That used to be an extremely sarcastic line I would use when discussing the left's attituted about the war against the jihadists . And even though candidate Obama scoffed at the notion ;and indeed recently said
Now, do these folks deserve miranda rights? Do they deserve to be treated like a shoplifter down the block? Of course not.

Now we find out that indeed that is what he had in mind all along .

A Republican on the House Intelligence Committee,Rep. Mike Rogers, has told the press that the Obama administration has told the FBI “to start reading Miranda rights to suspected terrorists at U.S. military detention facilities in Afghanistan.”

Rogers is a former FBI agent who just came back from a fact finding mission to Afghanistan . He visited Bagram Air Base, where he said he witnessed rights being read to jihadists .

The sad part about this is that Andy McCarthy of National Review predicted this would happen and the McCain amendment to the 2005 Detainee Treatment Act would provide the next POTUS with the cover to make this move.
McCain & Miranda by Andrew C. McCarthy on National Review Online=

What's next ? Pro bono representation ? Is this part of Obama's greater "Global Justice Initiative " ?
FBI planning a bigger role in terrorism fight - Los Angeles Times

Move over Robert Gates . Eric Holder is taking the reigns .

Wasn't it you or Elliot that used to say we should focus more on what Bush does as opposed to what he says? Anyway, isn't it about time we all compare what Obama does with what he says? The flip-flops continue to mount.

We just discovered Obama has issued more signing statements than Bush had by this time after of course complaining of Bush's use of the same.

He has a habit of issuing policy directives late on Fridays so they get lost in the news dumps or secretly such as this, adding to his failure to uphold his promise of the most transparent administration ever.

More promises that have short expiration dates.

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A Republican on the House Intelligence Committee,Rep. Mike Rogers, has told the press that the Obama administration has told the FBI “to start reading Miranda rights to suspected terrorists at U.S. military detention facilities in Afghanistan.”

Rogers is a former FBI agent who just came back from a fact finding mission to Afghanistan . He visited Bagram Air Base, where he said he witnessed rights being read to jihadists

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Hello tom:

In fact the FBI is doing their work WITHOUT Obama telling them to. I know you don't like the idea that Gitmo is closing, and you keep on hoping it won't - but guess what? It WILL.

So, if it's closing, and we're going to try these criminals in criminal court, wouldn't you want the convictions to stick?? Or would you rather they be released on the streets? Or, would you rather pretend that the election DIDN'T happen?

I know, I know. You want us to do what the dufus was doing, and just throw these people away forever. You don't seem to care whether they DID anything or not. That isn't the American way. Treating people like that is the terrorist way.

excon

Even you have to recognize how ridiculous this is .

No ;the FBI agents Rep Rogers interviewed said they were instructed to Mirandize and they were damn uncomfortable about it according to the interview he gave yesterday.
The Obama adm does not deny it either .

This is not GITMO... it is the detention center in Afghanistan where prisoners captured in the battle are held . We will not be bringing them back here for trial... I take it back.. maybe now we will be . But in our history it is unpecidented that we are confiring due process rights to prisoners of war... let alone illegal combattants .

This is worse than the wall of separation that prevented intel needed to prevent 9-11 from reaching the FBI.. This is the FBI doing the job of the CIA and the military intelligence . How can you gather actionable intel in a timely manner if you are advising the prisoner that they can shut up and ask for a lawyer ? What's next ? One telephone call ? Maybe our troops will need a court order before they conduct operations ? This is beyond absurd.

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Wasn't it you or Elliot that used to say we should focus more on what Bush does as opposed to what he says? Anyway, isn't it about time we all compare what Obama does with what he says? The flip-flops continue to mount.

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It was I who said it, and I agree with you.

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Actually yes.

The Miranda rights are as follows:

• You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney present during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you. Do you understand these rights?

That would mean that if the POW cannot afford an attorney of his own, we would be required to appoint one for him at taxpayer expense. If we are granting Miranda Rights, then we are granting free legal representation.

Sick, isn't it.

Hey, excon, to use your own words, you must be getting wood over this.

Elliot

Remember how Obama was supposed to repair our image abroad? The British are furious over his releasing 4 Uighurs in Bermuda.

And, of course, once in a civilian court, a good lawyer can argue that the defendant didn't fully realize what he was doing, was duped by others. Or due to his strongly held religious beliefs didn't believe that killing Americans was a criminal act.

Remember that to convict for murder, you must prove premeditation and have an understanding of what you are doing. (Is that close to right?)

Hello again,

Actually, I think Mirandizing POW'S isn't something we should do. I was just testing...

excon

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Hello again,

Actually, I think Mirandizing POW'S isn't something we should do. I was just testing...

excon

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Having a Letterman moment? :D

ET I think the Miranda reading needs revision.

YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO PLAN THE DEATHS OF HUNDREDS AND REMAIN SILENT.Anything you say will be considered a coerced confession not applicable in either prosecution ; tribunal or trial in continental United States in the 9th Ciurcus district ;or as justification for followup military action . You have the right to an ACLU attorney ;an amnesty International activist,an International Red Cross representative and a reporter from MSNBC present during questioning.All your representation will be courtesy of the United States taxpayer ,and you will be guaranteed roomy cells and lemon glazed chicken or simular dining fare at every meal.You have the right to interact with other inmates for the purpose of recruitment and all necessary recruiting literature will be provided by an in house radical cleric.

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ET I think the Miranda reading needs revision.

YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO PLAN THE DEATHS OF HUNDREDS AND REMAIN SILENT.Anything you say will be considered a coerced confession not applicable in either prosecution ; tribunal or trial in continental United States in the 9th Ciurcus district ;or as justification for followup military action . You have the right to an ACLU attorney ;an amnesty International activist,an International Red Cross representative and a reporter from MSNBC present during questioning.All your representation will be courtesy of the United States taxpayer ,and you will be guaranteed roomy cells and lemon glazed chicken or simular dining fare at every meal.You have the right to interact with other inmates for the purpose of recruitment and all necessary recruiting literature will be provided by an in house radical cleric.

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Well done, Tom. That pretty much sums it up.

Elliot

If only liberals cared about rights for crime victims and wrongfully accused people as much as they care about rights for criminals and terrorists.

If only conservatives cared about their fellow man instead of dabbling in repressed homosexuality and racism.

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Well done, Tom. That pretty much sums it up.

Elliot

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Are you guys finished with your ritual D!*k-beating and masturbational reinforcement thread?

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Are you guys finnished with your ritual D!*k-beating and masturbational reinforcement thread?

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LOL! Touché!

Skell as is so often the case you add a lot to the debate.

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Skell as is so often the case you add alot to the debate.

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Debate? Have you looked at your "question"?

Feel free to offer a counter point.

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Skell as is so often the case you add alot to the debate.

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Sorry tom. I was only quoting your revered Elliot from a previous thread. Having a bit of a laugh actually.

I apologise if that is below you tom. I'll make sure to stick to point from now on. Oh hang on, sounds as though my points don't seem to add to the debates anyway... I might as well be the one to go and have a pull then... More fun than you guys anyway!

Actually I thought your point was crude and borderline inappropriate .

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Funny how you didn't say that when ET first posted those words. Right here:
Ask Me Help Desk - View Single Post - Random thoughts
You posted just under that one. Weird...

I did not recall that posting . Possibly because his comments were not directed at me and more likely because he followed it up with content relevant to the posting .

But you reply all the time to postings not directed at you. All the time.
I don't buy your explanation. Skell was dead on with the parody of ET's words - it applies big time.

I don't care what you think

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You may be attributing something that is not there.:)

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You may be attributing something that is not there.:)

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Nice comment from such a good christian.

Yep, I did use those words.

You'll also notice that I followed that with a direct response to what had been posted before.

Skell didn't. All he did was quote me.

Which just makes me question his creativity AND his inability to answer the points themselves.

Elliot

Love to dish it out boys but don't like to cop it. Little humour too much for you.

I'd love to have a beer with you one day at my local pub... It'd be laugh a minute..

Oh and sorry Elliot if my creativity isn't up to scratch. This coming from the man who in a previous gun debate copied and pasted large chunks of a wikipedia page, completely un-referenced. Also, I have a job so I don't have all day to sit around thinking up my own insults. I generally try to be respectful even if I don't agree.

I actually thought you and tom weren't so bad. But it seems as though you are actually like how many others here perceive you guys...

Ah... Skell... at least you are becoming a bit more creative. Wrong... but creative.

As far as my supposedly copying and pasting Wikipedia... as I explained there, no I didn't. I went to the original documents used by Wikipedia and cited THOSE sources. I used Wikipedia's bibliography as a starting point for my own research, but I cited the original works... the primary sources, not the secondary source.

Elliot

Oh that's right... ;)

Just to expand on my creativity. I tend to steer clear of getting into detail about US policies (e.g. health care etc.), as to argue the detail with you guys would be plain silly. I just read all the posts and learn a little. I only contribute when I see what I perceive as failings in people's argument. After all how can I tell you what's best for YOUR healthcare?

I've even given up on the guns issue. I don't agree with your viewpoint, but I see that it's a different culture, different mindset altogether. And besides, Im not going to try and stop you blokes from blowing each others brains out :)