Hello:
So, if some black politician, perhaps by the name of Obama, had a Pastor who is an ACTIVE witch hunter, do you think Sean Hannity and the Limp one would make a big deal about it? I think they would.
Well, guess what?
excon
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Hello:
So, if some black politician, perhaps by the name of Obama, had a Pastor who is an ACTIVE witch hunter, do you think Sean Hannity and the Limp one would make a big deal about it? I think they would.
Well, guess what?
excon
He was not her pastor ; he visited the church on occasion from Kenya .
I know it sounds weird to you but we pray frequently for God to "delivered us from evil" .
First things first, this guy has never been Palin's pastor and the prayer he prayed over her was fairly innocuous - especially in the light you present it in comparison to Jeremiah Wright's rants and radically leftist theology. Here's a transcript though I can't vouch for its accuracy.
Seeing as how the guy is a pastor from Kenya and witchcraft is still very much a part of their culture I don't see how this would be all that odd. The Catholic church sees a problem with witchcraft there, are they all nuts, too?Quote:
"Let's pray for Sarah. Come on, Halleluja, come on raise up your hands. Talk to God about this woman. We declare favour from today. We say favour, favour, favour, we say grace, my God. [Palin appears at the front]. We say grace be rained upon her in the name of Jesus. My God, you make room, you make ways in the desert, and I'm asking you today. We are asking you, as the body of Christ in this valley, make a way for Sarah, even in the political arena. Make a way my God. Bring finances her way, even for the campaign, in the name of Jesus. And above all, give her the personnel, give her men and women that will buck her up in the name of Jesus. We want righteousness in this state, we want righteousness in this nation, because you say... [inaudible]...
"Our father, use her to turn this nation the other way around. Use her to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to the fathers. So that the curse that has been along can be broken, in the name of Jesus. Father we thank you today. We're come against every hindrance of the enemy standing in her way today, in the name of Jesus. In the name of Jesus. Every form of witchcraft is what you rebuke, in the name of Jesus. Father, make her way now, in Jesus' name. Amen."
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Nahhh. I know what you Christians do... However, PRAYER is one thing. Running people out of town is yet another...
Yup. Muthee RAN a witch out of town down there in the dark continent. You know, they DIE when they're run out of town...
I knew you guys would start spinning like a top. Keep it up.
excon
Oh many people think we are nuts.
But that's besides the point . If she was getting some protection against witchcraft most likely she was anticipating a run against Evita. :)
Steve is correct . In many places Christian missionaries sometimes encounter a populace that practices witchcraft so that would be part of their standard prayer routine.
I'd say you spun it in your question. Hannity and the other conservative pundits point was that the rants from the pulpit by Rev Wright were political rants and not even close to being spiritual.Quote:
I knew you guys would start spinning like a top. Keep it up
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
So, it's OK when it's a standard prayer routine in a REPUBLICAN church, but not OK when it's a standard prayer routine in OBAMA'S church...
I get it now... And, so does everybody else. Bwa, ha ha ha ha.
excon
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Great. I'm even understanding MORE, now. Thanks. So, it's OK to spew hatred if you wrap it in spirituality, but not OK if you just plain spew it.
Yeah, makes perfect sense now. Bwa, ha ha ha ha.
excon
Where was the hatred? Praying for righteousness in this nation, praying for our political leaders, praying for blessings and God's grace on someone "even in" their careers political or otherwise is common in churches across this country. Yelling "GD America" or that the government is spreading the AIDS virus to blacks is not. That isn't spin, it's just the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
He wasn't spewing hatred ;he was blessing her. Maybe if he was doing the gyrations describing what BJ Clintoon did to Monica you could describe it as hatred .
There is no comparison between this visiting priest and sitting in a church listening to 20 years of Rev Wright's peculiar brand of Black Liberation Theology.
A better comparison of the Obama situation would be if he were white and going to the World Church of the Creator listening to Ben Klassen preach
Hello again, guys:
Well, you'd certainly think it was hatred if you were the one accused of being a witch.
You guy's, of course, DRANK the religion koolaid, so you'll NEVER see the hatred in your church. Oh, you can see it in the OTHER guys church, like OBAMA'S, but not your own...
I say again, bwa, ha ha ha ha.
excon
If you could show me where he accused someone of being a witch in that prayer - which is the point of discussion here isn't it - I'd jump over to your side. Thanks to some digging I found the source of this tale, and the claims I've found that Muthee ran this woman out of town, gathered up a mob and went after her, got the police involved who fired shots and killed one of her pets and all the other whimsical claims about Palin's alleged "mentor" come up empty. Here's where it's apparently all based according to the Charleston Gazzette:Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I didn't see anything about "His preaching roused angry residents who wanted to stone the woman to death." Did you? It just says that after "round-the-clock" prayer "she left town."Quote:
Targeting cities with 'spiritual mapping,' prayer
Jane Lampman, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
BOSTON—
Can the 'spiritual DNA' of a community be altered?" That's the question posed in a Christian video called "Transformations."
