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  • Jan 24, 2009, 01:41 PM
    George_1950
    Is it time for Americans to take to the streets?
    "Icelandic government becomes first to be brought down by the credit crunch." Further, "After several nights of rioting over the financial crisis, Prime Minister Geir Haarde, surrendered to increasing pressure and called a general election for May."
    Icelandic government becomes first to be brought down by the credit crunch | Mail Online
  • Jan 24, 2009, 02:45 PM
    biguy49
    We just had a general election and look what WE got!
  • Jan 25, 2009, 03:15 AM
    tomder55
    Europe it appears is in worse shape (so far) . AP is reporting that the EU may become a casualty.
    Quote:

    Latvia, Lithuania and Bulgaria have suffered street clashes amid a toxic brew of sagging economies and local concerns in recent days. In Greece, Athens was rocked again Thursday by another riot following a protest against an attack on a trade unionist. …
    So far, Europe's major economies have escaped unrest, but the European Commission has indicated that it is keeping a close eye on developments. The International Monetary Fund's managing director Dominque Strauss-Kahn of France told the BBC earlier this week that more unrest could occur almost anywhere. “It can be in my own country (France), it can be in U.K. it can be Germany, it can be in eastern Europe,” he said. …
    “Adjustment in the overvalued euro economies (Italy grossly, Spain moderately) will be much more painful, and Italy's possible exit from the euro augurs for years of crisis,” said Charles Dumas, an analyst at Lombard Street Research.
    The Associated Press: Crisis weighs ever heavier in Europe

    Just can't figure out why the public would be losing confidence in leadership who's imagination consists of throwing more money at the problem !

    Europe of course is the canary in the mine for the US . Our new POTUS has thoughts of a Fabian state here expedited by Executive Order.When he sees the receding tide sea level drop it won't be reversing climate change.It will be the precursor to the tsunami.
  • Jan 25, 2009, 03:40 AM
    artlady

    That's horrible. My prayers and thoughts for all those innocents affected.
    If only I had more power.. I could change the world.
  • Jan 25, 2009, 04:39 AM
    tomder55

    Evidently China has been hit by riots also.

    China fears riots will spread as boom goes sour | World news | The Observer
  • Jan 25, 2009, 04:50 AM
    NeedKarma
    Show the way George, create the uprising and take to arms!
  • Jan 25, 2009, 05:09 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by George_1950 View Post
    Is it time for Americans to take to the streets?

    Hello George:

    YOU BETCHA!!

    But, wait a minute... Who are we going to be demonstrating against?? WHAT are we going to be demonstrating for??

    Dude, I'm all for demonstrating... I LOVE a parade... I LOVE to show my disdain for the status quo... Dissent IS patriotic, isn't it?? (Unless, of course, you're demonstrating against the war in Iraq... THEN you're a traitor... snicker, snicker)

    By the way, what did you think about those gay people who demonstrated against Prop 8 in California... I'll bet you looked at them with disgust, all prancing around in pink tights and stuff...

    So, I'm all ready to take to the streets... But, before I do, who are we mad at again??

    excon
  • Jan 25, 2009, 03:05 PM
    galveston

    There aren't enough Americans left (on either side) with the spines to take to the streets for ANYTHING and accomplish their goals.
    Not even a general labor strike, which should be peaceful enough.
  • Jan 26, 2009, 06:21 AM
    tomder55

    Dissent is no longer patriotic . It's now very important that “we all come together.”
  • Jan 26, 2009, 06:42 AM
    George_1950
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Dissent is no longer patriotic . It's now very important that “we all come together.”

    Huh?

    "Mr Obama has told Republicans in Washington to stop listening to the right-wing talk show host Rush Limbaugh, risking a new culture war with conservative voters...

    "After less than a week in office, Mr Obama's presidency is already encountering the very partisan bickering he had pledged to stamp out during his first 100 days.

    "He faces mounting criticism over his $825 billion economic stimulus plan, from Republican leaders who say the legislation has been drawn up without the input which Mr Obama had promised to allow them.

