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The Democratic "culture of corruption"

In the 2006 election (and beyond), Democrats campaigned hard on the "Republican culture of corruption" using Mark Foley as the poster child for its campaign. It turns out Tim Mahoney, the married man that ran against Foley promising "a world that is safer, more moral," apparently "agreed to a $121,000 payment to a former mistress who worked on his staff and was threatening to sue him, according to current and former members of his staff who have been briefed on the settlement" and "also promised the woman, Patricia Allen, a $50,000 a year job for two years at the agency that handles his campaign advertising."

The affair was taking place while "Mahoney was campaigning for Congress against Foley." No problem though, "Senior Democratic leaders in the House of Representatives, including Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL), the chair of the Democratic Caucus, have been working with Mahoney to keep the matter from hurting his re-election campaign." It might even earn him a new committee position from Pelosi.

Yes, this is the kind of change the Democrats bring to Washington.

I didn't read your post. After all, what could be more corrupt that the BUSH ADMINISTRATION. Nothing!

LIE TO GO INTO A WAR OF ADVENTURISM.

THUS, LOSING AFGHANISTAN ACCORDING TO MOST RECENT REPORTS.

CRONYISM WHICH CAUSED MANY DEATHS, ESP IN MINE ACCIDENTS.

FAILURE TO OVERLOOK THE MONEY MARKETS... CREDIT COLLAPSE AT HAND global economy near collapse.

No more time to list the crimes again for the umpteenth time. :) Nap time.

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Originally Posted by Choux

I didn't read your post. After all, what could be more corrupt that the BUSH ADMINISTRATION. Nothing!

LIE TO GO INTO A WAR OF ADVENTURISM.

THUS, LOSING AFGHANISTAN ACCORDING TO MOST RECENT REPORTS.

CRONYISM WHICH CAUSED MANY DEATHS, ESP IN MINE ACCIDENTS.

FAILURE TO OVERLOOK THE MONEY MARKETS...CREDIT COLLAPSE AT HAND global economy near collapse.

No more time to list the crimes again for the umpteenth time. :) Nap time.

Nap again? I think you are asleep right now!:D

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Originally Posted by Choux

I didn't read your post.

When it comes to knee-jerk you're the undisputed queen.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Yes, this is the kind of change the Democrats bring to Washington.

It never left Washington. Congress, on both sides of aisle, is not in position to get into a pi$$ing matches over morals. However on the issue, as a voter, I'm respectful of Barack Obama for having been faithful to his wife, "Michelle." As for John McCain, well he dumped his wife after his return home from Nam in favor of his current trophy wife, "Cindy."

No, neither side has much to brag on here, but harping on McCain dumping his first wife is a really pathetic attack. It happens, Bobby, how many divorced couples do you know? And for the record, McCain had the integrity to accept responsibility, which is more than I can say for Obama on virtually every weakness he's had, his pastor, Ayers, Rezko, ACORN - Obama dodges responsibility for everything.

McCain said of his first marriage it was "my own selfishness and immaturity. … I cannot escape blame by pointing a finger at the [stress of] war. The blame was entirely mine." His first wife Carol said this year "I have no bitterness." The only people with whom it's an issue are you adoring Obama fans, everyone else has reconciled and moved on. So why are you people of "change" dwelling on what happened nearly 30 years ago that is of absolutely no consequence to this election?

Huh? You posted on the issue of morals and used the example of high profile Democrat that was cheating on his wife, had a mistress on the side, and stated "Yes, this is the kind of change the Democrats bring to Washington."

I bring up the fact that Washington has made a mockery of morals on both sides of the aisle, and a little reminder of John McCain's personal history, but you reply that it was "pathetic attack."

Email this post to your pastor and ask him if he sees the hypocrisy.

Why has the ethics committee not been called into special session ? Why did Rahm Emanuel cover this up ? Why is there no ethics hearings on the abuses of power by Charles Rangel ? Why have they not forced Tim Mahoney to step down ?

Why doesn't the press make this front page news for the next 3 weeks ?

Frankly the hypocrisy is in how it is dealt with ;not that one side or the other has sleeze bags.

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

Email this post to your pastor and ask him if he sees the hypocrisy.

Now that was an even more pathetic attack.

Hello:

I don't know. Did the media go from being conservative to liberal in just 4 years?? Wow. I'da thunk it would have took longer. How is it, that the dufus could be elected WITH A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS, and the main stream media being in the pocket of his rival?? Hmpf. I kind of don't think he would have.

But, this is old stuff from you Republicans... If you don't like the message, shoot the messenger...

excon

That's like attacking the Catholic church whenever a priest gets himself into trouble with a little boy.

All I want to know is why doesn't Mahoney get the same treatment in the press that Foley got ? I know it would be too much to ask the Democrats to treat it the same. At the time of Foley Rahm Emanuel was very vocal in his condemnations of the Republican cover-up.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

All I want to know is why doesn't Mahoney get the same treatment in the press that Foley got ?

Hello again, tom:

Why?? It isn't news when Democrats commit heterosexual acts, even outside of marriage. It IS news, when the ANTI-GAY right wing finds a homosexual amongst its ranks.

