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  • Nov 7, 2008, 05:40 AM
    tomder55
    More of that Change stuff
    Barack Obama campaigned on a promise to change the partisan tone in Washington. So why did he pick a take-no-prisoners partisan; Rhambo Emanuel, for his chief of staff? This guy makes HR Halderman look tame.

    I also think it ironic that he picks Emanuel , a former Freddie Mac board member , to be in his staff. In short order at Freddie, Emanuel pocketted a cool $231,655 in director's fees his last year there .He then moved on to another investment bank where he "earned " $18 million in 2 years . Emanuel now blames Wall Street "greed" and the "anything goes," "right-wing" free-market ideology of Republicans for the financial crisis.lol In that he echos the other Democrat crooks like Chris Dodd and Barney Frank.

    From all early indicators Obama is loading up his administration with former Clintonoids ,Daley machine goons ,and corrupt Wall Streeters . More of that change stuff I guess.

    Side note :Rhambo's brother Ari Emanuel is the Hollywierd agent of Michael Moore.
  • Nov 7, 2008, 05:48 AM
    tkrussell
    Change is what was promised, and that is what we will get.

    I sure hope everyone is ready for the "Change" we will be confronted with.

    But since, OB has already shown himself to be a liar, could the Change promise be a lie also?
  • Nov 7, 2008, 06:30 AM
    excon
    Hello tom:

    The people who Obama hires to pull the levers of power ARE people EXPERIENCED in doing that exact thing. Should he hire neophytes? Didn't you guys yell about IN-experience??

    But, Obama, unlike the Republicans, CAN get his employees on board. It'll be HIS policy that gets forwarded - NOT his staff's.

    By the way, the Chief of Staff job is not a political one. It's an organizational one. He's the PERFECT one for the job. Of course, I'm not surprised you don't like it.

    excon
  • Nov 7, 2008, 07:53 AM
    speechlesstx
    Tom, I think you and I knew that "change" was "just words," and that can't be more evident than his first decision. It was back in August that he ran an ad where he called McCain "a Washington celebrity playing the same old Washington games," during his 9 months of running against "more of the same." Imagine a president McCain naming Karl Rove as chief of staff.

    Ultimate AP Obamanoid Liz Sidoti opened her article today with "Obama is signaling a shift in tactics" while telling us has "made it clear he will rely heavily on veterans of [Clinton's] eight-year administration." But, his "tone" will apparently be different. We'll see.
  • Nov 7, 2008, 08:02 AM
    excon
    Hello again, guys:

    How about "change" meaning change in policy - not change in everything?? Geez. I would have thought you guys understood that...

    He's going to CHANGE the policy in Iraq. It really doesn't matter WHO he hires to DO that. He's going to CHANGE our policy in Gitmo. It doesn't matter that somebody who you might recognize will carry out that CHANGE. He's going to RESTORE the Constitution. Would you feel better about it if he hired a guy you never heard of before??

    He's going to CHANGE everything about the direction of the country... And, he's going to use people who KNOW how to DO that - people who have experience doing that - people who can get the job done!! And, he's going to CHANGE the direction of our country by USING the political process. He's not going to CHANGE the political process itself.

    Course, I don't expect you guys to give him a break.

    excon
  • Nov 7, 2008, 08:17 AM
    J_9
    Personally, I am not ready for the radical changes that are supposed to happen. Guess I'll have to go back to school so that hubby can stay home and raise the kids. And I thought I was too old to be a doctor. Guess not. Someone will have to bring in the dough.
  • Nov 7, 2008, 08:20 AM
    progunr
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, guys:

    How about "change" meaning change in policy - not change in everything???? Geez. I woulda thought you guys understood that....

    He's gonna CHANGE the policy in Iraq. It really doesn't matter WHO he hires to DO that. He's gonna CHANGE our policy in Gitmo. It doesn't matter that somebody who you might recognize will carry out that CHANGE. He's gonna RESTORE the Constitution. Would you feel better about it if he hired a guy you never heard of before???

    He's going to CHANGE everything about the direction of the country.... And, he's gonna use people who KNOW how to DO that - people who have experience doing that - people who can get the job done!!! And, he's gonna CHANGE the direction of our country by USING the political process. He's not going to CHANGE the political process itself.