    "The president responded with a clear signal that he is prepared to ram the bill through without the bipartisan consensus he promised to construct, telling Republican leaders from the House of Representatives: "I won. I'm the president."
    Barack Obama picks a fight with Rush Limbaugh as bipartisan spirit crumbles - Telegraph
  • Jan 26, 2009, 07:01 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by George_1950 View Post
    "Mr Obama has told Republicans in Washington to stop listening to the right-wing talk show host Rush Limbaugh, risking a new culture war with conservative voters...

    Hello again, George:

    I don't know. It was the limp one who said that he wanted Obama to "fail"! I heard him. Sounds like Limprod is continuing the culture war, no? Wouldn't you tell people NOT to listen to him, if you were Obama?? I think you would...

    I'm not sure WHICH input you think the Republicans should have. A major part of the stimulus package includes TAX CUTS. Isn't THAT good enough?? I think it's a pretty magnanimus gesture towards the right. Specially, since he DID win.

    excon

    PS> I remember a fella by the name of Tom DeLay. They called him the hammer didn't they?? Did HE ram through stuff for Bush?? He DID. Did he make ANY magnanimus gestures toward the Dems?? Yes, he did - WITH HIS MIDDLE FINGER!

    Poor, poor Republicans... Your memory is soooo short..
  • Jan 26, 2009, 07:02 AM
    NeedKarma
    Rush doesn't even believe what he says, he's in it for the money. Anyone who listens to him is having the wool pulled over their eyes.
  • Jan 26, 2009, 07:53 AM
    tomder55

    Correct . Rush is an entertainer .He doesn't take this stuff serious at all.
    Remember the "fake troops " flap ? Harry Reid went nuts and fired off a letter demanding an apology for the troops . Rush instead auctioned off the letter on E-Bay for charitible donation for the troops . It went for over $1million,which Rush matched dollar for dollar .

    It's amazing that the Dems take him so seriously... actually no it isn't . Now that they don't have Karl Rove and Cheney they need a face to pin as evil .
  • Jan 26, 2009, 07:55 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    correct . Rush is an entertainer .He doesn't take this stuff serious at all. ...It's amazing that the Dems take him so seriously .....actually no it isn't . Now that they don't have Karl Rove and Cheney they need a face to pin as evil .

    He foster hatred and divisiness, why wouldn't anyone want him stifled?
  • Jan 26, 2009, 08:02 AM
    tomder55

    No more so than any of the Air America personalities.
  • Jan 26, 2009, 10:24 AM
    George_1950

    Let's not digress. Isn't it interesting that East Europeans are protesting about their countries' return to 'the era of big government', when that era just expired less than 20 years ago? People have a right to express their opinions on socialism, arising from either the back door or front door, do they not?
  • Jan 26, 2009, 10:53 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by George_1950 View Post
    Isn't it interesting that East Europeans are protesting about their countries' return to 'the era of big government

    Hello again, George:

    Is THAT what you think they're mad at?? Dude! They're not angry about the FIX. They're bummed that it got broke.

    excon
  • Jan 26, 2009, 11:29 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    He foster hatred and divisiness, why wouldn't anyone want him stifled?

    Spoken like someone who has never actually heard Rush and probably thinks Keith Olbermann is a voice of reason.
  • Jan 26, 2009, 12:00 PM
    George_1950
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    ...why wouldn't anyone want him stifled?

    Will you define, "stifled", and how you would see this done, considering the First Amendment and that heretofore, the U.S. is primarily a country of private property rights and free enterprise?
  • Jan 26, 2009, 12:09 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Spoken like someone who has never actually heard Rush and probably thinks Keith Olbermann is a voice of reason.

    Early video of Limbaugh:



    He doesn't give a crap about his content. He just wants to spew crap to foster outrage and ratings.

    More:
  • Jan 26, 2009, 12:16 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by George_1950 View Post
    Will you define, "stifled", and how you would see this done, considering the First Amendment and that heretofore, the U.S. is primarily a country of private property rights and free enterprise?

    You're right. He is allowed to speak his opinion. It's just a business.
  • Jan 26, 2009, 12:24 PM
    George_1950
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    ...It's just a business.

