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  • Aug 29, 2008, 12:14 PM
    DonaldM_23
    Obama or McCain
    Will Obama or McCain be a good president when it comes to foreign relations and the economic system
  • Aug 29, 2008, 05:25 PM
    BABRAM
    Obama! Both on foreign relations and economy. It's called communication and diplomacy, something that the stubborn and ignorant rarely comprehend. That being said, if a person likes more of the same slow sluggish economy of trickle down economics and poorly ran tactics of wars that risk generations of our young men and women unnecessarily... by all means vote McSame.

    Last night Obama gave the most appropriate speech with the best presentation, that I've ever heard from a presidential candidate accepting nomination. He topped Reagan. Obama's running an educated campaign. It was blatantly obvious for those paying attention to current events and are unbiased, that the US doesn't need nor should want John McCain (Bush crony) anywhere near the White House after the upcoming election.

    YouTube - Barack Obama Acceptance Speech

    All the educated Republicans should be jumping ship about right now. John McCain is the Republican version of Walter Mondale, as is Sarah Palin is now their Geraldine Ferraro. I saw on CNN that the reaction is not favorable for McCain's VP pick. It's already having a backlash among the far majority of the once ardent Hillary Democrats and even some moderate Republican women. Apparently John McCain has insulted all women across America with his last minute desperate measure to expose his skirt VP selection. John McCain is not fit to serve burgers at the local Sonic, with or without skates.

    Prior to becoming Governor of Alaska, Palin was the mayor of a town of less than nine thousand people. People need to realize the total population of the State of Alaska is about the size of one mid size city, for example Austin (Texas). Meaning Palin actually has no experience or understanding of the complexity of large inner city issues, such as hard drugs trafficking and gang crime. John McCain has only met Palin once before. Once! This is the single most important decision a presidential candidate can make and the seventy-two year old John McCain blew it on a salmon fishing caribou herder that was chairman down at the local Moose lodge.
  • Aug 29, 2008, 05:30 PM
    progunr
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BABRAM
    Obama!

    All the educated Republicans should be jumping ship about right now. John McCain is the Republican version of Walter Mondale, as is Sarah Palin is now their Geraldine Ferraro. I saw on CNN that the reaction is not favorable for his pick. It's already having a backlash among the far majority of the once ardent Hillary Democrats and even some moderate Republican women. Apparently John McCain has insulted all women across America with his last minute desperate measure to expose his skirt VP selection. John McCain is not fit to serve burgers at the local Sonic, with or without skates.

    Prior to becoming Governor of Alaska, Palin was the mayor of a town of less than nine thousand people. People need to realize the total population of the State of Alaska is about the size of one mid size city, for example Austin (Texas). Meaning Palin actually has no experience or understanding of the complexity of large inner city issues, such as hard drugs trafficking and gang crime. John McCain has only met Palin once before. Once! This is the single most important decision a presidential candidate can make and the seventy-two year old John McCain blew it on a salmon fishing caribou herder that was chairman down at the local Moose lodge.

    Cmon' BABRAM, is that the best you got, cut and past from another answer?

    Obama would be great for foreign relations as long as he pleases the Europeans with his radical liberal one world order plans.

    Obama will destroy the economy, with his huge plans to redistribute the wealth in the US.
  • Aug 29, 2008, 05:53 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by progunr
    Cmon' BABRAM, is that the best you got, cut and past from another answer?..

    You're ignorance is making my point on why people should not vote for John McCain. If you disagree with my words, then show me. I'll debate you and then you'll run for the hills as usual. Better yet, DonaldM_23 deserves more than your poor weak flaming retorts. BTW I won't sue myself for plagiarism. These are my words from yesterday and today, and they still ring true!

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by progunr
    Obama would be great for foreign relations as long as he pleases the Europeans with his radical liberal one world order plans..

