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  • Sep 30, 2008, 09:47 AM
    Galveston1
    What is a community organizer?
    I realize that I'm out of the loop a lot, but I finally realized what a community organizer is. There are three prominent ones at the present time: Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Barak Hussein Obama.

    Now it comes to light that Obama worked with ACORN to pressure banks into giving mortgages to unqualified borrowers (minorities). This being the case, Obama is a part of the problem of the melt-down. Of course, he will deny it and say he has a PLAN to correct the problem, and most of the media slaves will give him a complete pass. Obama is nothing more than a carefully packaged Jackson or Sharpton.

    Of course, that is completely in line with his mantra of CHANGE.
  • Sep 30, 2008, 10:00 AM
    tomder55

    Mona Charen addresses this question this morning in her column. Note : the Dems were forced to remove a provision of the bailout legislation that would've skimmed 20% of any profit the government might realize from the purchase of garbage debt to go to groups like ACORN.



    Quote:

    The financial markets were teetering on the edge of an abyss last week. The secretary of the Treasury was literally on his knees begging the speaker of the House not to sabotage the bailout bill. The crash of falling banks made the earth tremble. The Republican presidential candidate suspended his campaign to deal with the crisis. And amid all this, the Democrats in Congress managed to find time to slip language into the bailout legislation that would provide a dandy little slush fund for ACORN.
    ACORN stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, a busy hive of left-wing agitation and "direct action" that claims chapters in 50 cities and 100,000 dues-paying members. ACORN is where Sixties leftovers who couldn't get tenure at universities wound up. That the bill-writing Democrats remembered their pet clients during such an emergency speaks volumes. This attempted gift to ACORN (stripped out of the bill after outraged howls from Republicans) demonstrates how little Democrats understand about what caused the mess we're in.

    ACORN does many things under the umbrella of "community organizing." They agitate for higher minimum wages, attempt to thwart school reform, try to unionize welfare workers (that is, those welfare recipients who are obliged to work in exchange for benefits) and organize voter registration efforts (always for Democrats, of course). Because they are on the side of righteousness and justice, they aren't especially fastidious about their methods. [Note this means the adopt the methods of the radical Saul Alinsky]In 2006, for example, ACORN registered 1,800 new voters in Washington. The only trouble was, with the exception of six, all of the names submitted were fake. The secretary of state called it the "worst case of election fraud in our state's history." As Fox News reported:
    "The ACORN workers told state investigators that they went to the Seattle public library, sat at a table and filled out the voter registration forms. They made up names, addresses, and Social Security numbers and in some cases plucked names from the phone book. One worker said it was a lot of hard work making up all those names and another said he would sit at home, smoke marijuana and fill out the forms."
    ACORN explained that this was an "isolated" incident, yet similar stories have been reported in Missouri, Michigan, Ohio, and Colorado -- all swing states, by the way. ACORN members have been prosecuted for voter fraud in a number of states. (See Rotten ACORN :: Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.) Their philosophy seems to be that everyone deserves the right to vote, whether legal or illegal, living or dead.
    ACORN recognized very early the opportunity presented by the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) of 1977. As Stanley Kurtz has reported, ACORN proudly touted "affirmative action" lending and pressured banks to make subprime loans. Madeline Talbott, a Chicago ACORN leader, boasted of "dragging banks kicking and screaming" into dubious loans. And, as Sol Stern reported in City Journal, ACORN also found a remunerative niche as an "advisor" to banks seeking regulatory approval. "Thus we have J.P. Morgan & Co., the legatee of the man who once symbolized for many all that was supposedly evil about American capitalism, suddenly donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to ACORN." Is this a great country or what? As conservative community activist Robert Woodson put it, "The same corporations that pay ransom to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton pay ransom to ACORN."
    ACORN attracted Barack Obama in his youthful community organizing days. Madeline Talbott hired him to train her staff -- the very people who would later descend on Chicago's banks as CRA shakedown artists. The Democratic nominee later funneled money to the group through the Woods Fund, on whose board he sat, and through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, ditto. Obama was not just sympathetic -- he was an ACORN fellow traveler.
    Now you could make the case that before 2008, well-intentioned people were simply unaware of what their agitation on behalf of non-credit-worthy borrowers could lead to. But now? With the whole financial world and possibly the world economy trembling and cracking like a cement building in an earthquake, Democrats continue to try to fund their friends at ACORN? And, unashamed, they then trot out to the TV cameras to declare "the party is over" for Wall Street (Nancy Pelosi)? The party should be over for the Democrats who brought us to this pass. If Obama wins, it means hiring an arsonist to fight a fire.