    You mean, "The business of America is business"?
  • Jan 26, 2009, 12:35 PM
    NeedKarma
    No I mean he spews crap for ratings.
  • Jan 26, 2009, 01:35 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    No I mean he spews crap for ratings.

    You fell right into the trap there, NK. Your little Youtube videos don't support your contention he just fosters "hatred and divisiness" and "spews crap." It just shows how little you actually know about the man and what he says.
  • Jan 26, 2009, 03:23 PM
    NeedKarma
    Well if he a hero of yours then I don't know what to say.
  • Jan 26, 2009, 04:01 PM
    galveston
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, George:

    Is THAT what you think they're mad at???? Dude! They're not angry about the FIX. They're bummed that it got broke.

    excon

    Fix? What Fix? You seem to be under the mistaken impression that what is wrong can be fixed by throwing truck loads of money at the problem.

    You should really change that "Kool Aid" quote of yours.
  • Jan 26, 2009, 04:04 PM
    galveston

    So Rush wants Obama's policies to fail. Given the fact that he has come down squarely on the side of death, perversion, censorship, and Keynesian economic policy, I think you will find a lot of people in this country that would like to see his policies fail.
  • Jan 26, 2009, 04:05 PM
    450donn

    Thank God! This bickering is really getting out of hand.
    Congress has run this country into the ground starting back in about 1976 when that peanut farmer signed a bill promoting housing loans to people that did not have a prayer of paying for. Then in about 1992 the next "I didn't inhale" and his even dumber janet reno forced the lending institutions to further reduce their lending requirements for people. Thereby allowing more junk loans to come on the market. Now, you have those really badly run federal businesses freddy and fanny who lied through their corporate teeth to pad the bottom line for hugh bonesus for the execs. All with the over site of the likes of barnie frank, nancy pelosi, harry reid and the rest of congress. NOW they are again pulling the dollar signs over the eyes of americans telling them that they need a trillion dollars to fix the problem that they created in the first place. All of this money of course with no accountability and a new treasury secretary that is sooo smart he cannot even pay his own taxes! Yea, we are in a new era in Washington all right!

    If you can believe that I have a bridge in San Francisco to sell you real cheep!
  • Jan 26, 2009, 07:19 PM
    biguy49

    What I find frightening is that the president is going after a citizen, so he is a talk show ( SHOW! ) host, he is entitled to his opinion! Don't like what he says, DON'T listen! What will be next, jack booted thugs ( speech police ) coming to your door for improper speech!
  • Jan 27, 2009, 07:23 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Well if he a hero of yours then I don't know what to say.

    Since he isn't a hero of mine maybe you can think of something.
  • Jan 27, 2009, 07:30 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by biguy49 View Post
    What will be next, jack booted thugs ( speech police ) coming to your door for improper speech!

    Hello big:

    Yes. Obama has started the United States Jack Booted Thug Agency for Non Conforming Speech. They're under Homeland Security. They'll be stationed at Fox and the limp ones studio.

    Only LIBERAL speech is going to be allowed from here on in.

    excon
  • Jan 27, 2009, 03:15 PM
    galveston
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello big:

    Yes. Obama has started the United States Jack Booted Thug Agency for Non Conforming Speech. They're under Homeland Security. They'll be stationed at Fox and the limp ones studio.

    Only LIBERAL speech is gonna be allowed from here on in.

    excon

    You think you're joking, right? You ARE joking aren't you?

    Maybe not!
  • Jan 27, 2009, 04:03 PM
    tomder55

    Why not ? I see a European model of hate speech and censorship coming down the 'pike .Just ask Geert Wilders in Holland .

    Oh I don't see the "fairness doctrine" happening because the libs would be censored also . Instead they plan on breaking up syndication and "monopolies" like Westwood One .They will initiate a local content ruling where stations will be obliged to air local content that covers a "diverse " cross section of the communities.
    Obama radio critic finds talk show time slashed
    This may have been the 1st salvo this year but as I recall ,radio hosts were getting a lot of flap over their opposition to "the chosen" during the campaign.
    Henry Rivera, a former commissioner of the FCC will head PresidentObama's FCC transition team. He will ultimately replace a retiring Republican and give the FCC a Democrat majority . At that point the assault on free speech will really begin.
  • Jan 28, 2009, 11:34 AM
    tomder55

    As for Rush wanting President Obama to fail I refer you to this 2001 editorial by MSM pundit EJ Dionne... before President Bush was even sworn in.