    What? How weird! You apparently have a one trick pony show with this one world cult view. What church keeps feeding you this stuff? I don't even think that makes sense to ardent learned Christians. Nothing personal, but as a Jew I'm intrigued and I'd really like to have the opportunity to dissect your preachers taught doctrine by comparison of Torah. Do you have a link to your religious organization that I can review. I'd really like to know where they come up with that notion.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by progunr
    Obama will destroy the economy, with his huge plans to redistribute the wealth in the US.

    Wake up. You sound like a spoiled elitist brat. The economy has already suffered under your twice elected President Bush. Too bad for you, "progunr." You're response was very uneducated. Vote smart. Vote Obama! ;)
  • Aug 29, 2008, 06:47 PM
    RickJ
    McCain.
  • Aug 29, 2008, 06:50 PM
    J_9
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RickJ
    McCain.

    I second that!!

    No explanation necessary!!
  • Aug 29, 2008, 07:03 PM
    NeedKarma
    Obama.
  • Aug 29, 2008, 07:09 PM
    RickJ
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    Obama.

    Obama can have all the fans he wants in Canada :D :p
  • Aug 29, 2008, 07:15 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by J_9
    No explanation necessary!!!


    None expected. After eight years of Dubya, I sure wouldn't pay you seventy-five cents to hear it even if you had a half reasonable explanation.
  • Aug 29, 2008, 07:19 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RickJ
    Obama can have all the fans he wants in Canada :D :p


    Toronto is going to have a population swell of new citizens, if we continue to blindly elect Republican presidents. Americans are so worried about illegal aliens from Mexico... well I got news for you! Canada might end up being the country building a fence to keep the US out. :)
  • Aug 29, 2008, 07:21 PM
    RickJ
    I'll rent a truck and help them move :)
  • Aug 29, 2008, 07:29 PM
    BABRAM
    Why waste your time and effort. McCain has the next hundred years planned. He'd get bored after Iraq and invade Canada. :eek:
  • Aug 29, 2008, 07:37 PM
    J_9
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RickJ
    I'll rent a truck and help them move :)

    I'm still with you Rick!!
  • Aug 29, 2008, 07:54 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by J_9
    I'm still with you Rick!!!

    http://hoboken411.com/wp-content/upl...the-leader.jpg
  • Aug 29, 2008, 09:14 PM
    inthebox
    If you believe government, by taxing its citizens more and spending more on entitlements, is the solution to all that ails us --
    Obama.

    If you think less government [ less taxes, less spending ] is better - McCain
  • Aug 29, 2008, 09:30 PM
    lmangileri
    Obama for sure. Everything I've read about McCain makes me scared if he were to become president
  • Aug 30, 2008, 02:58 AM
    tomder55
    One has been involved in matters related to foreign policy either working for the Navy as liaison to the US Senate or in the US Senate holding positions in key foereign policy matters since 1977... McCain

    The other was a "comminity organizer" whatever that is ;who's single claim to foreign policy before entering the US Senate in 2006 was making an obscure speech opposing the war in Iraq. In the US Senate he was given the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations subcommitee on European Affairs(which has some oversight on NATO). But he has been campaigning for the Presidency since he entered the US Senate ;only staying in the building long enough to find his office and the Mens Room. He has held no committee hearings at all about NATOs role in Afghanistan even though he claims to want to expand their role and ours in the fight.Joe Biden when he was running against Obama in the primaries pointed out that Obama had borrowed some of Biden's ideas about the Afghan conflict and had been late to arrive at those positions. Biden said that not only had Obama held no hearings in his own subcommitee ;but that Obama had rarely attended even the full Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearings. NATO has not lived up to it's commitments in Afghanistan but Obama continues to blame President Bush .

    There is no question in my mind that McCain would be heads and shoulders above Obama in areas of foreign relations.

    Neither of them impress me much in their knowledge of the economy .However I have seen Obama's advisers in action and prefer the advice McCain is getting from his economic team.Obama gave us a laundry list of new programs he would initiate during his acceptance speech . Then he promised a massive tax cut and claimed he would pay for his programs by imposing punitive taxes on businesses . That is a recipe for economic disaster.
  • Aug 30, 2008, 05:39 AM
    excon
    Hello:

    One is 72 and is a cancer survivor. He chose as his running mate, a young woman who has NO experience.