    Copyright 2008, Creators Syndicate Inc.

  • Sep 30, 2008, 10:35 AM
    magprob
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Galveston1 View Post
    I realize that I'm out of the loop a lot, but I finally realized what a community organizer is. There are three prominent ones at the present time: Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Barak Hussein Obama.

    Now it comes to light that Obama worked with ACORN to pressure banks into giving mortgages to unqualified borrowers (minorities). This being the case, Obama is a part of the problem of the melt-down. Of course, he will deny it and say he has a PLAN to correct the problem, and most of the media slaves will give him a complete pass. Obama is nothing more than a carefully packaged Jackson or Sharpton.

    Of course, that is completely in line with his mantra of CHANGE.

    I just have to say, Great post and great observation. Thank you.

    I had some clown tell me Jesus was a community organizer. Wow, America is really going down the tubes. These idiots deserve everything they are losing.
  • Sep 30, 2008, 10:37 AM
    tomder55

    Quote:

    I had some clown tell me Jesus was a community organizer. Wow, America is really going down the tubes. These idiots deserve everything they are losing.
    You forgot the best part of the diss. They go on to say that Pontius Pilot was a Governor lol .
  • Sep 30, 2008, 11:20 AM
    excon
    Hello Gal:

    Well, of course when it's all going south, it's the other guy's fault. Hopefully, you're not buying into the party line...

    But, the TRUTH of the matter (and you can count on me to give you the TRUTH and NOT the party line), is EVERYBODY is part of the problem. As an example, everybody was taking credit for the wonderful economy when it WAS working.

    The list of bad guys includes, but is not limited to: poor people who lied, real estate salesmen who made commissions, loan brokers who made commissions, bankers who made commissions, hedge funds who made commissions, banks and other Wall Streeters who made commissions. Then there are the lobbyists who made money, politicians of BOTH stripes who got large campaign contributions, and who passed laws that allowed it to happen, and the dufus in chief who was gushing about HIS economy because of DE regulation. Finally, it was those heads of the regulating agencies who didn't regulate because they were appointed by the dufus, who has a philosophy that government regulation IS the problem.

    So, don't buy into this OTHER guy crap. You've been waiting for my fiscal conservative side to emerge. Of course, it's always been there, but we don't talk a lot about economic matters. The Republicans in congress have it right. Or, at least in the short run. I hope they don't cave into the BIG giveaway. Alas and alack. It appears that I'm even to the right of these extreme right wingers.

    If I may digress for a moment, inflation is still the enemy regardless of how much they scream about the pain we're in NOW. You see, inflation (or free money), is very much like an addiction. A good shot of free money would free real good right now. Then everybody would be off the hook. And, it WOULD feel good too. But, like any addiction, we'll feel good for a time, but there WILL be a reckoning ahead. Of that, there IS NO QUESTION.

    Therefore, I suggest that if there's going to be pain, then let there be pain. The pain we'll experience NOW, will be much less than the one that's sure to come. So, I say NO bailout. Let these companies die. Out of the ashes, stronger companies will grow.

    excon

    PS> Oh yeah, what is a community organizer? Well, he's like me. I'm organizing you folks. It's just that you folks don't comply.
  • Sep 30, 2008, 12:14 PM
    magprob

    I couldn't agree more. Also, we have to pay the countries that have bought our debt. The only problem is, our fiat monopoly money is near worthless so it will take about SEVENHUNDREDBIZILLION pieces of paper to get er done.

