How low and pathetic.
I can guess in advance that he will say that he was not referring to Palin.
But smart folk will know this is not true. If Palin would have never made the lipstick comment, then Obama would never have said what he did.
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How low and pathetic.
I can guess in advance that he will say that he was not referring to Palin.
But smart folk will know this is not true. If Palin would have never made the lipstick comment, then Obama would never have said what he did.
Biden also made a lipstick reference while campaigning “zero experience in national government, zero experience in foreign affairs. There's no way you can dress up that record, even with a lot of lipstick.” Zeus Obama is now pointing at a time when McCain referred to Evita using the same phrase while talking about her health care proposals “I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig,” But BO can spin it all he wants to and claim he was talking about their policies ;his comments would not have worked had Palin not called herself a pitbull with lipstick.
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Yeah, politics is an ugly game. Maybe McCain shouldn't have accused Obama of wanting to lose a war.
excon
That's pretty been the republican campaign to date. It's time to fight back.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJ
So much for that transcending politics then... I figure he just lost another 1million women votes with that line .
At Republican rallies they have been chanting "read my lipstick " so he knew how it would be received . The crowd he was addressing knew also ;thus their almost uncontrollable whooping it up when he said it. This reminds me of when Michael Steele was running and Dems in the audience threw Oreo cookies at him.
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Show us something that's anywhere near calling the opponent a pig.
He did not call anyone a pig.
Despite the play this is getting in the media, the expression about putting lipstick on a pig is not new and has been used before by politicians, one specific instance brought up by the Obama campaign is when John McCain used the expression when speaking about Hillary Clinton's health care plan.
Have you never heard the expression as it relates to an idea? Where was your outrage when McCain said it?
I guess it is OK when talking about women. Had McCain said "calling a spade a spade " I'm sure he would be given a pass.
Michelle Obama also dissed Palin:
That's OK, though, they'll continue to pay the price.Quote:
That’s pathetic, NK. I get all the DNC emails so I know what they’re saying, starting with claiming McCain was “breaking the law” over campaign financing. Haven’t heard anything about the complaint they filed with the FEC have you? Here’s a sample of what they’ve been sending out:Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
The Dems and their leftist supporters have done nothing but attack McCain, and they’ve gone beyond disgusting in attacking Sarah Palin. Or have you not been paying attention (and joining in on the bashing)?Quote:
Steve --
It's like 1989 all over again –John McCain has been caught in yet another ethics scandal.
If you had a TV on yesterday, you saw who jumped to his defense -- the team of lobbyists who work for him, led by campaign manager and lobbyist Rick Davis, and the well-oiled right-wing noise machine, led by Rush Limbaugh. In an ironic message to McCain supporters yesterday, lobbyist Davis wrote...
[John McCain] has led the charge to limit the money and influence of the special interests in politics and stomp out corruption.
They spent the day breathlessly assailing the New York Times as "liberal," ignoring the ethics lapses the team of reporters had uncovered. The fact is, John McCain is facing legitimate questions about lobbyists, favors, and campaign contributions, just as he did during the Keating Five scandal that nearly derailed his political career twenty years ago.
Seeing more dollar signs, the McCain campaign and the RNC decided to jump at the chance to take advantage of the distraction they had created to raise money. They had spent the day firing their supporters up, trying desperately to change the subject, and then they literally cashed in on it. It was textbook sleaze.
So, let's hit back.
Don't let John McCain's team of lobbyists, Rush Limbaugh and the right-wing noise machine, the RNC and their special-interest backers take advantage of John McCain's most recent ethics scandal -- it's disgusting, and we can't let them get ahead like this. They're screaming as loud as they can, and you can send a message right back:
It was wrong to say it, there is no getting around it.
Also if I can add... both parties bash each other... I sincerely wish they wouldn't. They can prove each other wrong without crude humor, right?
Steve ;what specifically are they accusing McCain of in that rant ?
