Hello:

Well, it's working. In response, Obama is acting more and more like the dufus. It should give you righty's wood.

He caved on the release of more torture photos. Obama sounded positively Rumsfeldian in his insistence that releasing the photos could hurt the troops. That's exactly what Rumsfeld's Pentagon said when the last batch of Abu Ghraib photos ran in 2006. To my knowledge, there was no backlash against American soldiers.

For the first time in his presidency, I had the feeling that Obama was lying in his remarks on the photos - once when he said the new images "are not particularly sensational, especially when compared to the painful images that we remember from Abu Ghraib, and again when he insisted "the individuals who were involved have been identified, and appropriate actions have been taken." That is a flat-out lie.

Maybe he is Carter.

excon

I am interested in seeing the photos of the insensitive NY fly over.

It is also interesting that Obama changed his website on supporting gay marriage over how the beauty pagent girl and Trump handled things.

As far as the torture photos, Pelosi and others knew all along AND approved so that is the bottom line on why they are backing down.

Obama on the surface would appear to be reading scripture.
1 Corinthians 13:11When I was a child, I spoke like a child, thought like a child, and reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up my childish ways.

But from a political calculation he has already done the damage he intended just by being public about there being more photos .

Now he can appear to be above it all .

When the ACLU wins in court and some lefty judge orders the release of the photos ; he can do a Pontius Pilot act and wash his hands of it.

Hello again, Saph:

Here it is. But, it's not as good as the torture ones.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/member...ure313-fly.jpg

Obama sucks. Cheney has successfully coopted his successor... From extending and deepening the war in Afghanistan, to suppressing evidence of rampant and widespread abuse and torture of prisoners under Bush, to thuggishly threatening the British with intelligence cut-off if they reveal the brutal torture inflicted on Binyam Mohamed, Obama now has new cheer-leaders: Bill Kristol, Michael Goldfarb and Max Boot...

As the Wolverine would say, Sickening...

excon

That pic was just to appease.
I can't believe they spent $35,000 in fuel alone for the lame pictures. They are not telling us the real story.

More people are starting to see Obamas true colors.
What happened to NOT even ONE American solider should die in war? Now the war is kept quiet compared to when Bush was President.
I don't even hear them talking much on ending it completely like they were crying about before.

Let me come to Obama's defense (sorta) over the photos.

The stunt was irresponsible in the fact that the reaction by NYers was not calculated.

However ,the money issue is a bit of a canard. There are about 3 Airforce One jets in use and their pilots ,like all pilots ,need the flying time to stay sharp. Regardless of where they go ;they still fly ,and it costs us $$ every time they do.

It has been common practice for these photo-ops to occure. They print them for people who fly in Air Force One as souvenirs ,sometimes signed by the President . The problem was in the miscommunication ;not the flyover.

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That pic was just to appease.
I can't believe they spent $35,000 in fuel alone for the lame pictures. They are not telling us the real story.

More people are starting to see Obamas true colors.
What happened to NOT even ONE American solider should die in war? Now the war is kept quiet compared to when Bush was President.
I don't even hear them talking much on ending it completely like they were crying about before.

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NH you have to realize that the media is in bed with the Dems so it behooves them be keep quiet. While on the other hand they were the attack dogs of the Dem party when the Repubs were in orifice. So again it behoove them to make as much about nothing to get their person elected. So that they could again enjoy the prestige and power that they wheeled 50 years ago. Sadly they do not realize that it is their political views that are driving them to extinction.

Yeah they do need the air time but with 911 and all I would say it was irresponsible and insensitive BUT I say for that there should be some awesome photos rather than what they have come up with so far.

Yes that is true . Anyone doing photo work for the tourism industry and a decent digital camera could've done a much better job. They had some top gun in a fighter jet taking these shots.

Regarding the "torture " photos . I still maintain the President hedged his bets. He did not make an executive order to not release them .

I expect some OBOT will leak them in a few weeks AFTER the President returns safely from Egypt.

Can't a judge rule and make them release the pictures? Seems to me Obama is afraid of catching some backlash for it. If a judge rules to release the pictures Obama can just say Hey wasn't me.

I am studying the time line now . I think a judge did order them released under FOIA .Obama was not going to fight the release but is now listening to the recommendations of his military to not release them.(not Cheney as is being alleged here)

They were due to be released by May 28.Obama is due to speak in Egypt on June 4 in what is intended to be a landmark address to the Muslim world.
I think the timing of this is the real factor in his decision.

