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  • Oct 22, 2008, 02:33 PM
    speechlesstx
    So it really is racism?
    Lewis Diuguid, Kansas City Star Editorial Page columnist has it all figured out, the McCain campaign's use of the word socialism has nothing to do with Obama's plan to spread the wealth, mandatory health insurance, universal public service for children, etc. - it's a code word for black.

    Quote:

    The "socialist" label that Sen. John McCain and his GOP presidential running mate Sarah Palin are trying to attach to Sen. Barack Obama actually has long and very ugly historical roots.

    J. Edgar Hoover, director of the FBI from 1924 to 1972, used the term liberally to describe African Americans who spent their lives fighting for equality.

    Those freedom fighters included the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. who led the Civil Rights Movement; W.E.B. Du Bois, who in 1909 helped found the NAACP which is still the nation's oldest and largest civil rights organization; Paul Robeson, a famous singer, actor and political activist who in the 1930s became involved in national and international movements for better labor relations, peace and racial justice; and A. Philip Randolph, who founded and was the longtime head of the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters and a leading advocate for civil rights for African Americans.

    McCain and Palin have simply reached back in history to use an old code word for black. It set whites apart from those deemed unAmerican and those who could not be trusted during the communism scare.

    Shame on McCain and Palin.
    A show of hands please, how many of you out there understood socialism to mean "black?" Geez, enough of this racism nonsense...
  • Oct 22, 2008, 02:36 PM
    Hazel1220

    An interesting article but I never asscociated it with black.
  • Oct 22, 2008, 02:36 PM
    twinkiedooter

    It does not mean black. It means RED as in socialism and Communism. I don't think Stalin, Lenin, Marx, etc were black. They were red.
  • Oct 22, 2008, 03:07 PM
    tomder55
    That must be the code stuff Ex was accusing us of today . If that offends we can always call Obama an Alinsky Marxist.That would be more accurate anyway.
  • Oct 22, 2008, 03:12 PM
    tomder55
    I seem to recall Charles Rangel calling "tax cuts "code for racism also.
  • Oct 22, 2008, 04:22 PM
    Galveston1

    Of course it's racism! When 95% of people of African heritage vote for a man because of his African heritate, it is RACISM. When empty headed white people vote for a man because of his African heritage and the fact that they somehow feel guilty about slavery that ended over 150 years ago, that is RACISM.

    I agree with Speech, enough already!
  • Oct 22, 2008, 04:30 PM
    WakkieRob

    Don't worry they would much prefer a black president than a woman telling the men what to do anyway that's America
  • Oct 22, 2008, 05:44 PM
    Hazel1220

    I hate how so many people are scrwing this all up by saying it is all racism. Whether people want to admit it race is an issue in this election. BUT that does not mean everything is racist!! You are always going to have the people that vote for or againts someone because of their color and or gender but not everyone or everything is like that. IMO
  • Oct 22, 2008, 06:21 PM
    Fr_Chuck

    How very racist to even mention this, have you not been received your education on this.

    We can not speak about past associates, about voting records and about his plans any negative material has to be racist, even if from another black person
  • Oct 22, 2008, 08:01 PM
    inthebox
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Galveston1 View Post
    Of course it's racism!! When 95% of people of African heritage vote for a man because of his African heritate, it is RACISM. When empty headed white people vote for a man because of his African heritage and the fact that they somehow feel guilty about slavery that ended over 150 years ago, that is RACISM.

    I agree with Speech, enough already!


    Agreed.


    The left knows that the average American does not want socialism or communism, so to divert attention from Obama's "spread the wealth" schemes, the left screams racist anytime anyone disagrees with them.
  • Oct 22, 2008, 08:11 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck View Post
    how very racist to even mention this, have you not been received your education on this.

    We can not speak about past associates, about voting records and about his plans any negitive material has to be racist, even if from another black person

    I never learn Chuck.
  • Oct 22, 2008, 08:21 PM
    Hazel1220

    Is it really always the political leftist screaminf racism? I honestly do not know. Isn't it a whole mess of people from media ( which many people say is mostly left) to other third party groups and organizations. I don't know anything anymore:(
  • Oct 22, 2008, 08:32 PM
    Stringer

    No, I do not think it is racist to have to account for your past actions
    Or your plans for this country's future.
  • Oct 22, 2008, 08:35 PM
    magprob

    Ahhh yes, Saul Alinsky, the only other community organizer I have ever heard of. Well, besides Jesus of course.
  • Oct 22, 2008, 08:37 PM
    inthebox

    Jesus was no community organizer.