    Course, I don't expect you guys to give him a break.

    excon

    Almost every word you posted here is TRUE.

    I can see no better statement posted anywhere, and it should scare the hell out of ALL Americans.

    The only point I would argue is that he wants to CHANGE the Constitution, NOT restore it.

    The Constitution was not designed to be a "living" document, sure, as the conditions change, things may need to be amended, but it was never designed for the core principals to be CHANGED.

    Got to go now, need to make sure that my firearms are in good working order.
  • Nov 7, 2008, 08:22 AM
    J_9
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by progunr View Post
    Gotta go now, need to make sure that my firearms are in good working order.

    If you need a Master Gunsmith, I offer my husband's talent's for free. LOL
  • Nov 7, 2008, 08:54 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by progunr View Post
    The only point I would argue is that he wants to CHANGE the Constitution, NOT restore it.

    The Constitution was not designed to be a "living" document, sure, as the conditions change, things may need to be amended, but it was never designed for the core principals to be CHANGED.

    Hello again, prog:

    Nahh. I'll stick with the word RESTORE..

    Here's why: Before the dufus, we had habeas corpus rights. RESTORING those Fifth Amendment rights ain't changing anything. Before the dufus, we had a right to be free from the government listening to our phone calls. RESTORING our Fourth Amendment rights, isn't change. Before the dufus, we had a right to be free from torture. Restoring our Sixth Amendment rights ain't change either.

    I could go on. And, I WILL if you'd like.

    excon
  • Nov 7, 2008, 10:35 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, guys:

    How about "change" meaning change in policy - not change in everything?? Geez. I would have thought you guys understood that...

    We understand - and remember - what Obama said. And what he said and what he's doing are already at odds. Fortunately NRO remembered the exact quote...

    "The real gamble in this election is playing the same Washington game with the same Washington players and expecting a different result." -Barack Obama 12/27/07

    And who are the players so far besides he of the sharp elbows, Rahm Emanuel?

    Potential Secretary of State John Kerry: Elected to the Senate in 1984; served every day since.

    Potential Secretary of State Bill Richardson: Elected to the House of Representatives in 1982, served until 1997. Former U.N. Ambassador, Secretary of Energy.

    Potential Secretary of State Anthony Lake: Joined the State Department in 1962. Worked in the Carter Administration. Named National Security Adviser in 1993. Nomination to be CIA Director was withdrawn by the Clinton administration.

    Potential Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers: Joined the World Bank as chief economist in 1991. Served in Clinton's Treasury Department and actually previously served as Treasury Secretary from 1999 to 2001.

    Potential Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin: Assistant to the President for Economic Policy, 1993 to 1995. Treasury Secretary, 1995-1999.

    Potential Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner: Joined Kissinger and Associates in 1985; joined the Treasury Department in 1988 and served in various capacities until 2001.

    Potential Treasury Secretary Laura Tyson: Chairman of the President's Council of Economic Advisers from 1993 to 1995; Director of the National Economic Council from 1995 to 1996.

    Potential Treasury Secretary Paul Volker: Joined the Treasury Department in 1962; became undersecretary in 1963. Federal Reserve Chairman from 1979 to 1987.

    Potential Defense Secretaries: Richard Danzig, Chuck Hagel, former Georgia Sen. Sam Nunn, and former NATO Commander Wesley Clark.

    Potential Secretary of Commerce: Harold Ford Jr., congressman from Tennessee from 1997 to 2007.

    Potential Secretary of Labor: Gephardt, congressman from Missouri from 1977 to 2005.

    Potential Secretary of Transportation: James Oberstar, member of the House of Representatives since 1975.

    Potential Secretary of Energy: Ed Markey, member of the House of Representatives since 1976.

    Potential Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Max Cleland, administrator for Veterans Affairs from 1977 to 1981, elected to the U.S. Senate in 1996.

    Potential National Security Adviser: Susan Rice, member of the National Security Council from 1993 to 1997; assistant Secretary of State from 1997 to 2001.

    Oh, but they're going to change their game, right?