I would have thought you could figure that stuff out.

excon

You know what- I don't really care who is jumping into whose bed. I didn't care when Clinton messed around with his secretary. Keep 'em happy- let them get a little something every once in awhile. When they start screwing up- that's when I'll start attacking their sex lives.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

Why???? It isn't news when Democrats commit heterosexual acts, even outside of marriage. It IS news, when the ANTI-GAY right wing finds a homosexual amongst its ranks.

I woulda thought you could figure that stuff out.

excon

Gee, it wasn't news when Edwards was outed for his affair? It IS news, especially when the guy is having his affair during his campaign following the Democrats' "Republican culture of corruption" theme with a promise of "a world that is safer, more moral."

Hello again, Steve:

You're really grabbing at straws, aren't you? Besides, you're defeating toms argument that the liberal left wing press leaves Democrats alone.

Maybe Mahoney doesn't get press, BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS WHO HE IS!! I certainly, don't, and I know everybody. On the other hand, people HAVE heard of Edwards.

excon

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Originally Posted by tomder55

why has the ethics committee not been called into special session ? Why did Rahm Emanuel cover this up ? Why is there no ethics hearings on the abuses of power by Charles Rangel ? Why have they not forced Tim Mahoney to step down ?

Why doesn't the press make this front page news for the next 3 weeks ?

Frankly the hypocricy is in how it is dealt with ;not that one side or the other has sleeze bags.

How can a group of people be hypocrites if their mantra is tolerance... OF EVERYTHING ;)

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Frankly the hypocricy is in how it is dealt with

Correct, and since some can't grasp that concept an explanation is in order:

McCain dumps first wife = the sleaze

McCain admits error and publicly claims all responsibility = repentance

Former wife has “no bitterness” and has remained friends with and backed him in all his campaigns = forgiveness and reconciliation

Continuing to punish a man who has repented and reconciled = pettiness, mercilessness, vindictiveness, spitefulness

My pastor would agree.

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You know what- I don't really care who is jumping into whose bed. I didn't care when Clinton messed around with his secretary. Keep 'em happy- let them get a little something every once in awhile. When they start screwing up- that's when I'll start attacking their sex lives.

Well there is also bribes and unlawful use of campaign funds and a bunch of other violations of the public trust involved of course . But if a Democrat is doing it ; like inthebox just correctly pointed out ,there are no ethical problems broached by people who think that all moral standards are subjective ; so who cares ?

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

You're really grabbing at straws, aren't you? Besides, you're defeating toms argument that the liberal left wing press leaves Democrats alone.

Grabbing at straws? You really can't see the hypocrisy? Edwards was a presidential candidate, the Dems VP nominee in the previous election, the guy went on Nightline, the timing hurt nothing - they HAD to cover him - at least get it through one news cycle. When it comes to Republicans they keep it in the mix for as long as they can.

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Maybe Mahoney doesn't get press, BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS WHO HE IS!! I certainly, don't, and I know everybody. On the other hand, people HAVE heard of Edwards.

Um, EVERYONE knew about Foley. The media, the blogs, the Huffpos, the Kossacks, the DUers, everyone made darn sure we knew about Foley. The Democrats crafted an entire campaign around him. We're supposed to brush off the sleaze of the guy who took his place after all that?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

We're supposed to brush off the sleaze of the guy who took his place after all that?

Hello again, Steve:

Apparently YOU didn't brush it off. Apparently you read about it SOMEWHERE. So the press IS reporting it, and you're free to brush off whatever you like.

I don't see he connection between what the press reports, and my (or your) political persuasion. Frankly, Steve, neither you OR I are the type of guys who brush off what the press, liberal or otherwise, tells us to. Yes, it IS a shame that there are people who believe anything they're told. What else is new?

excon

Mahoney's campaign slogan ?
"a world that is safer, more moral."
Lol
Lets not forget that the real news is that Dem House leaders knew about it and tried to cover it up even after they ran a campaign based on Republicans covering up the Foley issue.

Mark Fowley - “insufficient evidence” according to the prosecution... but he was forced to resign anyway and the Democrats gained a majority in the House in no small part because of the Foley scandal .

Emanuel and Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Chris Van Hollen both admit that they talked to Mahoney about this before the scandal broke .So they have been complicit in covering this up .

Will the MSM make that clear in the next few weeks ? I'll believe it when the Palm Beach Compost retracts their endorsement.
Mahoney has delivered

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Apparently you read about it SOMEWHERE.

Well when I see Katie Couric lead with the story every day for 3 weeks then I will believe there is equivalent reporting being done. When I see the NY Slimes have a weeks worth of front page headlines about it I will think they are giving it equal weight.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Well when I see Katie Couric lead with the story every day for 3 weeks then I will believe there is equivalent reporting being done. When I see the NY Slimes have a weeks worth of front page headlines about it I will think they are giving it equal weight.

Hello again, tom:

Three weeks leading on CBS?? A weeks worth of front page on the NY Times?? For WHO?? Mahoney??

Baloney!!