    As far as fault, I've been working my azz off for years and paying my taxes. My home and my Chevy are paid for. I don't steal and I try not to lie. If I am to blame then tell me for what.
  • Sep 30, 2008, 03:05 PM
    Galveston1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello Gal:

    Well, of course when it's all going south, it's the other guy's fault. Hopefully, you're not buying into the party line.....

    But, the TRUTH of the matter (and you can count on me to give you the TRUTH and NOT the party line), is EVERYBODY is part of the problem. As an example, everybody was taking credit for the wonderful economy when it WAS working.

    The list of bad guys includes, but is not limited to: poor people who lied, real estate salesmen who made commissions, loan brokers who made commissions, bankers who made commissions, hedge funds who made commissions, banks and other Wall Streeters who made commissions. Then there are the lobbyists who made money, politicians of BOTH stripes who got large campaign contributions, and who passed laws that allowed it to happen, and the dufus in chief who was gushing about HIS economy because of DE regulation. Finally, it was those heads of the regulating agencies who didn't regulate because they were appointed by the dufus, who has a philosophy that government regulation IS the problem.

    So, don't buy into this OTHER guy crap. You've been waiting for my fiscal conservative side to emerge. Of course, it's always been there, but we don't talk a lot about economic matters. The Republicans in congress have it right. Or, at least in the short run. I hope they don't cave into the BIG giveaway. Alas and alack. It appears that I'm even to the right of these extreme right wingers.

    If I may digress for a moment, inflation is still the enemy regardless of how much they scream about the pain we're in NOW. You see, inflation (or free money), is very much like an addiction. A good shot of free money would free real good right now. Then everybody would be off the hook. And, it WOULD feel good too. But, like any addiction, we'll feel good for a time, but there WILL be a reckoning ahead. Of that, there IS NO QUESTION.

    Therefore, I suggest that if there's going to be pain, then let there be pain. The pain we'll experience NOW, will be much less than the one that's sure to come. So, I say NO bailout. Let these companies die. Out of the ashes, stronger companies will grow.

    excon

    PS> Oh yeah, what is a community organizer? Well, he's like me. I'm organizing you folks. It's just that you folks don't comply.

    All sad, but true, Ex. The big problem is that THESE people aren't running for president jof the USA. Obama IS!!
  • Sep 30, 2008, 05:32 PM
    tomder55

    IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- ACORN's Senator
  • Sep 30, 2008, 09:53 PM
    BABRAM

    Psssst Galveston... I know you're for country disorganization under John McCain. I'm not surprised. However the organizing candidate's name is spelled B-a-r-a-c-k Hussein Obama. BTW if you think I care about a person's middle name being "Hussein," think again. It doesn't mean anything to people that are not prejudice.
  • Oct 1, 2008, 02:11 PM
    Galveston1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BABRAM View Post
    Psssst Galveston...I know you're for country disorganization under John McCain. I'm not surprised. However the organizing candidate's name is spelled B-a-r-a-c-k Hussein Obama. BTW if you think I care about a person's middle name being "Hussein," think again. It doesn't mean anything to people that are not prejudice.

    Nice sidestep, Bobby. Now tell me how Obama is DIFFERENT from Jesse and Al.
  • Oct 1, 2008, 07:28 PM
    inthebox
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by magprob View Post
    I just have to say, Great post and great observation. Thank you.

    I had some clown tell me Jesus was a community organizer. Wow, America is really going down the tubes. These idiots deserve everything they are losing.



    Only the secular media would put "commmunity organizer" and Jesus as comparable.

    Christians know Jesus is the savior of the world.

    Even Jews and Muslims acknowledge Jesus as a prophet.