    Quote:

    Course, I don't expect you guys to give him a break.
    I gave him a break on Wednesday, wasn't that long enough until I started screaming my head off again?
  • Nov 7, 2008, 12:01 PM
    magprob

    And “Rahmbo” sings, "Onward Christian Soldiers." 100,000 more troops will save us from the terror. The terror The royal Saudi family and Israel face. The only terror America is facing is a 50 year war to keep them in power.
  • Nov 7, 2008, 09:28 PM
    magprob

    In an interview with Ma'ariv, Emanuel's father, Dr. Benjamin Emanuel, said he was convinced that his son's appointment would be good for Israel. "Obviously he will influence the president to be pro-Israel," he was quoted as saying. "Why wouldn't he be? What is he, an Arab? He's not going to clean the floors of the White House."

    The Ma'ariv article also quoted Dr. Emanuel as saying that his son spends most summers visiting in Tel Aviv, and that he speaks Hebrew, but not fluently.

    Now that's a really nice man. The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. I hear Rhambo's brother is a big Hollywood producer. He specializes in making a show look real slick. You know, that Hollywood slickness that almost makes you believe that the story is true? Nice folks. Just what this country needs more and more of.
  • Nov 7, 2008, 10:48 PM
    inthebox
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Barack Obama campaigned on a promise to change the partisan tone in Washington. So why did he pick a take-no-prisoners partisan; Rhambo Emanuel, for his chief of staff? This guy makes HR Halderman look tame.

    I also think it ironic that he picks Emanuel , a former Freddie Mac board member , to be in his staff. In short order at Freddie, Emanuel pocketted a cool $231,655 in director's fees his last year there .He then moved on to another investment bank where he "earned " $18 million in 2 years . Emanuel now blames Wall Street "greed" and the "anything goes," "right-wing" free-market ideology of Republicans for the financial crisis.lol In that he echos the other Democrat crooks like Chris Dodd and Barney Frank.

    From all early indicators Obama is loading up his administration with former Clintonoids ,Daley machine goons ,and corrupt Wall Streeters . More of that change stuff I guess.

    Side note :Rhambo's brother Ari Emanuel is the Hollywierd agent of Michael Moore.



    Quote:


    Obama's Chief of Staff Pick a Freddie Mac Alum - Will Media Notice?


    However, while Emanuel’s was on the Freddie Mac payroll in an overseer capacity, the government-sponsored enterprise was cooking the books. According to a Forbes magazine article from Dec. 11, 2003, the GSE was fined $125 million for understating its earnings by a whopping $5 billion

    Yup - change!

    Is Obama the new McSame?

    No wonder, he said "call me" about the Fannie Freddie mess.

    What kind of decision making is this. We are in a economic crisis in part because of REGULATED gse[s] via acts like CRA, and because of corruption within Fannie and Freddie, and Obama wants an insider in this corruption to be his chief of staff! :confused:

    Oh, that's right, it is for Emmanuel's "organiztional abiltiy" and fund raising capability.



    The American Spectator : Fanny, Freddie, and Obama

    "Emanuel during his time on the board opposed every reform proposed by the Bush Administration that would have impacted Freddie and Fannie Mae."


    ABC News: Emanuel Was Director Of Freddie Mac During Scandal



    How can anyone not see the conflict of interest [ bailout ] in this?
  • Nov 8, 2008, 07:38 AM
    excon
    Hello Magprob:

    The post was removed, not because of its necessity, but because I called Magprob a bad name. It's a TRUE bad name. It WAS necessary. But I understand the need to remove it.

    I will say this. The reason I hate probation officers is that they are ANTI-SEMITIC, just like the old magprob here is.

    You DO know that magprob WAS a probation officer, didn't you?

    excon
  • Nov 8, 2008, 10:04 AM
    magprob

    Ooopps! I got caught telling the truth again. Mustn't do that in certain circles... as you can see.
    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1225910047157

    I been called everything already. Doesn't seem to affect me.
  • Nov 8, 2008, 05:04 PM
    Galveston1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, guys:

    How about "change" meaning change in policy - not change in everything???? Geez. I woulda thought you guys understood that....

