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Hello:
I alluded to my concerns in an earlier thread... But, I really didn't spell out my fears...
1963 was the worst year of my life. 1968 wasn't any better. Those were the years when JFK, his brother Bobby, and Martin Luther King were assassinated.
Yes, I DO think there are nuts out there who would do such a thing today. Don't you? I surely hope they're protecting him.
excon
Are you talking about Obama? If so I think there are idoits who are plotting such a thing. That's one reason why I hope he doesn't win this election because Lord forbid if they succeed, it can plunge this country into a race/civil war that would make its predecessor look like crap. And with our military tied up and our government ed, then my friend we would become the U.S.S.A.
Hello dj:
Yes, I'm talking about Obama. But, that's a strange reason not to vote for him. I think it's better to elect him, and then protect the hell out of him.
excon
Yea I know it sounds strange but that surely doesn't mean I'm going to vote for mccain... this election I'm just going to sit back and watch. I still feel bad for voting for bush last election lol ;) you see where that got us.:mad: but I agree with the fact that you said protect obama but we protected MLK and they still assassinated him... its sad but true that our country is like this.
You didn't mention the attempt on Pres Reagan's life. Was that by a right wing nut too?
What about the attempt on Geo. Wallace? Right wing?
I assure you he is being protected to a degree of paranoia unheard of . He is being protected to the point of suppressing and threatening people who speak out against his candidacy.
Jessica Hughes of Lufkin , Texas , former Marine, mother of three, answered her cell phone in the car, coming home from the emergency room. Her 9-year-old had suffered a mild concussion, but was OK. The caller was a female Obama volunteer who asked if Jessica would support Obama for president. Jessica replied, "No, I don't support him. Your guy is a socialist who voted four times in the state Senate to let little babies die in hospital closets; I think you should find something better to do with your time." Then Jessica hung up. The next day, a man and a woman in suits showed up at the door of her home, identifying themselves as members of the Secret Service. The Secret Service agents stated that the Obama campaign had complained of a death threat. They had quoted Jessica as saying, "I will never support Obama, and he will wind up dead on a hospital floor." Jessica's husband had heard Jessica's side of the original phone call and verified the actual quote. To which the female agent replied, "Oh? Well why would she (the Obama volunteer) make that up?"
Jessica replied that the Obama volunteer was probably unhappy about what Jessica had said about her candidate. The female agent then said "That's right, you were rude!" The male agent then displayed a file with Jessica's full name prominently printed on it and asked her how she felt about Obama. At this point, the former Marine told the agent "in no uncertain terms" (as she later recounted) that this was America and that the last time she checked, she was allowed to think whatever she wanted without being questioned by the Secret Service. And was being "rude" a federal crime now too? The agents then admitted they had no tape of the conversation, just the quote from the Obama campaign. Responding to Jessica's questions, the agents would not identify themselves by name, nor reveal the name of the Obama volunteer who had made the complaint. The agents did indicate that Jessica was not in a court of law yet, and that they were trying to not embarrass her "by going to all her family and neighbors."
To these implied threats, Jessica invited the agents to speak to whomever they wanted, and stated she would happily go to court since she had done nothing wrong. Jessica asked the agents, "Look, someone calls me unsolicited on my cell phone to ask me to support their candidate, and I can't tell them why I don't?"
Secret Service visits Lufkin woman after 'death threat' allegation from an Obama campaign volunteer
The Obama campaign refuses to comment on this incident, claiming it is a Secret Service matter even though it was initiated by their offices. The Secret Service is conducting an "investigation" and does not comment.
No one in the Obama camp is denying the incident, they are simply refusing to comment. The MSM ignores it. You can bet that if the McCain campaign had done the same thing, this would all over the news.
Keep in mind that within hours of his questioning Obama ,Joe Wurzelbacher's records ,like his Ohio DMV records , that should've only been available in official investigations were made public in attempt to discredit him.
The Columbus Dispatch : Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber
Dear Tom.
There was a death threat.
The rest of your post has nothing to do with the OP's question.
All my love,
NK
Hello tom:
I don't know. I bring up BIG subjects, and you bring up one dingbat to counter it... Uhhh, it ain't happening over here...
I think you're losing it (along with your candidate).
excon
How did this become a political debate?! It was a simple post about the threat on the Obama camp...
He already had one attempt or rather a plot but being that they were drug addicts it wasn't taken serious. How wrong is that?
Me and my co-workers talk about this all the time and I hope nothing happens to him but he's going be getting a lot of threats and I bet many will try to take him out mostly because of his race.
No, I think that was a Jodie Foster nut. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
"And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast."(Revelation 13:3-4)
There there now, see? It will all be OK.
Religion has no place in politics.
I'll quote the Bible any dam place I want to.