Hello again:

Obama decided NOT to appeal the initial FOIA ruling that ordered him to release the photos in the first place. Now, he changed his mind, and IS going to file an appeal.

He'll LOSE the appeal because he's bringing up stuff in his appeal that wasn't brought up before the trial court, and you can't do that. It's a lot of legal mumbo jumbo, but suffice to say, he'll LOSE. I don't know if he KNEW this and is trying to look good, or what?

I just don't like the flip flopping. But, YES, you will see the photos.

excon

I think he is just trying to look good.

Also in the flip flop category is the decision to move "the worse of the worse " in GITMO like KSM to locations inside the US

BUT they will be held indefinitely without trial, tribunal, hearing or resolution.

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Hello:

Well, it's working. In response, Obama is acting more and more like the dufus. It should give you righty's wood.

He caved on the release of more torture photos. Obama sounded positively Rumsfeldian in his insistence that releasing the photos could hurt the troops. That's exactly what Rumsfeld's Pentagon said when the last batch of Abu Ghraib photos ran in 2006. To my knowledge, there was no backlash against American soldiers.

For the first time in his presidency, I had the feeling that Obama was lying in his remarks on the photos - once when he said the new images "are not particularly sensational, especially when compared to the painful images that we remember from Abu Ghraib, and again when he insisted "the individuals who were involved have been identified, and appropriate actions have been taken." That is a flat-out lie.

Maybe he is Carter.

Excon

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THIS is the first time you think he was lying?

Where have you been?

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We can no longer accept a process that doles out earmarks based on a member of Congress’ seniority, rather than the merit of the project. We can no longer accept an earmarks process that has become so complicated to navigate that a municipality or non-profit group has to hire high-priced D.C. lobbyists to do it. And we can no longer accept an earmarks process in which many of the projects being funded fail to address the real needs of our country.
--------- Barack Obama, March 2008

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Uh... yeah. And then he passes a bill with 9,000 earmarks.

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"There is no disagreement that we need action by our government, a recovery plan that will help to jumpstart the economy."
Obama on January 9, 2009

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Just one problem... there's a petition that says otherwise:
http://www.cato.org/special/stimulus...o_stimulus.pdf

There are 250+ people on that page that disagreed with Obama.

I could go on, but I think you get my point.

One thing for sure we will see the photos before we ever see a real Obama birth certificate

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Sad but true.

I think that it is an absolute shame, I'm sorry if I offend anyone, that the people were so eager for an African American president that they were unable to look past the skin. I have a feeling that in the end this president will only serve to disgrace his people instead of elevating them. I'm sure there are many other decent African American men out there who actually have a brain between their ears (I can see how Obama's fell out now that I think about it. ;)), who could have done the nation proud as the first black president had America only had the patience for him to step forward. Now what should be a proud moment is going to be glossed over in shame by the man they gave the prestigious title of "First African American President" to.

I hear African Americans complaining that it is a racial thing against Obama but I know many people, even conservatives, are fine with an African American---Just not Obama.
It isn't a racial thing with the average American. In fact many of the Republican Christian's that are against Obama DID vote for Obama.

Exactly, I hear you nohelp. I'm not against an African American president, I'm against Obama as a person. Obama is seeming to be more grey the black with all of these hidden and shady issues wrapped around him.

Well we have a little over 3 more years, lets hope the people see him for what he's worth as a person and not just what race he is before the next election. I know for a fact that in these parts the majority of people only voted for him for his race. When asked why do you support Obama you either got blank stares, "Cause we need a black man in the white house", "I gotta represent you know.", or "Cuz Mcain is stupid." okay I agree with the last one. We got a terrible choice of idiots this time around. I'm not trying to be racist, these are genuine answers. What can you expect though, when the media was doing noting but spitting out Obama pictures on the cover of every magazine. I bet everything I have that if he had been a white man then he wouldn't have received even a third of the attention and he probably would have not been elected.

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"Cuz Mcain is stupid." okay I agree with the last one. We got a terrible choice of idiots this time around.

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I know that that was one excuse used by many people who voted for Obama. But I fail to see how voting for McCain could possibly have created a WORSE situation than we have now. I know that Dems would love to blame the current $1.8 trillion budget deficit or the $10 trillion increase in national debt on Bush, but it was Obama who pushed these things. He quadrupled the deficit, doubled the national debt, and is already talking about additional spending... and he accomplished it in less than 4 months in office.