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Apparently YOU didn't brush it off. Apparently you read about it SOMEWHERE. So the press IS reporting it, and you're free to brush off whatever you like.

I certainly didn't read it in my paper, haven't seen it on the news, I was informed of it in an email yesterday.

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I don't see he connection between what the press reports, and my (or your) political persuasion. Frankly, Steve, neither you OR I are the type of guys who brush off what the press, liberal or otherwise, tells us to. Yes, it IS a shame that there are people who believe anything they're told. What else is new?

AP, Reuters, BBC, USA Today, the NY Times, LA Times, virtually every major news source is decidedly, obviously, sometimes admittedly liberally biased in their coverage. That's what makes it even more of a shame "that there are people who believe anything they're told."

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I certainly didn't read it in my paper, haven't seen it on the news, I was informed of it in an email yesterday. AP, Reuters, BBC, USA Today, the NY Times, LA Times, virtually every major news source is decidedly, obviously, sometimes admittedly liberally biased in their coverage. That's what makes it even more of a shame "that there are people who believe anything they're told."

Hello again, Steve:

Yeah, but the Republican base doesn't read that stuff. They listen to the O'Reilly's and the Limprod's out there - and THEY believe that CRAP.

I'd say we're even on the dissemination of spun up news.

excon

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Three weeks leading on CBS?? A weeks worth of front page on the NY Times?? For WHO?? Mahoney??

Baloney!!

For Foley in the middle of an election cycle ? Baloney!! And yet it happened .

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Yeah, but the Republican base doesn't read that stuff. They listen to the O'Reilly's and the Limprod's out there - and THEY believe that CRAP.

I'd say we're even on the dissemination of spun up news.

And I've listened to enough talk radio to know which callers tend to be unhinged dupes and which tend to be rational people who think for themselves. By far, the brainwashed kooks are lefties.

Don't be shocked, but I'm giving kudos to ABC for following up on this. ABC has audio of Mahoney - the guy that replaced the disgraced Mark Foley and promised a "a world that is safer, more moral" - firing his mistress with some of that much heralded liberal compassion. ABC's transcript:

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"You work at my pleasure," Congressman Mahoney told Allen on a January 20, 2008 telephone call that was recorded and played for Mahoney staffers. ABC News was provided a copy.

"If you do the job that I think you should do, you get to keep your job. Whenever I don't feel like you're doing your job, then you lose your job," Mahoney can be heard telling Allen.

"And guess what? The only person that matters is guess who? Me. You understand that. That is how life really is. That is how it works," Mahoney says on the call.

"You're fired," Mahoney tells her. "Do you hear me? Don't tell me whether it's correct or not."

Allen says, "Tell me why else I'm fired."

"There is no why else," Mahoney responds.

Later, Allen says, "You're firing me for other reasons. You don't, you're not man enough to say it. So why don't you say it."

The portion of the tape provided to ABC News cuts off when the two begin a profanity-laced argument.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter...81010_main.jpg

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Now that was an even more pathetic attack.

Let's see if I'm half as pathetic in your pastor's eyes, as you are a hypocrite. How's that email to your pastor coming along? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

Let's see if I'm half as pathetic in your pastor's eyes, as you are a hypocrite. How's that email to your pastor coming along? :rolleyes:

For an "expert" on Christianity, you've obviously you've missed the boat on understanding repentance and forgiveness. It's really very fundamental, I'm surprised you can't grasp the concept.

I know your NT book better than most Christians, and perhaps better than you. Don't let your opinion of me sidetrack you from shooting an email over to your pastor on this post. Please be my guest. ;)

Do you know this one? "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness."

ABC News continues to fly solo on this story :
ABC News: FBI Reported to Begin Probe of Florida Congressman
But it is not in their main section.. it is is in a separate "investigative" section of their web site .

This thing could be picking up a little traction. There was a brief mention in our paper from AP, and WaPo is reporting “a person close to his campaign told The Associated Press that Mahoney also was having an affair with a second woman around the same time.”

What he meant by a world “more moral” is becoming much clearer.

But no way Madame Mimi allows the Ethics Committee to investigate until after the election.

Someone should tell him to scrub his campaign website:

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Everything broke right for Rep. Mahoney, D-Palm Beach Gardens, in 2006. Six weeks before the election, 12-year GOP incumbent Mark Foley remained the strong favorite in U.S. House District 16. Then came revelations of Foley's lewd e-mails to underage pages.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Do you know this one? "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness."

Sure. I read that in the NT. It reminds me of self-proclaimed Christians that make up their own rules. But what does that have to do with you emailing your pastor and running a few posts by him??

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

Sure. I read that in the NT. It reminds me of self-proclaimed Christians that make up their own rules. But what does that have to do with you emailing your pastor and running a few posts by him???

This...

3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

4 How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. --Matthew 7:3-5 NIV

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

This...

3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

4 How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. --Matthew 7:3-5 NIV

Exactly. You don't have to convince me. I think it identifies some of your recent posts perfectly. I'm just waiting for you to email your pastor the recent dialogue, so you could hear it from him since you don't trust me.