    Vote for the one who has a chance at surviving his first term without leaving us with a rookie at the helm of the most powerful country in the world. Actually, I think it was reallly stupid for him to pick her.

    excon
  • Aug 30, 2008, 01:32 PM
    Galveston1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon
    Hello:

    One is 72 and is a cancer survivor. He chose as his running mate, a young woman who has NO experience.

    Vote for the one who has a chance at surviving his first term without leaving us with a rookie at the helm of the most powerful country in the world. Actually, I think it was reallly stupid for him to pick her.

    excon

    Just to irritate you a mite, have you considered the possibility that down the road you could be saying "president Palin"? It is not inconceivable.
    Not to worry, though, all presidents have councillors who generally keep them from making too many blunders.
  • Aug 30, 2008, 01:36 PM
    progunr
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon
    Hello:

    One is 72 and is a cancer survivor. He chose as his running mate, a young woman who has NO experience.

    Vote for the one who has a chance at surviving his first term without leaving us with a rookie at the helm of the most powerful country in the world. Actually, I think it was reallly stupid for him to pick her.

    excon

    And by stating that SHE has NO Experience, where does that leave NObama?
  • Aug 30, 2008, 01:39 PM
    pinkcelly123
    McCain bores me!. OBAMA all the way
  • Aug 30, 2008, 01:58 PM
    progunr
    [QUOTE=BABRAM] Wake up. You sound like a spoiled elitist brat. The economy has already suffered under your twice elected President Bush. Too bad for you, "progunr." You're response was very uneducated. Vote smart. Vote Obama![Quote]

    Your man NObama is the elitist, everyone knows that.

    Are you talking about the economy that GREW by 3.3% in the second quarter of THIS YEAR?

    My God, that is terrible isn't it?

    Your gloom and doom NObama won't mention that, will he.

    He won't mention that while he promised to eliminate the capital gains tax on small businesses, that the truth is, small businesses don't pay capital gains tax, they pay income tax, which he WILL RAISE. But it sure sounded good, didn't it?

    He continues to lie, saying that McCain sides with GW over 90% of the time, but the facts prove that to be an outright lie as well.

    As to my response, at least I didn't just copy my answer from another question, and paste it here, like your intelligent example.

    Enjoy the holiday weekend.
  • Aug 30, 2008, 02:55 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by progunr
    He continues to lie, saying that McCain sides with GW over 90% of the time, but the facts prove that to be an outright lie as well.

    Quote:

    "CQ's Presidential Support studies try to determine how often a legislator votes in line with the President's position:
    CQ tries to determine what the president personally, as distinct from other administration officials, does and does not want in the way of legislative action. This is done by analyzing his messages to Congress, news conference remarks and other public statements and documents.
    So, these studies only track votes when the President has an explicit, stated opinion on a bill. According to CQ, Senator John McCain has voted with President Bush 100% of the time in 2008 and 95% of the time in 2007"
    FactCheck.org: Is it true John McCain voted with George Bush 95 percent of the time?
    Dear prog,
    Give it up already.
  • Aug 30, 2008, 03:24 PM
    progunr
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    Dear prog,
    Give it up already.

    You left out the part that said this number refers to "recently" but that the percentage is much less in earlier years.

    And you forgot to mention the part that said that NObama voted WITH Bush 49% of the time.

    Isn't that a lot for a Democrat, as compared to Republican voting with a Republican?
  • Aug 30, 2008, 03:54 PM
    GV70
    My view-Obama is an excellent leader.He is talented.Obama would be great for foreign relations... but the name of the next president is JOHN McCAIN. Dot!
  • Aug 30, 2008, 03:58 PM
    GV70
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RickJ
    I'll rent a truck and help them move :)

    Haha-I will give you two trucks more.And a bus,too.Let's make them Queen Elizabeth's subjects.Great!! :)
  • Aug 30, 2008, 04:06 PM
    NeedKarma
    Sure, as long as they are good people.
  • Aug 30, 2008, 04:09 PM
    GV70
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    Sure, as long as they are good people.