    The fact that the Obama camp does not clarify that NO ONE can compare to Jesus speaks volumes as to Obama's belief. Messiah complex it is. ;)
  • Oct 1, 2008, 08:39 PM
    magprob

    Q. Why won't Obama Messiah release his real birth certificate?

    A. It shows that he didn't have a virgin birth.
  • Oct 2, 2008, 02:10 PM
    Galveston1

    I am more interested why he hasn't offered proof of his Christian baptism. There are a lot of Christians who believe he is still a Muslim. Call it prejudice if you will, but there are a lot of people who wouldn't vote for Romney because he is Mormon, and there wire a lot of people who didn't vote for Kennedy because he was Catholic. Suspicion may be born of prejudice or not. Obama could allay much of this if he would either show that baptismal record or make a clear-cut testimony that Jesus is his Lord. (He does claim to be a Christian, right?)
  • Oct 2, 2008, 02:41 PM
    wildandblue

    I thought Bush was the one with the messiah ideas.
    Obama is different from Sharpton and Jackson in that he is from a priviledged background. His father is not descended from American blacks and never experienced segregation,Jim Crow, the Civil Rights movement, or American slavery which is the whole black experience in America
  • Oct 2, 2008, 04:26 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wildandblue View Post
    I thought Bush was the one with the messiah ideas.
    Obama is different from Sharpton and Jackson in that he is from a priviledged background. His father is not descended from American blacks and never experienced segregation,Jim Crow, the Civil Rights movement, or American slavery which is the whole black experience in America


    Huge fallacies in your argument. Barack's father is not running for President and note that every Black child (or person of darker skin tone) born today in America, didn't live under Jim Crow laws or march in the Civil Rights movement. Your point is moot. Barack Obama is an "American," a United States citizen and has encountered the same stigmas as any other African American. Lastly the whole Black experience is not relegated to the past, as you claimed. There are still multiple issues that have to be reckon within Black communities. However the Black experience also has to be appreciated historically having witnessed the first African American nominee for President coming from a major party. That's quite a breakthrough after two hundred years, and I am proud for them!
  • Oct 2, 2008, 04:30 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Galveston1 View Post
    Nice sidestep, Bobby. Now tell me how Obama is DIFFERENT from Jesse and Al.

    In which way do you think they're all the same??
  • Oct 3, 2008, 10:44 AM
    Galveston1

    I asked you first, professor. (Did I guess right?)
  • Oct 3, 2008, 11:47 AM
    wildandblue

    I'm saying Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have paid their dues and came up the hard way in America, they're not some interloper who wants to use them without actually struggling to get by. Just so obnoxious I mean after the primary, we're all in the midst of foreclosure crisis and the candidate and his wife take a quick vacation to relax in the Bahamas?
    Reminds you of Bush's first term, right after inauguration the President goes on vacation for a month, like he thinks
    President is another parttime job like Governor of Texas.
  • Oct 3, 2008, 12:53 PM
    spitvenom

    Wow I never knew someone who was raised by a single parent was considered to be from privileged background. I had both parents growing up I must be part of the Elite!! Regardless of if he didn't grow up in Jim Crow how many black people do you think lived in Hawaii with him? I've read Dreams from my Father and there was NOTHING privileged about Obama's Background. He dealt with racism just like every other black person in America.
  • Oct 3, 2008, 12:56 PM
    wildandblue

    Isn't his mother a senator's daughter? He attended an Ivy league school?
  • Oct 3, 2008, 01:22 PM
    spitvenom

    No his grandfather was not a Senator I don't know where you got that from. He served in WWII but was nowhere near being a Senator. And yes he went to an Ivy league school and he just finished paying off his student loans in his 40's. See his mind got him into an Ivy league school and student loans are what paid for it. Privileged people don't have to be smart to get into an Ivy league school the just need their Daddy Just ask G DUB.
  • Oct 3, 2008, 04:39 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    See his mind got him into an Ivy league school and student loans are what paid for it.