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I know that that was one excuse used by many people who voted for Obama. But I fail to see how voting for McCain could possibly have created a WORSE situation than we have now. I know that Dems would love to blame the current $1.8 trillion budget deficit or the $10 trillion increase in national debt on Bush, but it was Obama who pushed these things. He quadrupled the deficit, doubled the national debt, and is already talking about additional spending... and he accomplished it in less than 4 months in office.

Elliot

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Bingo
Everybody was so caught up with CHANGE
They thought switching sides was the only chance for change.
NOW we have change
At our expense.

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Well we have a little over 3 more years, lets hope the people see him for what he's worth as a person and not just what race he is before the next election. I

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In truth Silverfoxkit is that we have less than two years to get rid of the real problems in Washington. If congress was to have a radical face change we could make Nobama a lame duck for his last two years.

Or we can start hurling rocks with a catapult.

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One thing for sure we will see the photos before we ever see a real Obama birth certificate

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Any other conspiracy theory you would like to share with us.

I don't think it is relevant but I'd like Obama to release it since he has nothing to hide :

Back to the subject . I alluded to his "on the job training in my first reply to this posting . Today in American Spectator Andrew Cline makes a similar point :

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President Obama's decision not to release photos of detainees abused while in U.S. custody in Iraq and Afghanistan is potentially representative of an important change in the way this administration handles politically sensitive subjects.
Until very recently, the president has displayed a tendency to make decisions on weighty matters by instinct. For all of his hyped "thoughtfulness," as president, Obama has been less than intellectual in his approach.
When it came to crafting a stimulus bill, the White House could hardly be bothered to check the details. That was left to the Democratic leadership in the House. The president was Billy Mays, out there selling the thing with a huge smile and a glimmer in his eye. But unlike Mays, he hadn't even tested the product he was pitching. In fact, he pitched it before he even saw it.
The president announced major decisions on stem cell research and abortion funding as if he were announcing that he'd decided to have soup for lunch instead of a sandwich. There was not even an attempt to show that serious thought had gone into the matters. The stated reasoning behind the stem cell decision was so convoluted that clearly no serious thought had gone into it, other than to pick the right political jargon.
The president's knee-jerk reaction on AIG bonuses was so ridiculous that he had to take it back almost immediately.
But lately, it seems that we've begun to see a shift away from the instantaneous application of reactionary liberal positions and toward a more pragmatic approach.
The General Motors bailout, which started as shoot-from-the-hip leftism, was the second instance of Obama's, shall we say, more nuanced governing.. .

On the issue of detainee treatment, the president released CIA memos that described particular interrogation techniques. It was a knee-jerk liberal reaction, and a costly one. It was costly to the United States and costly to the president politically. It was joined by another knee-jerk decision: to release photos of abused detainees.
Tellingly, Obama decided to release the detainee photos before he had even seen them, according to news reports. That's not the sign of a thoughtful executive. But after the scolding he got on the CIA memos, he seems to have given the issue some actual consideration. As a result, he reversed course and decided to keep the photos sealed.

"The publication of these photos would not add any additional benefit to our understanding of what was carried out in the past by a small number of individuals," he said. "In fact, the most direct consequence of releasing them, I believe, would be to further inflame anti-American opinion and to put our troops in greater danger."

The exact same thing could have been said of the CIA memos. In that case, the president doesn't seem to have given his decision a great deal of consideration. Perhaps he did. He supposedly listened to a lot of advice on the matter. But his decision was the same as it would have been had he listened to no one.

The start of this pragmatic trend probably was the rescue of ship captain Richard Phillips. Clearly, Obama's instinct was not to use deadly force. He waited two days after the kidnapping before he authorized the Navy to kill the pirates. His decision was a pragmatic one reached via deliberation, not gut reaction. It not only worked, it was politically beneficial as well.

Perhaps these decisions signal the beginning of Obama's slow transition from candidate to president. As a candidate, Obama was free to indulge in all sorts of moral posturing. Shipping jobs overseas is bad! Government secrecy, even on national security matters, is bad! Shooting our enemies instead of talking to them is bad! As president, he is finding that reality is not so black and white. If it helps save a company, outsourcing is beneficial. If it will protect our national security, keeping secrets is a good idea. If our enemies are pointing guns at us and refusing to listen, shooting them hardly makes us barbaric.
Maybe these are just isolated incidents that don't signify a trend. But let's hope they do. A pragmatic Obama engages that much-touted brain more than an ideological Obama does. Which means that he makes much better decisions.