    He's gonna CHANGE the policy in Iraq. It really doesn't matter WHO he hires to DO that. He's gonna CHANGE our policy in Gitmo. It doesn't matter that somebody who you might recognize will carry out that CHANGE. He's gonna RESTORE the Constitution. Would you feel better about it if he hired a guy you never heard of before???

    He's going to CHANGE everything about the direction of the country.... And, he's gonna use people who KNOW how to DO that - people who have experience doing that - people who can get the job done!!! And, he's gonna CHANGE the direction of our country by USING the political process. He's not going to CHANGE the political process itself.

    Course, I don't expect you guys to give him a break.

    excon

    Wow, Ex. You really surprise me a lot! I didn't know you were a Pollyanna!:D
  • Nov 8, 2008, 05:11 PM
    Galveston1

    You libs think Obama will clean everything up? You're havin' one of "those" dreams.
  • Nov 9, 2008, 07:58 PM
    BABRAM
    Hi Excon!

    Magprob's applying for a comedian licence and perhaps hoping for a role in another Police Academy sequel. Unless, of course, I missed him saying something seriously anti-Semitic. However, and whatever the case maybe, you and I know that probation officers are just rejects from the real academy that couldn't cut it otherwise; police force wannabes. Anyway, as for my work, the gaming side of the casino remains slow, but the hotel continues a high occupancy rate. We have now started PDO's for the very few that can afford to lose a day or two out of their checks. In the short run maybe that will help defuse any layoffs to my department.

    Rahm Emanuel Dismisses 'Hyper-Partisan' Charges - FOXNews.com Elections

    I see that the McCain/Palin/Bush clans are slow to learn. Fortunately for Reagan, a man that received my support and vote for at least one term, he will not have to witness the demise of the current intellectually challenged Republican party. Yes! Rham was an excellent choice!! Way to go Barack! Thank you! BTW seventy-one percent of Jews voted for Obama. This morning I was able to catch some of Rham's interview on Meet the Press. I have to say he is very articulate and assertive. As for the Pubs, if they want to dig their heels in and fight with Obama (like they did at times with Dubya), then I'm going to let them commit suicide. The public will just vote more of the GOP out, again, next go round. PS. I'll try and check-in once in awhile.
  • Nov 9, 2008, 10:55 PM
    magprob

    Well thank you Bobby! I'm glad someone around here gets my humor. For a minute there I thought you were going to get mad and give us your address again. Whew!
    And you are right about Probation Officers, they have to deal with a lot of losers but we can usually find them a job in a casino. They take anyone. After I retired for the federal government, I works security in a casino for about five minutes. The smoke and despair just runs a soul down. I knew it wasn't for me. Then I tried to be a comedian but I kept getting hit with glasses and food so, I started my second career. I am now retired and no longer consider myself anything but a fat, bald old bastard. And proud of it I might add. :)
  • Nov 10, 2008, 05:21 AM
    tomder55
    Clintonoid Paul Begala refers to Rahm Emanuel's style as a “cross between a hemorrhoid and a toothache.” He's a take-no-prisoners Chicago Daley machine partisan who's pick demonstrates that Obama has no intention of being a post-partisan President.
    (yeah I already know the bs he spouted on the Sunday talk shows about Obama's commitment to governing in a bi-partisan manner)

    He once was so angry at his political opponents that he repeatedly stabbed a dinner table with a knife while shouting the "traitor's " name and then yelling "dead !!!!". Reportedly the table looked like the lunar landscape by the time he was finished his rage.

    Is he a friend of Israel ? I certainly hope so. That would be the silver lining to a dark cloud.
  • Nov 10, 2008, 11:21 AM
    magprob

    Why a silver lining to a dark cloud tom?
  • Nov 10, 2008, 05:30 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by magprob View Post
    Well thank you Bobby! I'm glad someone around here gets my humor. For a minute there I thought you were going to get mad and give us your address again. Whew!
    And you are right about Probation Officers, they have to deal with a lot of losers but we can usually find them a job in a casino. They take anyone. After I retired for the federal government, I works security in a casino for about five minutes. The smoke and despair just runs a soul down. I knew it wasn't for me. Then I tried to be a comedian but I kept getting hit with glasses and food so, I started my second career.