That seems to be the american way: screw the other guy if I can get ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by startover22
Tom, this was back when they were going ballistic over him allegedly using federal campaign funds to back a loan. In particular they were complaining McCain was "turning an ethics scandal into a fundraising opportunity." I was just showing NK the Dems have been on the attack all along.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Oh OK I thought it may be something new . But dredging up that old and tired Keating 5 may be all they have.
Here is a pix displayed on the Dem's official web site byone of their bloggers from Aug.30 with the header :McCain's Selection of Palin is Lipstick on a Pig
The Democratic Party | PartyBuilder | Elizabeth Berry's Blog: McCain's Selection of Palin is Lipstick on a Pig
http://www.innovatingtowin.com/innov...g-lipstick.jpg
Not the same at all. No one with half a brain could say that McCain was speaking about Clinton...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
It's not a stretch at all to presume that Obama was insulting Palin. And it's big news today that many considered it an insult.
No one accused McCain of insulting anyone when he used the phrase because he was not insulting anyone.
It's obvious Obama is talking about the lack of 'change' in the McCain camp. Where you add the Palin connection I don't know.
You see what you want to see. It's just like religion.
Obama is correct. The whole Pub campaign has been nothing but a pig with lipstick show attempting to camouflage the past eight years. Dyed-in-the-wool Republicans, the ones that voted for Dubya twice and now want to back McCain, suddenly have short memory. It was in the 2000 Pub primaries that George W Bush went full force onslaught of nastiness against John "love child" McCain.
A little trip down memory lane...
THE 2000 CAMPAIGN: WAR OF WORDS; Spotlight Turns on Ugly Side of Politicking - New York Times
Salon.com Politics | Getting ugly
Today he clarified with another animal cliché and said the comment was " Catnip for the media " implying that the press was out to get him lol.
He said that McCain "seize an innocent remark and take it out of context" .
This is a guy who has used other's comments out of context since the campaign began. (“100 years in Iraq” ....“rich is $5,000,000″) but now takes issue when it is used on him.He wants to stick to real issues like how many houses McCain owns.
For all of you who mock McCain as old and ill and as having lost his mind...
‘Stand Up For Chuck’: Biden Makes a Save After Asking State Senator in Wheelchair to Stand
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You don't know? Really? You don't know about Palin's lipstick comment?
Here you go:
She just said it last week.
Where are the complaints that McCain was insulting anyone? There are none.
Why is Obama's statement the ONLY news today? Because he said it to insult Palin.
Smart Obama supporters are recognizing how stupid his comment was.
Holy crap are you ever making a reach to make a link.
Whatever, NK. Try this then since you're so upset withn the GOP attack machine. NY Gov. David Paterson is basically calling Republicans racists:
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“I think the Republican Party is too smart to call Barack Obama ‘black’ in a sense that it would be a negative. But you can take something about his life, which I noticed they did at the Republican Convention – a ‘community organizer.’ They kept saying it, they kept laughing,” he said.
Here's my take.
1) IF it was an intentional insult, it was a pretty stupid thing to do. Middle America will not respond well to Obama insulting Palin.
2) If it was not intentional, he should have apologized for any misunderstanding he may have caused, and stated that he didn't mean it as an insult, but rather her was just repeating an old political cliché. Instead of doing that in his statement this morning, he went on the attack, which just fuels the flames all the more. Another bad political move that Middle America will not respond well to.
3) I personally think it WAS an intentional insult. Obama followed up the lipstick on a pig statement with a comment about "old fish" being wrapped in new paper... a clear reference to McCain as an "Old timer" in the senate. Given these two OBVIOUS references, along with BIDEN'S remarks about lipstick, it seems clear to me that the insults were intentional. Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.
Palin's response ought to be something along the lines of "Senator Obama is right. You can't dress up a 'community organizer' with lipstick and have it look like real experience."
Lipstick! Schmipstick! Political dipsticks! I would hope that once a few of the board Pubs here can get passed their biases they'll eventually recognize they've championed an illogical silly argument.