    Who are good people... McCain and Obama?:) :) :)
  • Aug 30, 2008, 04:15 PM
    NeedKarma
    http://artofmanliness.com/wp-content...mccain-hug.jpg
  • Aug 30, 2008, 04:17 PM
    GV70
    1 Attachment(s)
    The next president!Attachment 11709
  • Aug 30, 2008, 04:19 PM
    GV70
    NeedKarma,THANK YOU!! I melt at the sight of these great men-the current and the next American presidents!
    Do you have high resolution of this photo? I love to have it as my desktop wallpaper!
  • Aug 30, 2008, 04:37 PM
    NeedKarma
    I can smell the sarcasm from here. I wasn't aware you were a woman.
  • Aug 30, 2008, 04:45 PM
    GV70
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    I can smell the sarcasm from here. I wasn't aware you were a woman.

    Hahaha-BTW our president and me are namesakes:)
  • Aug 30, 2008, 04:50 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by progunr
    Your man NObama is the elitist, everyone knows that.

    Are you talking about the economy that GREW by 3.3% in the second quarter of THIS YEAR?

    My God, that is terrible isn't it?


    Wake up! The housing market slowed the economy down, amongst other things under Dubya, and that three percent looks almost good to the ignorant. The chart runs up and down like a roller coaster BBC NEWS | Business | US economy at a glance But wait! The inflation rate was over four percent and that chart is steady rising! Current Inflation




    Quote:

    Originally Posted by progunr
    Your gloom and doom NObama won't mention that, will he.

    He mentioned lost jobs, economic slow growth, and people sacrificing a day of work a week just to keep others employed. English! Do you speak it? Do you understand it?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by progunr
    He won't mention that while he promised to eliminate the capital gains tax on small businesses, that the truth is, small businesses don't pay capital gains tax, they pay income tax, which he WILL RAISE. But it sure sounded good, didn't it?

    Geezers snappy pants! I had forgotten that you actually believe any distributed lie that hits your email or proposed by a blogger political page.

    snopes.com: Proposed Tax Changes

    Now for the facts about Obama's small business plan and taxation:

    http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/SmallBusinessFINAL.pdf

    http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes...acts_FINAL.pdf



    Quote:

    Originally Posted by progunr
    He continues to lie, saying that McCain sides with GW over 90% of the time, but the facts prove that to be an outright lie as well.


    And as usual "your facts" are not available, but mine are. I know who the liar is here and it's not Barack Obama.

    Here are the facts:

    Think Progress » McCain voted with Bush 100 percent of the time in 2008.

    John McCain Revealed : McCain And Bush

    Newsvine - McCain Voted with Bush 95% of the Time in 2007

    FactCheck.org: Is it true that even though John McCain calls himself a Republican, he has sided more with the Dems than with the Repubs?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by progunr
    As to my response, at least I didn't just copy my answer from another question, and paste it here, like your intelligent example.


    Well thank you. I thought my example was intelligent as well. My answers are generally thorough enough that I can apply them to several redundant questions. Most sites have a catalog of answers that can be accessed and used by their experts, but this one doesn't (only rated), so I make my own going back in threads. I won't sue myself for plagiarism by using my own words. I know your jealous, perhaps just ignorant, but might could you do us all a favor and consider growing up? Did you notice that the name of this site is "Ask Me Help Desk"?? Now there's a good reason for that! We should be here to help others and learn. After you start reading a book you would not tear out each page after it was read, would you?? No, you wouldn't. You may have to reference something in that book, so it's saved complete in the home library.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by progunr
    Enjoy the holiday weekend.