    He is a soul saver :D
  • Oct 22, 2008, 08:43 PM
    magprob

    (Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/21/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama's lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and tbe DNC “ADMITTED”, by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit. Obama is “NOT QUALIFIED” to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

    Berg stated that he filed Requests for Admissions on September 15, 2008 with a response by way of answer or objection had to be served within thirty [30] days. No response to the Requests for Admissions was served by way of response or objection. Thus, all of the Admissions directed to Obama and the DNC are deemed “ADMITTED.” Therefore, Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President.
  • Oct 23, 2008, 04:22 AM
    excon
    Hello:

    Let me see, if you were a Republican, and you wanted to come up with code word for black, would welfare be a good word to use?? I think it'd be a pretty good code word. Everybody'd know who you were talking about without actually having to say black, wouldn't they?? As a matter of fact, you could just use the code word, and then when everybody accused you of racism, you could sound all innocent, like these people in this thread, couldn't you? Hell, you could even accuse the Democrats of racism.

    Isn't code cool? But, as a Republican, you wouldn't use such code words would you? You're better than that... Bwa, ha ha ha.

    Oh, yeah. On Tuesday, didn't Palin call Obamas middle class tax cut welfare for the middle class?? She sure enough did...

    excon
  • Oct 23, 2008, 04:32 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by magprob View Post
    (Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/21/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States...

    Maybe this guy's related to the Nebraska legislator that filed a lawsuit against God.
  • Oct 23, 2008, 04:33 AM
    WakkieRob

    If your white and you go to Zimbabwe your get bet up by the Robert Mugabe quid its about power not weather your black, white, yellow or Red Indian! It's the social group trying to be more dominant over the rest of the groups.
  • Oct 23, 2008, 04:38 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello:

    Lemme see, if you were a Republican, and you wanted to come up with code word for black, would welfare be a good word to use???

    I get it, so when Clinton said in 2006 that he "had long been committed to welfare reform" he meant he had long been committed to "black" reform.
  • Oct 23, 2008, 08:13 AM
    tomder55

    Quote:

    Some worry that if Barack Obama loses and there is suspicion of foul play in the election, violence could ensue in cities with large black populations. Others based the need for enhanced patrols on past riots in urban areas (following professional sports events) and also on Internet rumors.
    So who is playing the race card ?

    Quote:

    Carville, who served as a senior political adviser to former President Bill Clinton, said that many Democrats would be very angry if Obama loses. He noted that many Democrats were upset by Sen. John Kerry's (D-Mass.) loss to President Bush in the 2004 election, when some Democrats made allegations of vote manipulation in Ohio, the state that ultimately decided the race.


    Experts (What experts?) estimated that thousands of voters did not vote in Ohio because of poor preparation and long lines. Carville said Democratic anger in 2004 "would be very small to what would happen in 2008" if the same problems arose.


    Carville said earlier this month that "it would be very, very, very dramatic out there" if Obama lost, a statement some commentators interpreted as predicting riots. In an interview Tuesday, however, Carville said he did not explicitly predict rioting.
    But he did indeed imply riots.


    TheHill.com
  • Oct 23, 2008, 09:06 AM
    speechlesstx
    I am learning all sorts of new codes. Not only are "socialism" and "welfare" codes for "black," wearing white is a “racially-tinged” wardrobe.
  • Oct 23, 2008, 09:58 AM
    tomder55

    Being "undecided " is also code :
    Biden: Undecideds Haven't Warmed Up To Possibility Of A Black President - From The Road
  • Oct 23, 2008, 02:54 PM
    WakkieRob

    Yes but Blacks will wipe us out most of Britain is Black now this is why Blackboards are banned
  • Oct 23, 2008, 03:02 PM
    WakkieRob
    Slavery is over now and Black people scream racist because it's there why of getting us back. Look if a Black guy calls me all sorts of names I get angry and call them all sorts of names so if you really hate white people for this then your wrong. But if I attack you with a gang because your black then you have every right OK!
  • Oct 23, 2008, 03:06 PM
    WakkieRob
    When I was in the Army I called Pakistani's Paki's now I've been told it's racist. But if a Paki calls me that brit it's not come on get real
  • Oct 23, 2008, 03:49 PM
    BABRAM

    I really hope Obama wins this election. On several good key issues I do prefer Obama to McCain. However not just because Obama's economic plan has the middle and lower classes paying less taxes (which it does). And not just because the Democrats are less gullible than the Pubs to be suckered into staying in Iraq while the US suffers economic implosion pouring resources into a useless war (which the Dems are not as naive). But because after two hundred years the first Black man in the White House scares the bejeepers out of some of the most ignorant fools in America... and I enjoy watching them squirm.
  • Oct 23, 2008, 03:57 PM
    Wondergirl