    Some of those addresses are eighty miles out and six feet down, although now-in-days they just trespass you and call metro. At least that's what Mayor Goodman wants us to do. BTW there's a hiring freeze in Vegas, you better stay with the retired comedian gig. Only the low end casinos (what we call break-in casinos) have loose hiring practice's where probation officers are given a second life to play deputy. And... thankfully most of our casinos have huge smoke ventilation systems that remove the second hand smoke. I do hope you are retired financially secure. I'm quite sure a full-time Federal job now would be a prized possession in these shaky times. I wouldn't mind being a Post Office employee except that I might just have to go postal. :eek:


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by magprob View Post
    I am now retired and no longer consider myself anything but a fat, bald old bastard. And proud of it I might add. :)

    That reminds me of what Dean Wormer said to Flounder in “Animal House”, “Fat, Drunk, and Stupid, is no way to go through life son.” :D
  • Nov 10, 2008, 05:56 PM
    magprob

    No, I don't buy wolf tickets.
  • Nov 15, 2008, 06:35 PM
    progunr

    I've got a question for you Obama lovers?

    What are we going to do, when 40 million Americans, not to mention the illegals that are here, suddenly have health care?

    Where are they going to find a doctor to see?

    I have to wait 3 to 5 days as it is, just to see my doctor now?

    I don't think he even took the time to think that far ahead, but I have, and it doesn't sound like a good "change" to me.
  • Nov 15, 2008, 07:07 PM
    BABRAM

    You mean the people that are currently laid-off and don't have the means to pay for cobra. Now if we can ever get out of the economic hole, it's possible to push for making education more affordable and adding jobs to the medical profession.


    PS. I notice the local LV gun shops are going to be overstocked and lowering prices in about six months, maybe less. Sales are temporarily brisk, so the larger gun retailer claims, but I'm waiting for after the new year for first quarter reports. I'm betting their little fear Obama tactic and ploy is going to backfire and that's when the smart consumer buys. Watch!
  • Nov 15, 2008, 07:10 PM
    progunr
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BABRAM View Post
    You mean the people that are currently laid-off and don't have the means to pay for cobra. Now if we can ever get out of the economic hole, it's possible to push for making education more affordable and adding jobs to the medical profession.


    PS. I notice the local LV gun shops are going to be overstocked and lowering prices in about six months, maybe less. Sales are temporarily brisk, so the larger gun retailer claims, but I'm waiting for after the new year for first quarter reports. I'm betting their little fear Obama tactic and ploy is going to backfire and that's when the smart consumer buys. Watch!

    You may be right, I may be crazy, but it just might be a lunatic you're looking for!!

    Thank goodness I have all the guns I need, already.
  • Nov 15, 2008, 07:15 PM
    inthebox
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BABRAM View Post
    You mean the people that are currently laid-off and don't have the means to pay for cobra. Now if we can ever get out of the economic hole, it's possible to push for making education more affordable and adding jobs to the medical profession.


    What is the incentive to go through medical school and residency and perhaps fellowship training when a greater percentage of what you make is going to taxes? Or what you can earn has a ceiling?
  • Nov 15, 2008, 07:29 PM
    BABRAM

    Plenty. Think of it as hitting a jackpot or lottery. You make two million and the government takes approx one-third. I'm eating good, living large on 1.3 mill. How many middle and lower class families would be happy with that kind of cheddar? You betcha! You're hung up on taxes when it's paying off those loans after medical school that are the killer.

    PS. As for salary caps my doc can get used to having one less mansion.
  • Nov 17, 2008, 07:37 PM
    inthebox

    You make 2 million - which most doctors do mot make - and the gov under Obama takes close to 40 %, then in most states - state tax, then in most cities - city tax, then property tax, vehicle tax etc... over half
    Quote:

    Celebrating Tax Independence Day - South Florida Business Journal:
    ATR estimates Americans spend more than half the calendar year, or 183 days, working for the government





    Taking Note: "Spread the Wealth" Controversy Hits Doctors

    The Va can't keep specialists due to their lack of salary competitiveness.

    Canadian doctors relocate here due to the lower salaries in Canada.
  • Nov 18, 2008, 08:46 AM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by inthebox View Post
    Canadian doctors relocate here due to the lower salaries in Canada.