    In all honesty I find you to be have a disingenuous type personality. Try not to get yourself hurt this weekend.
  • Aug 30, 2008, 05:19 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GV70
    Hahaha-BTW our president and me are namesakes:)

    Obviously not the Venkov part. :D
  • Aug 30, 2008, 05:43 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GV70
    Haha-I will give you two trucks more.And a bus,too.Let's make them Queen Elizabeth's subjects.Great!!!!!!!!:)

    It is funny come to think about it. Flexing all those big cyber muscles and the he-man patriotic tongue in cheek talk... "I'll rent a truck and help them move" and "let's make them." :rolleyes: In the USA you show up in the hood and they'd take your two trucks (and your bus), and then send you and Rick hitchhiking back to neckville. Two days later the police call you to say they found all the vehicles stripped down on blocks, abandoned in East LA. :D
  • Aug 30, 2008, 10:30 PM
    GV70
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    Obviously not the Venkov part. :D

    Correct-the name is GEORGE,but the name of the next president is JOHN.:eek:

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BABRAM
    It is funny come to think about it. Flexing all those big cyber muscles and the he-man patriotic tongue in cheek talk..."I'll rent a truck and help them move" and "let's make them." :rolleyes: In the USA you show up in the hood and they'd take your two trucks (and your bus), and then send you and Rick hitchhiking back to neckville. Two days later the police call you to say they found all the vehicles stripped down on blocks, abandoned in East LA. :D

    In your dreams... :)
  • Aug 30, 2008, 10:55 PM
    GV70
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DonaldM_23
    Will Obama or McCain be a good president when it comes to foreign relations and the economic system

    OK-let me think... I can see two scenarios here:
    1 If NObama wins he will increase taxes,he will print $10,000,000,000,000 more, $ will lose its power forever,and the Canadians/including NeedKarma/ will go to the USA and buy the White House with their mighty Canadian Dollar.:eek: :eek: :eek:
    2If McCain wins,he will capture Canada,and the Canadians/including NeedKarma/ will not be obligated to sing"God save our precious Queen...":)
  • Aug 31, 2008, 02:26 AM
    tomder55
    Obama made a lot of half truths,outright lies and distortions in his acceptance address. I guess it is probably true that McCain voted 95% of the time with President Bush but it is undeniable that on many issues there is serious disagreement between them. I will post them even though some of them are issues I have against McCain

    • McCain fought for campaign finance reform — McCain-Feingold — that Bush resisted and ultimately signed because he had no choice.
    • McCain led the battle to restrict interrogation techniques of terror suspects .
    • McCain went with Joe Lieberman on a tough measure to curb climate change,
    • McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts when they passed.
    • McCain urged the Iraq surge, a posture Bush rejected for years before conceding its wisdom.
    • McCain favors FDA regulation of tobacco and sponsored legislation to that effect, a position all but a handful of Republican senators oppose.
    • McCain's energy bill, also with Lieberman, is a virtual blueprint for energy independence and development of alternate sources.
    • After the Enron scandal, McCain introduced sweeping reforms in corporate governance and legislation to guarantee pensions and prohibit golden parachutes for executives. Bush opposed McCain's changes and the watered-down Sarbanes-Oxley bill eventuated.
    • McCain has been harshly critical of congressional overspending, particularly of budgetary earmarks, a position Bush only lately adopted (after the Democrats took over Congress).
    One of the biggest distortion in the percentage is that most Senate votes are unanimous .So by Obama's logic the Democrats vote the majority of the time with the President also.
  • Aug 31, 2008, 06:51 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GV70
    If NObama wins he will increase taxes,he will print $10,000,000,000,000 more, $ will lose its power forever,

    Hello GV:

    I don't know what you been smokin, but pass it over here... It appears that your short term memory is faulty. That happens when I smoke that stuff too.

    The last time we had a surplus was when a DEMOCRAT ran things. The last time we had deficit was when a REPUBLICAN ran things. HE printed zillions of $$$'s and HE put the dollar into a nosedive. HE never vetoed a spending bill until the DEMOCRATS took over congress.

    By the way, your REPUBLICAN said he doesn't know anything about the economy, and his adviser said we're a nation of whiners... THOSE are the people you want running things?? How can your side run the country when you can't figure out that crap??

    excon

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