    Percy Sutton, a NY city political icon in the African American community and former lawyer for Malcolm X , told a reporter that Dr. Khalid al Mansour solicited funds and a recommendation on behalf of Obama in order to secure Barack's entry into Harvard.
    Sutton says
    Quote:

    "I was introduced to him by a friend who was raising money for him and the friends name was Dr. Khalid al Mansour from Texas. He is the principle adviser to one of the world's richest men. He told me about Obama. He wrote to me about him and his introduction was 'there is a young man that has applied to Harvard and I know that you have a few friends left there becasue you used to go up there to speak, would you please write a letter in support of him?'...I wrote a letter in support of him to my friends at Harvard saying ot them I thought there was a genius that was going to be available and I sure hoped they would treat him kindly."
    So who is Khalid al-Mansour ? Khalid al-Mansour was originally named Donald Warden. As Donald Warden, he mentored Bobby Seale and Huey Newton, founders of the Black Panthers.
    http://bulk.resource.org/gpo.gov/rec...007_E00824.pdf

    Dr. Al-Mansour is an International Attorney and Businessman. His college education was obtained at Howard University, where he majored in Philosophy and Logic, and at the University of California School of Law at Berkeley where he received his Doctor of Jurisprudence degree.
    He is a Phi Beta Kappa recipient and is listed in the World's Who's Who in Finance and Industry, International Who's Who in the Arab World, Who's Who in Public Affairs, Royal Blue Book of London, International Who's Who of Intellectuals, Who's Who in American Law, Who's Who in California, Who's Who in the World and Who's Who in Black America.
    Dr. Al-Mansour has spent most of his adult life as a businessman/lawyer, intellectual, religious activist, author and teacher. His business and professional interests include co-founding the International Law Firm of Al-Waleed, Al-Talal & Al-Mansour, representing the O.P.E.C. interest of the famous Los Angeles trial, I.M.A.W.C. vs. O.P.E.C.; and serving as a co-founder and director of the Saudi African Bank (SAB), the United Bank for Africa (UBA) and the World United Bank for Africa (WUBA).
    http://www.ahmeddeedat.co.za/product...AN008D&CAT=DVD

    So there is another unanswered question... why did Mansour take such an interest in the young Barack Obama ? Is Obama the Mansourian Candidate ?
  • Oct 3, 2008, 06:11 PM
    Wondergirl

    If you'd do your homework, you'd find that that story is not true. Here's one short article about it from politico.com:

    September 06, 2008
    Categories: Barack Obama
    Sutton family retracts Obama story

    Conservative bloggers have, understandably, spent some time in recent days chasing suggestive comments made by the former Manhattan borough president Percy Sutton earlier this year.

    Sutton had suggested in an interview that a former Black Panther and advisor to Saudi royals, Khalid al-Mansour, had played some previously unknown role in Obama's pre-political life.

    I wrote about the story in detail here; Obama's camp, apparently puzzled and eager to put the story to rest, flatly denied his knowing al-Mansour, and details of Sutton's account appeared not to make sense.

    After I wrote it, al-Mansour also called me back, and said he'd never met Obama, and had no idea where the story came from; his only hesitance in denying it, he said, had been in contradicting Sutton, "a dear friend, his health is not good."

    This evening, a spokesman for Sutton's family, Kevin Wardally, e-mailed over a statement that (because there's absolutely no other evidence for the story, and much that contradicts it) seems to put the story to rest for good:

    The information Mr. Percy Sutton imparted on March 25 in a NY1 News interview regarding his connection to Barack Obama is inaccurate. As best as our family and the Chairman's closest friends can tell, Mr. Sutton, now 86 years of age, misspoke in describing certain details and events in that television interview.

    We regret this unfortunate incident and we ask good conscientious people to extend compassion and grace to Percy Sutton, a man who has served America in many capacities; an officer with the Tuskegee Airmen in World War II and as a public servant who was the first elected African-American Manhattan Borough President.