WOW Excon you didn't know what you started huh? I for one am happy to see people bringing up the subject and discussing the fear. It's a real one particularly in this country and TODAY! I used to want my son to be the first black president of the US and later took that back because of this very topic. Our country is simply not ready for it. Nor do I want to watch every poor decision blamed on his race. Our country has been in a very sad state of affairs for a very long time and I'm not certain that anyone running is going to be able to dig us out without some scars. HOWEVER, whatever happens will in fact be blamed souly on this mans race. He will in fact have several attempts on his life I'm certain of it and I'm afraid for the aftermath as well. We are in a very crazy time. I know you don't like it when people say it but there is nothing left to do but... you got it PRAY!
Wow, I’m hardly believing what I’m reading…except that part about a Texan woman, “one dingbat” as ex puts it, being harassed by the Secret Service on hearsay from an Obama campaign volunteer.
What is wrong with you guys? Excon is scared that Obama might be assassinated, liz28 and her co-workers talk about it all the time, NK says “there was a death threat” but offers no evidence, and djprofit is afraid “we would become the U.S.S.A.” Talk about your fear-mongering, you guys make Bush look more like Kucinich. What’s with all the paranoia?
Since when was a citizen minding her own business and exercising her right to say and think what she wants and being harassed by the feds not a “big thing,” ex? If we changed the subject to being harassed by the feds for smoking a little weed in the privacy of your home would you feel the same way?
Well, federal agents broke up a plot today. The plan was to shoot 88 African-Americans (88 symbolizes Hitler's initials), decapitate 14 more and then assassinate Obama.
Enough said. Speechless tx needs to wake up to the way of the world. No offense please, just don't believe that we are no longer a racist society. It's everywhere. It's a live and it's frightening and there are plenty of people in the corners not really interested in having a black president. Think about it.
That's right. I watch this show called "Like It Is" every Sunday morning and this topic was discuss. Many people don't want a black president and race is an issue. Like you said MsMewithThat everything that goes wrong, he will be blame on his race. The sad part is that is speak better and have a better education than his running mate. So far there been two threats against him and sadly the first group wasn't charged with the plot to kill and one had ties to a hate group. Can wait to see what will happen to the next group of people.
When about 95% of black voters vote for the black candidate, I call that RACIAL!
If that's racial, what is it when white voters don't vote for the black candidate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
And what is it when 95% of white voters vote for a white candidate?
After GW Bush, anything would be a blessing however, Obama is just to socialistic for most of us. Now you can call that racisit or what ever but the guy is bording on communism, Bush on facisism and McCain somewhere in between. I'm white and I'm telling you they are both worthless. I'm not voting for BO or Mcsame. So does that make me a self hating white boy? Come on, there has to be a politically correct statement out there some where that describes a white man that won't vote for another white man... or a black man that is not fit to be president.
LOL, nobody needs to tell speechlesstx (one word) to "wake up to the way of the world," I've been through more hell than you can imagine which is why I know how unproductive this kind of fear and fear-mongering is. And what's funny is the white Republican (me) that's lived most of his life as a minority has never been the one to care about what color the next president is.Quote:
Originally Posted by MsMewiththat
Obama is no socialist. Socialists wear sandals. Sandals would clash with Obama's $1500 suits.Quote:
Originally Posted by magprob
Wondergirl:
Here is a reader retort to my local paper's leftist ideology. This is a paper that regularly accuses some of its state residents of racism.
Sounds like Murtha ;)
Issues, not race, hurt Obama in Kentucky - Op-Ed - Kentucky.com
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Mainstream pundits and well-known liberal Kentucky columnists are again accusing our state of racism in the presidential election.
Their evidence: Barack Obama trails John McCain by 18 percent in the polls. That's it. That's all they've got. Obama trails in the polls, so we must all be racists.. .
The intellectual lethargy of our left-wing accusers is proven by a quick study of the 2000 and 2004 elections, in which we find that the results for the Democratic candidate were roughly equivalent to current poll numbers.
In Kentucky, McCain leads Obama by 18 percent. But in the 2000 election, George Bush won 57 percent of the vote, Al Gore 41 percent and Ralph Nader 2 percent. That's a 16-point advantage. Even more interesting, in 2004, Bush beat John Kerry by 20 points, 60 percent to 40 percent.
Using the same logic as our accusers, we could actually conclude that Kentucky is even more ready for a black president than we were for Kerry......
There is another important aspect of this failed logic that must be considered. Many national polls tout that Obama is pulling in more than 90 percent of the black vote. How do these same pollsters who accuse Kentucky of racism explain those numbers? Would they dare to assume that such an overwhelming level of support from one particular voting group is racist?