Kenyan pastor Thomas Muthee is convinced that it can be. In 1988, he and his wife, Margaret, were "called by God to Kiambu," a notorious, violence-ridden suburb of Nairobi and a "ministry graveyard" for churches for years. They began six months of fervent prayer and research.
Pondering the message of Eph.6:12 ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world... "), they prayed to identify the source of Kiambu's spiritual oppression, Mr. Muthee says. Their answer: the spirit of witchcraft.
Their research into the community revealed that a woman called "Mama Jane" ran a "divination clinic" frequented by the town's most powerful people.
After months of prayer, Muthee held a crusade that "brought about 200 people to Christ." Their church in the basement of a grocery store was dubbed "The Prayer Cave," as members set up round-the-clock intercession. Mama Jane counterattacked, he says, but eventually "the demonic influence - the 'principality' over Kiambu - was broken," and she left town.
The atmosphere changed dramatically: Bars closed, the crime rate dropped, people began to move to the area, and the economy took an upturn. The church now has 5,000 members, he says, and 400 members meet to pray daily at 6 a.m.
"Bars closed, the crime rate dropped, people began to move to the area, and the economy took an upturn."
That sounds rather positive to me.
Wow look at all that research over a single guest priest saying a single prayer on behalf of Palin!! All with the intent to smear her.
If only the press would devote such resource to answer lingering unanswered questions about Obama that are ongoing now for almost 2 years .
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Let's be clear. She wasn't hated any LESS because they ran her out of town instead of stoning her.
Next. For you to 1) believe that things improved when the witch was driven out of town, and 2) for you to say it was a positive experience, tells me that you drank MORE than your share of koolaid.
excon
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
So, the Republican intent wasn't to SMEAR, but to INFORM. Ok, I got it.
All I can say to THAT bunch of drek, is bwa, ha ha ha ha.
excon
Um, ex, I think the point here is nowhere did the source of this tale say anything about her being "ran out of town," any hatred of the woman or any indication he confronted her with anything but prayers - intercession - in their church. It does say "she left town," apparently of her own accord. Those are not insignificant details.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Whether one believes in this "demonic influence" or not the article tells a story of a pastor who went into "a notorious, violence-ridden suburb of Nairobi" which took an upturn after prayer. Coincidence? If Wright (who by Obama's own admission actually was his mentor as opposed to a visiting pastor praying a blessing) had stuck to praying for blessings instead of ranting on conspiracies against the black man there wouldn't be anything to discuss there either.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
No they're not.
However, if you believe that the only thing that happened in this town, is that the witch was prayed for, you've drunk too much of the koolaid for me to bring you back. There was hope for you once.. But, you've gone over to the dark side.
For being a Christian type fellow, I don't think you understand how Christians actually practice their Christianity. Ever hear of Salem?
excon
And what does the other VP candidate say about religion?
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God, Patriotism and Taxes - WSJ.com
raising taxes on the rich is the "patriotic" thing to do. On Thursday he upped the ante, thundering that he also has Jesus in his corner. "Catholic social doctrine as I was taught it is, you take care of people who need the help the most," Mr. Biden preached to a group of union supporters on Thursday...
By the way, Mr. Biden and his wife recently released their tax returns, and they reported an average of $380, or0.2% of their income, in annual charitable contributions over a 10-year period. The national average was about 2% of income.
I don't hear the MSM or the liberals out there ranting about a Biden theocracy?...
One that believes that charity is a government fuction, which excuses their hypocrisy when it comes to personal charity. :rolleyes::cool:
Maybe its because it concurs with the higher taxes leftist / socialist doctrine.
Hello in:Quote:
Originally Posted by inthebox
Couple things. So, Biden is living his Christianity, and you want to call it his theocracy?? That's silly.
Next. Higher taxes on who? You?? I highly doubt it. Under Obama, YOUR taxes will be lowered if you make under $250,000 a year. Of course, you could be a wealthy rightwinger. I don't know.
excon
How is Biden living his Christianity when he does not even tithe?
O.2% to charity!!
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Biblical tax rates tended to run around 10%, not the 39.6%-plus that Barack Obama's tax plan calls for.
And here I thought we were friends. You're wanting me to speculate, which I can certainly do, but I just don't see any evidence of the horrors that have been attributed to this man. Someone has taken an article from 1999 and added a lot of nonsense that's so far nowhere to be found except in the minds and blogs of those who have convinced themselves that Palin is on the dark side. Is that what you want to base this on?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Yeah, the town or the cigarette? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the last Salem witch trial in May 1693, some 315 years ago? Worrying about the return of witch trials is about as sane as Whoopie wondering if she's going to have to worry about a return to slavery under MCain. As far as how Christians practice their Christianity, I've been observing it firsthand for over 40 years. We don't go on witch hunts - but we do pray.Quote:
For being a Christian type fellow, I don't think you understand how Christians actually practice their Christianity. Ever hear of Salem?