Palin remarked that the only difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull was lipstick. So is that to suggest all hockey moms are pit bulls with lipstick? Think about that. According to Sarah Palin, all hockey moms are dogs. Now Obama, on the other hand compared the Republican campaign to a pig with lipstick for their laughable ploy to promote themselves as change.
Karma, even Obama's people see the connection. They are afraid of that connection, and how it is perceived by the people at large. THat is why they are scrambling so hard to claim that there was no intentional insult, the entire thing is a farce, and there is no connection.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
If there were really no connection, their response would be to either ignore the accusations or to apologize for the misinterpretation. They can't do either of those two things because there is a connection, it's an obvious connection, and they now have to scramble for damage control.
Besides, to a certain degree, it doesn't really matter whether there was an intentional insult or not. All that matters is how the American people see it, and based on what I have been hearing and seeing in the news, Americans perceive that there IS a connection and that it was an underhanded insult by Obama and Biden. ANd based on the laughter and cheers by the audience at Obama's speech, THEY certainly made the connection.
It's all about perception, baby. And right now perception is in McCain and Palin's favor.
Elliot
No it's not, it's manufactured and hypedQuote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
Bamram has a point - will Palin apoligize to all the hockey moms?
It wasn't just the audience laughter that makes the connection (though that's what makes Obama look bad), it was that they chanted "No pit bull! No pit bull! No pit bull!." Even the ultra-liberal Washington Post sees that connection, so give it up, you can't spin you're way out of this.
For calling them pit bulls?Quote:
Bamram has a point - will Palin apoligize to all the hockey moms?
I hope not. Hockey Moms LIKE being known for their feistiness.
You know who first made the joke that Palin told about hockey moms and pit bulls?
A hockey mom.
That hockey mom line has resounded and resonated with the American people more than any single line in this election cycle. The people LIKE it. ESPECIALLY the hockey moms.
Obama's line has also resounded and resonated with the people... but I'm not so sure that they are too happy with it.
But if you think that Obama has nothing to apologize for, good. Go with that. We'll know the truth in November. Personally, I'm hoping Obama sticks to his guns on this. It'll do wonders for his public image.
Oh, and Palin wasn't saying that hockey moms are pit bulls without lipstick. She was saying that they are pit bulls WITH lip stick. And after saying it, McCain and Palin took a 20% lead among American women. So you tell me if there's anything to apologize for.
Elliot
Elliot, The Messiah (or is it the Virgin Mary) is perfect so he has nothing to apologize for. Obama is just doing the Lord's work according to his mentor Jeremiah Wright.
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"Lord told him, an ordinary black boy, ‘You can be a state senator and you can bring folk to the bargaining table who not only do not talk to one another, these folk don’t like one another.’
"He did what the Lord said," Mr. Wright continued, "an ordinary black boy like Mary was an ordinary little girl."
Just a note before the Pubs messiah rhetoric begins: no matter what idioms are being bantered about today, I would not suggest going up to "hockey mom" and calling her a dog. There's a very good chance that "hockey dad" will become highly irritated.
Politics, Political News, Campaign 2008 - Politico.com
"the same analogy that Senator McCain himself used about Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's health care plan just last year. This phony lecture on gender sensitivity is the height of cynicism and lays bare the increasingly dishonorable campaign John McCain has chosen to run."
Hint: there is no messiah and there is no virgin mary. Keep your discussions to reality not fantasy.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Maybe this will help. Pot calling the kettle blackQuote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You mean like Obama? I can't fault any man for defending his wife, Bobby.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
Well the republican are trying so hard to play the race card, to the point obama has to be very choosy on what he says. He is fighting for the presidency position in no way was his remark offensive or discrimintive. GO OBAMA
Are you acquainted with his connections to the Syrian bankroller, the Weathermen underground terrorists, and the Rev. Wright?Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldM_23
Nope, are you..
That figures!Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldM_23
Wow!
With unemployment, healthcare issues, energy issues, OIF, OEF, the gov bailing out corporations etc...
And this gets public play?
Then you better not call "hockey mom" a dog, as Palin suggested. By the way when did Obama's daughters start playing hockey??Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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