    By Ben Smith 09:30 PM
  • Oct 3, 2008, 06:27 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Galveston1 View Post
    I asked you first, professor. (Did I guess right?)


    I disagree. You we're attempting to make a point and I wanted to hear your explanation. I'll prove it to you.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Galveston1 View Post
    Nice sidestep, Bobby. Now tell me how Obama is DIFFERENT from Jesse and Al.

    See! You didn't ask a question. You made a statement.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BABRAM View Post
    In which way do you think they're all the same???

    I asked the question. Notice that the three question marks are emphasized at the end of my sentence.
  • Oct 3, 2008, 06:31 PM
    Wondergirl

    Regarding the Obama college loans, here's another one from foxnews.com:

    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04...student-loans/

    Apparently, their monthly loan payment amounted to more than their mortgage payment. (If you want raw figures, as I librarian I will get those for you.)
  • Oct 3, 2008, 06:42 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Galveston1 View Post
    Suspicion may be born of prejudice or not. Obama could allay much of this if he would either show that baptismal record or make a clear-cut testimony that Jesus is his Lord. (He does claim to be a Christian, right?)

    He has said that more than once, that Jesus is his Lord. Have you become a Doubting Thomas and need to "touch" that proof? (And if you really think about it, how valuable would a baptismal certificate be? Then you'd say, anyone can be baptized Christian and turn Muslim. N.B.: Cassius Clay.)
  • Oct 3, 2008, 08:12 PM
    inthebox

    How does being a "community organizer"

    Qualify one to be POTUS?
  • Oct 3, 2008, 08:20 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by inthebox View Post
    How does being a "community organizer" qualify one to be POTUS?

    NONE of the candidates is qualified to be POTUS. Like Whoopi Goldberg said, "The only ones qualified are the ones who've already done it."

    There is no way to prepare someone to be POTUS. It's on-the-job training.
  • Oct 3, 2008, 08:30 PM
    inthebox

    So why is a "community organizer" not questioned about his abilities as much as a govenor?


    How Many United States Presidents Were Governors First?


    Did people not think

    Reagan
    Clinton
    Carter
    Fdr


    Etc were qualified?


    What "community organizers" became POTUS?
  • Oct 3, 2008, 08:35 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by inthebox View Post
    So why is a "community organizer" not questioned about his abilities as much as a govenor?

    Not "a" governor. "This" governor. Because the former community organizer can think on his feet while chewing gum and patting his stomach.
  • Oct 3, 2008, 08:39 PM
    inthebox

    What "community organizers" became POTUS?

    can think on his feet while chewing gum and patting his stomach.


    Is this your litmus test to be POTUS :D

    I wonder if FDR in his latter years could do this?
  • Oct 3, 2008, 08:47 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by inthebox View Post
    I wonder if FDR in his latter years could do this?

    He had proven himself by that time.
  • Oct 4, 2008, 02:16 AM
    tomder55
    I guess Percy Sutton also has tire tracks on his back from the Obama bus.

    I forgot to mention that Sutton named Mansour as an advisor to Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal. The prince that Rudi refused to accept a donation from after 9-11

    Wondergirl ,while doing your "homework " did you find a retraction from Percy Sutton himself ? Sutton has been prominent in NY politcs for years and has never been shy for speaking for himself. Why is it that he made the statement on the radio but it is his family that is making the retraction ? Sutton has had close business dealings with Mansour before .It is highly doubtful that he "misspoke" .

    I'm thrilled that Ben Smith has become the source of record on this story but he is hardly a reliable source on his own.. is he ? Did he produce a retraction from the primary source on the record ? No he didn't .

    What he produced is a statement from "Sutton family adviser" Kevin Wardally.Wardally went so far as to claim Sutton was wrong when he said he wrote a letter of recommendation for Obama to friends at Harvard. Do you really believe he misspoke about both these things ?Sutton's assistant, Karen Malone even questioned who Wardally is . When told he claimed to be a family spokesman, she denied it .