The truth is, while Kentucky is a majority Democratic state — Democrats outnumber Republicans 1.5 to 1 — we're still primarily conservative in our ideology. Conservativism is something that Obama clearly cannot claim for himself. Rather than accuse Kentucky of racism because Obama trails in the polls, it would be fairer to assume that we simply don't like his politics.
This reminds me of a cartoon during the Dem primaries in which a white male Democrat is offered the choice of being a sexist if he votes for obama, or a racist if he votes for clinton.:(
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Originally Posted by excon
Government Foils Skinhead Plot to Assassinate Obama - FOXNews.com Elections
Unfortunantly, EX, there are criminals out there trying to make this happen. :mad:
Unfortunately, because of other highly possible future threats due to racist home grown nut jobs right here in our beloved United States, Obama will undoubtedly be subject to more than the usual Fed protection and observation standards practiced than for past presidents.
ADL Commends Federal Agents for Preventing Killing Spree and Obama Assassination Attempt - MarketWatch
"NEW YORK, Oct 27, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ -- The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today congratulated law enforcement for uncovering and preventing what the League called "potentially the most deadly racist shooting spree in many years, including an assassination attempt on presidential candidate Barack Obama."
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and the Crockett County, Tennessee Sheriff's Office opened an investigation that resulted in the arrest on October 22 of Daniel Cowart, 21, of Jackson, Tennessee, and Paul Schlesselman, 18, of West Helena, Arkansas. The white supremacists were charged with suspicion of possessing an unregistered firearm, conspiring to steal firearms from a federally licensed gun dealer, and threats against a major candidate for the office of president.
"The arrests of these dangerous white supremacists prevented what could have been the most serious act of domestic terrorism in recent years," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "This case shows how extreme ideologies easily lead to extreme actions."
Mr. Foxman praised the federal and local law enforcement officers whose actions prevented the potential violent acts. "We congratulate the officers and agents with Crockett County and the ATF whose vigilance exposed a terrorist plot and saved lives."
Though the two suspects had only known each other for about a month, both suspects were known to experts at ADL's Center on Extremism, which had been tracking their white supremacist activities. Cowart had recently been involved with Supreme White Alliance, a hardcore racist skinhead group with members from several states, mostly in the Midwest.
In April, Cowart even attended a Hitler's Birthday celebration held by the group in Cincinnati. The previous month he handed out racist fliers in front of a local Wal-Mart.
ADL, which regularly conducts training sessions for law enforcement on extremism and extremists, provided, on request from ATF, information on the two suspects, their associates and contacts, and on the Supreme White Alliance and its membership.
Schlesselman and Cowart allegedly informed officers they were planning a "killing spree" that would involve killing 88 people and beheading 14 African-Americans. Both numbers have symbolic significance to white supremacists. The number "88" is code for "Heil Hitler," while "14" is a reference to the "14 Words," a white supremacist slogan: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." Court documents indicate the two suspects discussed a multi-state killing and robbing spree, to include targeting a predominantly African-American school. The murder spree would allegedly end with an attempt to assassinate presidential candidate Barack Obama with a high-powered rifle.
The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry."
And these racist nutjobs need to be stopped and put in jail.
I just woulid like those in the MSM, that equate not voting for Obama as racists, to use the term accurately so as not to diminish the severity of the term.
I agree. I wouldn't miss Rupert Murdoch's lamebrain child "Fox" news being shut down one bit.
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Just like Palin, Obama is redistirbuting the wealth. Keeping your finer clothiers, lobster fishermen and room service staff employed.
The redistribution then will include his wealth. Maybe he'll put special marks on his dollar bills and will offer special prizes or gift cards to Macy's when people find them and turn them in. I think I will get a job in a bank...Quote:
Originally Posted by magprob
Indeed there are always individual plots about the killing of the President or of candidates . In President Bush's case many "artists" put it in on celluloid or on stage without criminal charges being brought against them.Quote:
federal agents broke up a plot today. The plan was to shoot 88 African-Americans (88 symbolizes Hitler's initials), decapitate 14 more and then assassinate Obama.
To the extent that Lee Harvey Oswald ,James Earl Ray, Sirhan Sirhan ,Squeaky Fromme ,Sara Jane Moore,John Hinckley,the Puerto Rican nationalists who tried to murder Truman ,Leon Czolgosz,Charles J. Guiteau ;the assassins who shot Teddy Roosevelt while campaigning and made an attempt or the one who took a shot at FDR... were lone assassins... then yes there is concern . Every President or candidate is at risk or a potential target.
The only attempt I know of that was part of a larger plot was John Wilkes Booth killing of Lincoln. On the same day ,an attempt was made on Sec State William Seward by Lewis Powell (or Paine), accomplice of John Wilkes Booth.
Since race is the underlying theme of this post then no , I do not think he is at greater risk then the above examples.