    Editorials & Opinion | Democrats begin waiting for George W. Bush to fail | Seattle Times Newspaper


    Quote:

    Among Democrats, there are two views as to how to pull this off now. The popular view is the one that looks to Bush making mistakes and, perhaps, to an economic downturn that will make swing voters long for the days of Democratic prosperity under Clinton.
  • Jan 28, 2009, 12:08 PM
    speechlesstx
    Speaking of Rush, the Dems have followed Obama's lead in telling people not to listen to him and fired another salvo his way with a stupid petition. Here's the link where all the free speech advocates can tell Rush to shut up. Rush's response to all this?

    Quote:

    Your publication and website have documented Obama's ties to the teachings of Saul Alinksy while he was community organizing in Chicago. Rule 13 of Alinksy’s "Rules for Radicals":

    “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
  • Jan 28, 2009, 12:41 PM
    tomder55

    The last time they tried this Harry Reid sent Rush a letter because Rush had made some comments about " fake soldiers " that the Dems took out of content.

    Rush put the letter on E-Bay and raised over $ 1 million.. that he matched dollar for dollar and contributed to the Marine Corp Foundation.
  • Jan 28, 2009, 03:37 PM
    speechlesstx

    The Dems are hosting a blog with their petition drive with comments that are far more offensive than what Rush says. Typical ain't it?
  • Jan 28, 2009, 03:52 PM
    Nestorian

    K, I'm not really sure what you are all on about, but I think it has to do with "freedom of Speech"?

    Freedom is a tricky word, because with freedom comes responsibility. One way or another you will face the consequences of your actions, good or bad. If you are not responsible, then freedom will crumble under what ever stresses are upon it.

    Question: Are we free?

    Peace and kindness.

    P.S. Sorry, I know it's more of a Philosophical question, but I was just curious what you all think. Thanks!
  • Jan 28, 2009, 04:31 PM
    TexasParent

    Rush's Koolaid Stand is long overdue an inspection by health and human services.

    The constant mantra designed to somehow make American's accept that anything that is good for business is good for America has helped create a larger disparity between rich and poor, given America the distinction of having the largest child poverty rate in the developed world despite being the richest country and has seen the minimum wage be frozen for much of the Bush Presidency.

    All in the name of more money to the rich will trickle down to the rest of us. Well, a lot of that money has moved American jobs to China, India, Mexico; etc.. Corporations are not loyal to America, they are loyal to their bottom line. The bottom line however does not mean sacrifices at the top, those Bush tax breaks were they put aside for a rainy day, no, they lined their pockets with yearly bonuses until the downturn in the economy and now the little guy is being laid off in corporate cutbacks.

    Everyone is sick of the Rush's Koolaid.
  • Jan 28, 2009, 08:20 PM
    George_1950
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TexasParent View Post
    Rush's Koolaid Stand is long overdue an inspection by health and human services.

    The constant mantra designed to somehow make American's accept that anything that is good for business is good for America has helped create a larger disparity between rich and poor, given America the distinction of having the largest child poverty rate in the developed world despite being the richest country and has seen the minimum wage be frozen for much of the Bush Presidency.

    All in the name of more money to the rich will trickle down to the rest of us. Well, alot of that money has moved American jobs to China, India, Mexico; etc.. Corporations are not loyal to America, they are loyal to their bottom line....

    You are living under a rock, right? Limbaugh, like the New York Times, is protected by the 1st Amendment, right? America is about freedom and business, right? Private property, right? Child poverty is Bush's fault? You've heard of teenage pregnancy and the epidemic of unwed mothers? Corporations are not yet mere tools of American Nazis; they should be loyal to their owners, the shareholders, right? Businesses move off-shore because of high taxes and exorbitant regulations, including the minimum wage.

    You wouldn't happen to teach in a public school, would you?

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