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Since President Bush lifted the ban on off shore drilling.
The price of a barrel has fallen by $14.00, in those three days.
You still believe that starting to obtain our own oil will have NO immediate effect on the price?
I say the proof speaks much louder than those who differ on this opinion.
Hard to say because Congress is considering (more?) regulation of speculators in the market, and Bush is allowing a state department secretary to discuss nuclear issues with Iran. Maybe other issues as well. Cause and effect is sometimes uncertain. But we know BO didn't do it.
Yes, perhaps, but were not those issues present on the horizon prior to the lifting of the ban?
Did any of those issues JUST come to light in the past three days?
Talks with Iran... yes
You don't know how to think clearly, pro.
Just because two events happen very close to each other in time does *not mean* they have any connection to each other.
An individual has to study and understand, in this case, everything that is going on with Big Oil.
OK.
Lifting of the ban, or the "promise" of plans to have a State Department Secretary talk with Iran.
I'll still lean towards the lifting of the ban as a more likely cause for such a dramatic drop in such a short period.
We do agree 100% that Obama had NOTHING to do with it.
Obama hasn't had much to do with anything except deep-sixing Hillary. Don't know that that was much of an accomplishment, other than a win is a win, as they say.Quote:
Originally Posted by progunr
It is very amusing the way you argue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Choux
Lets try your method.
Because two events happen very close to each other in time does not mean that it is nothing more than a coincidence.
The "possibility" that one event has an effect on the other is a very real one.
Man, you're hopeless in the logical thinking department!
Anything that scares speculators is going to cause some drop in prices. Most of these people are hair-trigger nervous. I would be too if I had as much riding on it as they do.
Even if the home drilling lowers the cost of gasoline a few cents over time, it isn't going to be enough to make a difference. Our government gets too much money from our gas tax and from the big oil companies to ever want to just let it go.
Good move on lifting the ban. Now let's also 1) Drill into the ground and 2) continue to promote the r & d of alternative power sources so that we can be self sufficient.
I KNOW we can be.
The sad part is it is now up to the "don't drill Democrats" to finish what the President has started.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJ
They are not listening to the American people, as usual.
They are HAPPY about $4 a gallon gas.
Well, it's up to irate Americans to demand the gov't to get moving. I hope the Dems remain arrogant, ignoring the people and we can finish the job in November. The Dems would just as soon the price go up to $5 or $6 per gallon.Quote:
Originally Posted by progunr
I addressed the issue here
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/govern...do-237567.html
All I have to say is the canard about it taking 5-10 years to have an impact has been forever buried.
Or even $12 as the Messiah has predicted.Quote:
Originally Posted by George_1950
Their behavior is beyond shameful.
They don't want to be elected (and can't be if they tell the truth); they want to be anointed, coronated: "Yet, for all the adoring throngs that are likely to greet the Democratic contender and the eight foreign leaders he will meet, the trip is aimed at voters back home, where Mr Obama’s youth and inexperience have raised significant doubts that he has the gravitas, grit and sure-footedness to be their next commander-in-chief." Barack Obama embarks on world tour — to reach voters in his backyard - Times OnlineQuote:
Originally Posted by progunr
Hopefully this trend will continue lets see how next week goes. $129.88 (I think that is what I saw it was today)a barrel is still horrible but it is a start. I hardly ever agree with Tom Pro and George but we need to start drilling here. I am all for getting away from oil but that just isn't a reality at the moment. That is definitely the one thing I don't agree with Obama with.
Aside from lifting the ban, it was reported in our paper that Americans have finally cut back on driving. Nothing like the prospect of more drilling, supply increases and the threat of people not buying your product to drive prices down.
I know that was hard to admit, I respect your honesty, and your independence in knowing what is right, and not sticking in there with the rest of the Democratic idiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
I mean really, is there anyone on this site, who can justify the "don't drill" position that these people are stuck on?
How would drilling tomorrow, where ever there is a "substantial" deposit of our own oil, be considered anything but a GOOD idea, and the RIGHT thing to do?
The old excuse about the 58, or 68, or 128 million acres already approved crap is outdated.
If the Oil companies had a chance to make a reasonable profit in those areas, they would already be drilling. They know what they are talking about when they tell us that they need access to the areas with HUGE deposits of oil and these "approved" acres don't have that.
Then this idiotic crap about not getting any of this new oil to the pump for 10 years!
First of all, it is a lie.
Second of all, what is going to change in the next 10 years that would lead anyone to believe that we WON'T be using gas then?
And without starting to drill now, how much will we be paying in 10 years?
It really is enough to make a sensible person want to SCREAM!!
Of course, if you worship in the church of green socialism, why would you want more pollution and rape of the planet?Quote:
Originally Posted by progunr
Speaking of gas prices... we have a local gas station owner that refuses to raise his retail price above 4 dollars a gallon. He says he keeps the price lower by shopping for wholesalers about four hours a day and yet he still makes a comfortable living and profit. Major players in Vegas like the AM/PM markets, Terrible Herbst, and 7-11's refuse to do the same. The rather stay greedy and keep gouging the public at $ 4.15 - 4.25 for regular.
Article from June 17th: KTNV ABC,Channel 13,Las Vegas,Nevada,News,Weather,Sports,Entertainment,KTN V.com,Action News .:. How Is Huey's Selling Regular Gas For $3.99?
Now that's my kind of guy. Hope he is able to keep it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
Well I am really not a democrat to be honest. Up until this years primary I was registered as an independent. But I really don't like Hillary so I registered to vote for Obama because in PA independents don't have a say in the primary. I have always wondered why they wouldn't drill here. To me it is worth a shot. But what I do not understand is what is the reason for not drilling here? I mean I drive over 50 miles a day to go to work. My car gets about 25 MPG So you do the math on what I spend a month on gas. That's why I think it is worth it. Yeah I know it is selfish!
You are not being selfish!Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
Gas or Fuel, is at the center of everything that happens in our Nation.
There is literally nothing, that the price of fuel does not have an effect on.
We should have been drilling 30 years ago, and building more refineries.
The Democrats have blocked every effort ever made, to obtain, and use our own oil.
The time is now, for their allegiance to shift from these "were killing our planet" environmental elitists, to the American Public.
They know it too, they are already talking about how it may not have been a good idea, that Al Gore gave his moving speech in DC yesterday.
After getting off his private jet, and taking his motorcade, you know, nothing extravagant, a few Lincoln's and a HUGE SUV, to give his save the planet oratory.
"Drill now, Drill here, Pay LESS"!
I think it's time we followed Oklahoma's lead and let the rebellion begin.
The libs will be burning a cross in his front yard.
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