    PayScale Canada - People with Jobs as Physicians / Doctors Salary, Average Salaries


    Their first year Canadian physician's resident salary is lower than the US doctors, but still way above that of lower and middle class American citizens. BTW they could returning home soon at the rate our US businesses are going belly up.
  • Nov 18, 2008, 10:14 AM
    twinkiedooter

    Tom - No, it's not ironic that O wants Rhambo in his cabinet. He's a fellow Illinois lawmaker and graft taker and having had loads of "practice" in the Clinton dynasty, I'm sure he'll be pretty filthy, filthy rich after this dynasty along with O and his fellow cronies. I am sure he picked Rhambo long, long ago and we're just finding out now. His other cabinet "picks" will surely hold no surprises either. O goes where the money (or huge power) is. He wants a huge slice of the pie as well for himself. Remember that one speech where he kept repeating the word pie about 20 some times? Pie, pie, pie ad nauseum in that speech. He thought he was cute over in, I think it was, Pennsylvania when he gave that speech.

    His cabinet appointees are going to be a rather interesting bunch to say the least. I think I heard it rumored that he's going to want to have Dr. Frankenstein for Secretary of Health, but I think it's just a rumor. For Secretary of Education, William Ayers is a shoe in for sure as this upstanding citizen is such a great brainwasher educator with some radical teachings that O has fully embraced. I think that good ole boy William Clinton should be Ambasador to the UN as he does have the qualifications(?) for this job. His Wife Hilldog can definitely be Secretary of State as she was never home anyway and traveling(?) is one of her greatest achievements. Just ask the Travelgate employees about that one.
  • Nov 20, 2008, 06:08 AM
    speechlesstx
    Daschle got the job, even though his wife is a lobbyist for a firm with health care clients. I love that the MSM is still playing CYA for Obama, CNN offered up an excuse for why over half of Obama's "change" will be Clintonistas. "Before Clinton, however, Democrats had not been in the White House since Jimmy Carter, and many of those in Carter's administration are too old to serve again under Obama."

    But I know, "real change is about policy, not people." When Obama said "the real gamble in this election is playing the same Washington game with the same Washington players and expecting a different result" it was "just words."
  • Nov 20, 2008, 09:13 AM
    tomder55

    Janet Napolitano for Homeland Security(DHS)...

    She's qualified because she can see Mexico from her porch.Not that it matters ;she is about as open-borders as they come . Shamnesty now wears a badge .

    If she accepts then she has to resign as AZ Guv.
    Jan Brewer, the conservative Republican Secretary of State would replace her . Yippee! Finally a Republican gain!!
  • Nov 20, 2008, 12:07 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Yippee !! finally a Republican gain!!!!!!

    Meanwhile, Norm Coleman's lead continues to shrink. He's now down to a 169 vote lead.
  • Nov 20, 2008, 02:13 PM
    tomder55

    They are letting Franken get away with it
    Here is a Coleman ballot that is being challenged :

    http://www.drudgereport.com/fc.jpg

    Worse than a hanging chad
  • Nov 20, 2008, 02:43 PM
    spitvenom
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    they are letting Franken get away with it
    Here is a Coleman ballot that is being challenged :

    http://www.drudgereport.com/fc.jpg

    worse than a hanging chad

    I can't believe this is being challenged that is a bunch of BS. Clearer they voted for Coleman.
  • Nov 21, 2008, 04:23 AM
    tomder55

    Here is the article where the picture was posted :
    http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/...r-in-plymouth/
  • Nov 21, 2008, 06:08 AM
    speechlesstx

    Clearly this voter intended to vote for Franken.
  • Nov 21, 2008, 11:54 AM
    speechlesstx
    Speaking of election shenanigans, an investigation revealed that "there was no legitimate business purpose for the head of Ohio's Department of Job and Family Services to order staff to look up the records" of Joe the Plumber.

    Of course "investigators weren't able to determine whether the searches were politically motivated," even though she "improperly used state e-mail to engage in political activity" allegedly to raise funds for Obama.
  • Nov 21, 2008, 11:57 AM
    excon
    Hello Steve:

    Shenanigans, hell. That guy clearly voted for Franken.

    Snippy

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