    You betcha, Bobby! *wink*

    Racism isn't part of the equation for Obama supporters. He's oh so much more than a black man.
  • Oct 23, 2008, 03:59 PM
    WakkieRob

    Hay we ain't scared most of the white pop ruled the world only to give it all back now there's no more Empire!
    Without a Empire there can never be peace!
  • Oct 23, 2008, 04:01 PM
    Stringer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BABRAM View Post
    I really hope Obama wins this election. On several good key issues I do prefer Obama to McCain. However not just because Obama's economic plan has the middle and lower classes paying less taxes (which it does). And not just because the Democrats are less gullible than the Pubs to be suckered into staying in Iraq while the US suffers economic implosion pouring resources into a useless war (which the Dems are not as naive). But because after two hundred years the first Black man in the White House scares the bejeepers out of some of the most ignorant fools in America...and I'm enjoy watching them squirm.

    We don't agree on most things Babram, but I do agree with you that the person making the comments above needs to be ashamed. It is clear what his motives were...
  • Oct 23, 2008, 04:12 PM
    BABRAM

    I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and guess that his his car radio dial got stuck on a Rush Limbaugh affiliated station. BTW I do believe that this "Louis Duiguide" is an African American. So when I say "fools" I'm an being equally indiscriminate across the USA.
  • Oct 23, 2008, 04:14 PM
    WakkieRob

    Stringer, Why being proud of who you are keeps your country safe from intruders or because I was in the Army!

    OK there strong opinions to some but don't worry your country is not over run by - arrrr can't say it! So much for freedom of speech.
  • Oct 23, 2008, 04:27 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by WakkieRob View Post
    Hay we ain't scared most of the white pop ruled the world only to give it all back now there's no more Empire!
    Without a Empire there can never be peace!

    Their little world out of Nazi Germany was short lived... thank G-d.
  • Oct 23, 2008, 04:41 PM
    WakkieRob

    BABRAM OK, OK let him be president if it keeps the peace anyway in our country its been along time since church hill.
  • Oct 23, 2008, 04:47 PM
    Galveston1

    It has irritated me for years that apparently, a racist can ONLY be a white person.
    That is a steaming pile of bovine excrement.
  • Oct 23, 2008, 05:10 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by WakkieRob View Post
    BABRAM OK, OK let him be president if it keeps the peace anyway in our country its been along time since church hill.


    In this country, the US experiment, the melting pot, stir-fry, Mulligan stew, fishwada, whatever you want to call it, will either flourish or eventually become a disgrace in the eyes of humanity. And although we occasionally take a step back, for the most part we are making progress even if we don't elect a non-Caucasian president anytime soon. The idea that for "an empire" to be successful that it needs to be dominated by one particular ethnicity, race, color, or creed, is absolute ignorance and unAmerican.
  • Oct 23, 2008, 05:16 PM
    Stringer

    WakkieRob; I do not see what being in the service HAS ANYTHING to do with this. I too did my part when I flew a fighter in Nam... that has no reference here at all... for this subject and the stuff you are spewing...

    Talking about racism is the subject and hatred is not required.
  • Oct 23, 2008, 07:32 PM
    magprob

    "eventually become a disgrace in the eyes of humanity."

    I thought we were already there. Starting with the slaughter of the Indians then the slavery of Africans now the phoney war on Muslims.
    It will never end till it is Allah over.
  • Oct 24, 2008, 05:20 PM
    Galveston1

    Well Mag, I'm confused now. I thought it was radical Muslims who hijacked those passenger liners and flew them into the twin towers and the Pentegon.
    I do know that there are different sects within Islam, but we ARE at war with a sizable part of Islam. If they are NOT Muslims, then we need to hear that from them.
    Like, "I'm a rotten murderous terrorist who comes from the Middle East, but I am not a Muslim."
    Or, "I'm a Muslim from the Middle East, and I want you to understand that I am in NO WAY supportive of those rotten murderous guys who claim to be Muslims."
  • Oct 24, 2008, 07:18 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Galveston1 View Post
    "I'm a Muslim from the Middle East

    [or Pakistan or Myanmar or England or the U.S.],
    Quote:

    and I want you to understand that I am in NO WAY supportive of those rotten murderous guys who claim to be Muslims."
    Just like I'm Christian but am not one of those radical fundamentalist types who picket abortion clinics and shoot abortion doctors or who scream that you're going to hell.

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