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The American Spectator : Obama Gets Pragmatic

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All right, all right I just have to ask. Was that random joke or a reference to my sig?

Lol I was an altar boy in the old days .

N0, I can't believe your still clinging to the birth certificate issue or the NY flyover for that matter. Granted I'm a yank, and the NY thing was a little silly but is it really worth fretting over still?

I find it ridiculous and trivial in comparison to the real issues you guys have at hand. But for you that sensationalised news still clutters your head.

Time to realign the thought processes I think.

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N0, I can't believe your still clinging to the birth certificate issue or the NY flyover for that matter. Granted im a yank, and the NY thing was a little silly but is it really worth fretting over still?

I find it ridiculous and trivial in comparison to the real issues you guys have at hand. But for you that sensationalised news still clutters your head.

Time to realign the thought processes i think.

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When you don't have real issues to talk about, I guess you hang on to grabage like the birth certificate, I bet if obama was white a southern accent you would not been asking him about his birth certificate

Hahahaha... I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you, just to clarify. That kind of immature thinking is what created the problem to begin with by putting this man into office.

The big picture here isn't race or accent, as previously stated if you had bothered to actually read previous posts, but Obama himself, as a person and his actions.
Truth is if Obama was a white southern guy as you said then he would very likely have not been elected at all.

I'd be just as happy with a black president if that president was competent.

[QUOTE=Silverfoxkit;1736216].
Truth is if Obama was a white southern guy as you said then he would very likely have not been elected at all.
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So you are saying that his race had something to do with him winning the election?? HAHAHHAHA. The one who laugh's last laugh's...

Yes, sadly his race did have something to do with his winning the election, very much so. That fact is undeniable. It certainly wasn't because of his past experience or other qualifications.

Him being black may have played largely in his favor for winning but it isn't what makes him a bad president, it is him as a person.

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Yes, sadly his race did have something to do with his winning the election, very much so. That fact is undeniable. It certainly wasn't becuase of his past experience or other qualifications.

Him being black may have played largely in his favor for winning but it isn't what makes him a bad president, it is him as a person.

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Most people voted for him because he was a better canditate than mc cain, if you think the only reason he won was because he was black then you need to get off that rush limba cool aid.

Here is some more . Polls showed that during the democratic primary Obama significantly trailed Hillary Clinton among black voters.WHAT BLACK PEOPLE WON'T VOTE FOR A BLACK CANDIDATE, this is going to be a real surprise to you.LOL.hahah

Perhaps in some areas that may be true but the large majority of black people in my area did vote for him, when asked why most of them had no logical reason other then his race.

Would you be supporting him so much yourself if he was not black? If he really was a southern white guy? Answer truly. Considering all of the facts, would you still support him and why?

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Perhaps in some areas that may be true but the large majority of black people in my area did vote for him, when asked why most of them had no logical reason other then his race.

Would you be supporting him so much yourself if he was not black? If he really was a southern white guy? Answer truly. Considering all of the facts, would you still support him and why?

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Err yes, I voted for bush the first time round and would have voted for ron paul this time around.Race is not an issue for me, by the looks of it it seems like it is a huge issue for you.The majority of black people in your area, really . What you are doing here is called generalization , look it up.

I'm not generalizing. I asked a large number of people personally. The fact is that out of the people I asked most African Americans supported Obama. Some of them did not but the majority did.

I am personally not much of a fan of either choices, however due to my own personally beliefs I am more inclined towards Mcain. I wish there had been better candidates for both parties.

I am getting quite tired of you accusing me of being racist. Anytime anybody has a problem with Obama too many people instantly try and throw that card out there.

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I'm not generalizing. I asked a large number of people personally. The fact is that out of the people I asked most African Americans supported Obama. Some of them did not but the majority did.

I am personally not much of a fan of either choices, however due to my own personally beliefs I am more inclined towards Mcain. I wish there had been better candidates for both parties.

I am getting quite tired of you accusing me of being racist. Anytime anybody has a problem with Obama too many people instantly try and throw that card out there.

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I asked a lot of people when I went to kkk meeting if they were racist and they all said they hated black people hence I believe that all white people hate black people.

Now do you see the absurdity of your logic

What does the kkk have to do with anything exactly?

I simply struck up conversation with people who came into the store I worked at about who they wanted for president and why. I will even admit perhaps some areas were more influenced by race then others.

If you truly believe that race was absolutely no factor in this election then you are a fool.