If this were Obama (or any other non-white) wouldn't this be considered a hate crime?
http://llnw.image.cbslocal.com/18/20...x131/Palin.jpgQuote:
Halloween Palin Prop Sparks Controversy In WeHo
WEST HOLLYWOOD, Calif. (AP) ― A Halloween decoration showing a mannequin dressed as vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin hanging by a noose from the roof of a West Hollywood home is drawing giggles from some passers-by and gasps of outrage from others.
The mannequin is dressed in brunet wig, glasses and a red business suit. Another mannequin dressed as John McCain emerges from a flaming chimney.
Chad Michael Morissette, who lives in the house, told CBS 2 News that drivers and bus passengers have been stopping to snap pictures of the macabre scene.
Morissette says the effigy would be out of bounds at any other time of year, but it's within the spirit of Halloween.
He says "it should be seen as art, and as within the month of October. It's Halloween, it's time to be scary it's time to be spooky."
I completely disagree. Population is hundreds of fold multiplied since Abe Lincoln and the diversity of hate groups have a much broader spectrum. Besides your logic is that Lincoln was at no greater risk when in fact, we all know that plot ended killing the president and that was indeed the ultimate fate. Same could be said for the Kennedy's. And none of your examples was comparable by subject since we never had a Black president in the US. Here Obama hasn't even taken the oath of office and already there's been at least one reported foiled assassination attempt by the Feds. To think that Obama is not at larger risk for being the first non-caucasian categorically to possibly serve ever in the highest office in our land is a mistake. That being said, the far majority of our citizens are law biding and desire nothing less than prosperity and health for Barack Obama, or John McCain, in leading this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
But I pointed to examples of at least 2 candidates where were targets .TR and RFK.Quote:
Here Obama hasn't even taken the oath of office and already there's been at least one reported foiled assassination attempt by the Feds.
If EX was implying that Obama was at a greater risk because he was Black I'm sure he would've stated so . But to that I would respectfully disagree. All the incidents I detailed occurred in the last century. Quite a few assassinations and failed attempts relative to the number of people who have held the office.
Well, I have read a number of comments from voters who say they refuse to vote for a black man no matter how smart and charismatic he is. And these two guys who had a "plan" (such as it was) to assassinate Obama and kill others were skinheads which screams out racism.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
This is the first black presidential candidate the U.S. has had who has gotten this far, so I'm not sure you can use history as your proof that racism wasn't a factor in the two reported cases.
Deranged Obama supporters mace GOP campaign workers, including "a 75- and 71-year-old man and their respective wives."
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Two people were arrested Monday afternoon after an altercation led to five Republican campaign workers being sprayed with Mace at their headquarters in Galax.
Galax Police Chief Rick Clark said officers were dispatched shortly before 1 p.m. to the Galax Republican headquarters on East Grayson Street when a caller reported someone had sprayed office workers with Mace.
Responding officers arrested Daniel Cason Meinecke, 29, and Cara Annis Hindman, 26, both of Galax.
Meinecke was charged with one count of misdemeanor assault, Hindman was charged with five counts of misdemeanor assault.
Galax Republican Chairman Mike Stevens said he was one of the volunteers sprayed. He said a man and woman came into the office and asked for campaign yard signs for the Democratic ticket of Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
After being told the Obama-Biden campaign office was up the street, Stevens said, the man said he was aware of that, but that he thought Democratic signs were being stolen and “stashed” at the Republican office.
Stevens told him that nobody there had stolen signs, not were they “stashing” any in the building.
A confrontation escalated and, Stevens said, the man began to use some four-letter words.
Stevens said there were older women in the office and he asked the couple to leave the building.
“With the ladies in the office, I said that was enough and asked them to leave,” he said. “I told them, if they had a problem with someone stealing their signs they needed to contact the police department.”
Stevens said the couple replied that they weren’t leaving, and that they didn’t have to.
“I kind of moved them towards the door and he lashed out at me,” Stevens said. “So I lashed out at him.”
No punches were thrown, but instead the two simply held each other at bay, according to Stevens.
Once outside, Stevens said, the woman sprayed Mace on him and another volunteer before turning back to the office and spraying inside the building.
“It was surreal in the fact that I’ve had people in the past couple months come in and ask for signs. But to have an altercation like that just seems strange.”
While Stevens was unsure if the couple came into the building planning to start an altercation, he said it seemed evident they were.
“There was no business that this gentleman had to do in the office. We didn’t do anything... We didn’t steal his signs. The people in the building were a 75- and 71-year-old man and their respective wives... they aren’t out there stealing signs.”
That was not my intent at all . My intent is to show that Obama is in no Greater threat than any otherprevious candidate or President .Quote:
so I'm not sure you can use history as your proof that racism wasn't a factor in the two reported cases.
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