There are a multitude of sole owner business out there, and is is fair to assume that many of them gross more then $250,000 per annum. They are taxed as private income. They are an important part of our economic engine. When you tax them heavily, they can't hire that extra employee or enlarge their buildings or invest in new machinery. Less jobs, less GNP.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
AND Hussein has a laundry list of new programs he wants to launch, and with a Dem controlled congress, he can get it done. I submit that if you took EVERYTHING from those that earn above $250,000 annually, it would not be enough to do the job. He knows this, I'm sure. Do you?
Now who's been sippin the grape sugar drink?
Excon-
Palin does come off sounding like Tammie Fay Bakker at times. Her views are in line with those of the Republican Bible Belt ilk. Often they are genuine nice people, but their notions I find a bit archaic and shallow.
Galveston-
Once you start banking some substantive profits, and hire employees, you should consider incorporating to protect yourself, personal from business responsibility and aspects. However if you get real big don't allow the CEO's to expect extravagant bonuses. Much of the time their solution is downsizing by scaling back on blue collar employees that are already having to survive on peanuts.
LOL, of all the people you might have chosen, Tammy Faye is one of the last people one could imagine for Palin to resemble in ANY way. Let's correct that "image."Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
http://blog.beliefnet.com/idolchatte...picforblog.jpg
http://gov.state.ak.us/photos/Gov-Palin-2006_web.jpg
It's good to know we're genuine and nice at least, but I've never had a soul who knows me suggest I'm "archaic and shallow."
Hello tom:T
Below is quoted from the article you wanted us to read.
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"Witchcraft is a sad reality in many parts of Africa, resulting in scores of deaths in Kenya over the past two decades. Bishop Muthee's blessing, then, was simply a reflection of his cultural understanding of evil. While others are not obliged to accept his interpretation, all can be expected to respect it. More than that—Muthee should be hailed for asking God to shield Palin from harmful forces, however they may be manifested. And for this he is mocked and Palin ridiculed?
“We know that many cultural elites have a hard time embracing religion, but is it too much to ask that they at least show some manners when discussing subjects which most Americans hold dear?”
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I didn't know that most Americans believed in witchcraft. I really didn't. But, you learn all sorts of things on this here web doodad.
Well, since YOU believe there ARE witches out there, his machinations WERE entirely appropriate. However, to most of us, it was reallllly scary. I know you don't understand that. Ok, stick around and listen.
excon
I hate to be the one to tell you, but you have absolutely no knowledge of the spirit realm.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Geezers Tex, you did this to yourself. I said, "sounding like," not looking alike. And you wonder why somebody could find you shallow? Hello!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, Gal:Quote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
I certainly don't. However, I would phrase it a bit differently. My knowledge tells me that the spirit realm is made up. It ISN'T that I LACK knowledge.
My post was based upon other peoples agreement with me, that witch hunting is ludicrous - even dangerous. I must admit that I'm a bit astonished at the response, although I shouldn't be.
Clearly, you wouldn't think a pastor who conducted witch hunts to be out of the mainstream, since apparently, you yourself believe in goblins and such.
excon
Maybe before you diss the whole idea you should spend a week in some country where Voodoo is practiced (yes there are those places). It only works where people believe in it, but it does work there. And the results are terrible. Talk to some missionaries who have been there, you will be surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
It was all a hoax anyhow. If he really did expel witches, she'd have turned into a pig with lipstick.
Her church does "reform" homosexuals. God save us from your followers...
Hello Gal:Quote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
The only thing that surprises me, is that people believe this bunk.
excon
Geez, don't you people have anything better to do than distort the truth? First of all the word is "transform" not "reform" and secondly her church is not in the business of doing either. They may be promoting a Love Won Out conference but the church in America typically doesn't "pray away gay" or "cure" homosexuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by mp2dtw
I read it in Yahoo news, but I'm sure you only believe what you want to believe--not that you aren't nitpicking anyhow. They should try to cure or transform people who believe in fictitious superstitions as though they were real.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I don't doubt you read something in Yahoo News, but I'd like to see exactly what it was you read.Quote:
Originally Posted by mp2dtw
Things like Obama is more than smoke and mirrors himself?Quote:
They should try to cure or transform people who believe in fictitious superstitions as though they were real.
I finally saw the video of that wizard putting a protect spell on Not Hillary. That was scary. I was waiting for David Koresh to make a cameo. Why were those guys holding her shoulders? Was it in case she fell down from "being moved" by the spirit. You know I have a clock that does a Sarah Palin impression ever hour it says cu-cu cu-cu!!
Spit,
It was a prayer, plain and simple. There were no spells, there was nothing scary, nothing unusual. There's not even the slightest hint of a Koresh-like cult. Laying hands on someone is a common religious practice in many forms, especially during prayer.
Church Cult, Prayer Chant, Spell Blessing, To me they are all the same thing. And this is coming from someone who spent 6 years as an alter boy and 10 years in catholic school.
To each his/her own Spit, I'm just saying the reality of this episode is far, far different than the sometimes unhinged portrayals I've seen.
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