    So what we have on one side is a video of Sutton making his claim ;and on the other side, an alleged "spokesman" for Sutton's "family " making a retraction to a blogger. Uh-huh

    What we do know about Wardally is that he has been taking on the old guard of Harlem politics .The old guard of Harlem just happens to include Sutton so I think Smith is wrong in his assertion that he has any ties at all to the Sutton family.

    Al Mansour has neither confirmed nor denied the accuracy of Sutton's claim. He is determined to keep a low profile so he refuses to speak about the issue of his relationship with Obama.

    Obama has not released anything about his "student loan " so we have no way of knowing how much of the alleged loan the Obama family paid off. Harvard as a policy will not release that information without a student's approval. (Obama has also not released any confirming information that he met even the minimum Harvard law School requirements for admission.What we do know is that the standards are very tough and Obama did not exactly shine as a student at Columbia)

    Michelle Obama gave her claim without showing how much of the monthly payments they made were for her loan .In fact there has been no confirming information about her statement at all .Their income tax statements from the last 7 years shows no deduction for student loans even though Michelle claims that they did not retire the debt until his 2nd book which they reported as income first in 2005.
  • Oct 4, 2008, 08:35 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Their income tax statements from the last 7 years shows no deduction for student loans even though Michelle claims that they did not retire the debt until his 2nd book which they reported as income first in 2005.

    Student loans are deductible?? Boy, did my husband and I screw up our tax returns for ten years. I'll tell my son who is paying off big ones now.
  • Oct 4, 2008, 11:08 AM
    Galveston1

    OK, Bobby, here's the way it looks to me. Jesse, Al and Barack all seemed to do pretty well financially while putting pressure on various govt and private agencys to provide more free perks for their "community".
    So now, what difference do you see?
    That help?
  • Oct 4, 2008, 08:29 PM
    BABRAM
    Well first off Obama, never had to father a child out of wedlock, nor did he ever cheat on his wife. Jesse Jackson on the other hand did. Oddly enough though Jesse holds to a more strict anti-abortion view, as an ordained minister. Whereas Obama practised law and is pro-choice. As for civil rights, all three, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Barack Obama are faithful to the cause. In that itself, I support. The biggest problem I have with Jesse Jackson is that he's shows up and attempts to take credit for that which he wasn't invited. Obama doesn't operate that way. BTW, Al Sharpton supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries and Jesse Jackson had less than flattering words for Barack Obama... something about cutting his... never mind.

    Anyway all three together are by far less affluent with wealth than many of the fat cats in the political realm. However, I do agree with identifying abuses that come in many forms. That's why I advocate strongly for welfare reform, which also separates Obama from others. He actually does want some reform. Your point of contention has far less implications by comparison to that of large Corporations that are receiving tax breaks under the Republicans, while CEO's are getting the perks. This also is one of the reasons the recent bailout bill was scrutinized for fear that it would never trickle down to those in need.
  • Oct 5, 2008, 02:13 AM
    tomder55
    Wondergirl

    http://taxes.about.com/od/deductions...entloanint.htm
  • Oct 5, 2008, 09:30 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post

    Interest being deductible is a wee bit different from loans being deductible.
  • Oct 5, 2008, 12:29 PM
    wildandblue

    The whole welfare to work thing, he doesn't get it. There are no jobs out there even for people who desperately want to work and support themselves and want to put a roof aver their head and get food and medical care, let alone people who have a check coming and public housing but need a little incentive to take care of themselves, maybe for the first time in their lives. The people who are struggling to get to work with gas prices, the people who are desperately hanging on to a demeaning or dangerous job for fear of downsizing, or their company is full of illegal aliens... telling them you want to add more laborers to the workforce just makes them angry.
  • Oct 5, 2008, 12:48 PM
    Wondergirl

    There are lots of jobs open around here. Send 'em this way.

    Not sure what you consider a demeaning job. Shelving books at the library? Mopping the hospital floor after cleaning up after a patient?

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