissiveness I believe is the route to evil.
The human being is the ultimate manifestation. Man's life is, potentially, the greatest, most magnificent thing. Man's challenge is to fulfill that achievable potential by living his life heroically. A heroic man disciplines himself physically and mentally as if a warrior preparing himself for the greatest of battles. He thinks and acts in the way of a warrior to guide, by an impeccable code of ethics, his choices and actions towards conquering life's challenge, ultimately.
Man behaving heroically warrior to be all of human. I believe every human's life has this heroic potential to always aspire, accomplish and achieve anything. The history of men and their worlds give us countless recorded examples of this over and over. Time and time again. It is these heroically distinguished courages and abilities that brings mankind its leaders. Leaders who change the course of the world. Humans who rise, warriorly, to life's meant-to-be-meaningful, challenge to become, humanly, the best they can be so as to contribute, in turn, only the best back into the world in which they live. Making it the best -- All it can Worldly be.
We don't live in a world like that anymore. We don't trust, with all we are, that we live amongst people who act like this anymore. We live in an anti-mind, anti-truth, anti-disciplined, ant-hero and anti-leader world. We live in an anti-warrior world.
The human being is faced with one basic alternative -- To exist or not exist, to live or die. With life comes this unavoidable challenge to survive. No human being, no living thing can evade it. Survive or cease to live. A second choice does not exist. Not on earth. This is the human being's challenge.
I totally agree with everything you just said... We have lost who we were born to be and now we fall short of it... We are greedy but then weak. We have misplaced our responsibilities... we are suppose to be givening and strong examples to society. We have become cowardly and it is a very sad sight to see so much potential lost to a world of nothing...
Wow North Carolina must suck. That's not what's it's like where I live. Maybe you should move.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1099669
Humankind faces the broader challenge on a collective scale. Humankind would cease to exist if its human beings did not do what it takes so that it can survive. Existence, itself, challenges humankind and its human beings. Both, humankind and the human being will only survive if they think -- because thought works -- then act -- because action works. Every human being is born armed with these two weapons. He must use his mind and he must use his musle. To survive he must use them.
When the absolute alternative is to exist or not exist, survival's only way is to follow the truth. The primary truth is that the life of a thing living is its most important thing. Nothing is more important than the life, for all else important only comes from having life in the first place. Without life, the concept of impotance can not be known. Only life gives meaning to importance. Nothing is more empowering than knowing the importance of your life. A conviction to the knowledge that life is the primary importance empowers that life which one has -- that life which one lives.
For when we understand there is nothing more important than life, we understand there is nothing more important than the self. If the self doesn't give itself what it needs to subsist, nothing can be given of it or from it. We must first make important owning our own life. To possess the importance of a life is to own it. To own it is to run it. Some people give up the running of it to others, therefore they give up the owning of it. Warriors do not give up the ownership of their life.
What does this have to do with reading a bible in school?
No one else was was commenting so the OP and I changed the topic...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Is that acceptable for you?
It's good with me if it's good with everyone else haha... we talked bible talk until we decided to change to something else :-)
What's next?
I don't think kids should read the bible. There's too much violence and sex in it!
Did you read the bible when you were young?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ren6
Hello 10:Quote:
Originally Posted by 1099669
Children can read the Bible in school all they want during their free time. There just isn't any ORGANIZED Bible reading. But, hold on. Pretty soon there will be a course on the Bible taught in your local public school.
Texas has ordered text books for the course and Texas sets the educational standards of the nation... I don't know why.
excon
Mostly for the sexy parts... the catholic bible excludes "The Song of Solomon", because it's so sleazy. Fortunately, my big brother became a born again christian when I was thirteen, and he had a "King James" version. The violence is pretty horrendous, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1099669
I don't let my spiritual beliefs pull me around life by the nose. I use the Creator's gift that I am endowed with to deal effectively, successfully and happily with my life here on this Earth. I do not use the Creation of my life to make excusses; I use it as an empowerment. I don't pray for help; I pray for greater challenges. I didn't come into life owing anything to anyone and I certainly don't owe anything to anybody who will not use their OWN incredible Creation of life to do for themselves. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN ORIGINAL SIN. Morality for me does not come from a Bible; it comes from the nature of the being I am Created. After all, HE Created us just as we are long before the Bible was created
That's great news! Shouldn't bother you that youngsters aren't reading it in school, then. There's enough violence on t.v. without immersing them in yet more.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1099669
You are aware, aren't you, that those Bible courses are ELECTIVE? And they only deal with literature and history.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
As to why the Texas schoolbooks set standards, it is because we buy so many of them.
The argument over the Bible in school is merely a symptom of the revolution that is being waged in this country.
There is a minority here that wants to change our SECULAR government into an ATHEISTIC one.
Secular of course is NEUTRAL to religion while Atheist is anti-God, anti-Bible, and particularly anti-Christ.
So let me get this straight:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ren6
You'd rather have your kids emersed in the sight and surround-sound influence of the sexuality and violence of modern popular TV and film and video games and music than let them read a bible?
And you don't think that's a little backward?
Here's a thought:
I have seen lots of cases of "copycat violence" where kids or young adults have hurt people copying what they say in a film or TV show. One of the more famous cases was the case of the kids who lied down in the middle of a street and were run over by a truck when they copied a popular film in which the football team (I think) did the same thing. But there are many similar cases where violence from TV was acted out in real life.
I have never actually seen any kid commit an act of violence or sexuality because they were copying a scene from the bible. There's been a lot of violent acts committed in history over religion and religious belief, I'll be the first to admit. But I have never actually seen a case of violence via copying a scene from the Bible.
I question your conclusion in this case, friend.
Elliot
You're twisting my words. I don't think kids should be exposed to violence. The bible is chock full of nastiness- why expose them to it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
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