I wonder if McCain is having second thoughts about campaign finance "reform."
MoveOn, you should be ashamed.
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I wonder if McCain is having second thoughts about campaign finance "reform."
MoveOn, you should be ashamed.
No surprise to me, typical of these scumbags.
They have no sense of decency, not a shred of dignity, no moral conscience what so ever, and are a sad excuse for Americans.
I like it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you don't like that site then stick to your ultra-conservative sites that have the same propaganda but from a different angle. I have no problem with mother that love their children and would rather they not be killed in a war they don't believe in.
I think the best thing that could happen in the US would be for a forced draft to happen - then the people may rebel and voice their concerns. Right now the casualties can be attributed to "they signed up for this".
I will respond when I get to a computer with video.
But did you see Obama flipped on accepting public financing ? Some more of the change we can believe in . I thought the Democrats loved the restrictions that campaign finance reform brings . I'm sure McCain is beginning to see the folly of his ways . I doubt he will reign in the 527 s . Let the battle begin. Expect Obama to say "that isn't the George Soros I knew"
Dude where have you been?? Mccain has been flipping on everything lately to try to whore out his candidacy to every Tom, and Joanne (had to remove the gay theme for you :)).Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello Steve:
I don't know. It's certainly no worse than calling people with her view, traitors.
Nope, calling people who don't share your political viewpoint traitors is first off not true, it shows your ignorance of American history, and it doesn't foment good relations. It's actually a pretty disgusting thing to do...
I share the viewpoint depicted in the video. I also spilled my blood for my country. How many of you name callers did that?
excon
Sitting at my desk, raising my hand, I did!Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
And I would do so again, If I wasn't over half a hundred.
Opinions are one thing, but MoveOn (and Obama) know darn good and well McCain never said he wanted to wage a 100 year war in Iraq and in fact qualified his statement by saying "as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed." This ad is pathetic, emotional fear mongering.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I think the best thing that can happen is for all you critics to realize the progress made in Iraq and get behind the effort instead of trying to undermine the effort. Which do you really want, success in Iraq, a defeat for Islamofascist terrorists and peace and freedom for the Iraqi people, or just get out regardless of the consequences? Let's see which side you're on, NK.Quote:
I think the best thing that could happen in the US would be for a forced draft to happen - then the people may rebel and voice their concerns. Right now the casualties can be attributed to "they signed up for this".
Ex, as best I can tell you're the first to mention the word traitor, I didn't see where anyone had called her a traitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Ex, I missed the draft and didn't volunteer afterward, does that make me less of an American?Quote:
I share the viewpoint depicted in the video. I also spilled my blood for my country. How many of you name callers did that?
I noticed that you like to throw around pejorative words about Moderates and Liberals, p. I suggest that you go look in the mirror if you want to see a REAL scumbag... lying, being ignorant, and piling all your internal hate, which is your responsibility to ameliorate, ONTO MODERATE AND LIBERAL POLITICAL CANDIDATES is truly pitiful and pathetic. Grow up.
Johnny McBush has flip flopped on almost all his positions!
Why he just changed his position on a major pronouncement FROM THREE WEEKS AGO.
BWAH HA HA
I have never used the word moderate, especially in reference to Obama, he is the most radical liberal in the senate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Choux
I believe I detect a bit more hatred in your posts, than can be found in mine.
Ah yes, more insults, more name calling, and not a single word of substance or any indication of intelligence, other than your big fancy words, that you seem to even have trouble spelling.
"It's not an easy decision, and especially because I support a robust system of public financing of elections." -Barack ObamaQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision to forgo the 84 million in lieu of record cash flows - lol.
As McCain said, whatever is expedient for the Democrats is what works for them.Quote:
What's worse: a broken system or a broken promise?
Barack Obama is betting on the former. In a video sent to supporters at 8:35 this morning (above), the Illinois senator and presumptive Democratic presidential nominee announced that, unlike Republican rival John McCain, he will refuse public financing for the general election--despite a previous pledge to accept it. "This means we'll be forgoing more than $80 million in public funds," says Obama, referring to the $84.1 million a publicly-financed candidate would receive and would be limited to spending in the general election. "It's not an easy decision, and especially because I support a robust system of public financing of elections."
"Support" is one way to put it. "Said I would opt into" is another. Asked last September on a questionnaire from the Midwest Democracy Network whether he would "participate in the presidential public financing system" if his "major opponents agree to forgo private funding in the general election campaign," Obama checked the box marked "yes," then outlined his vision for the 2008 contest. "In February 2007, I proposed a novel way to preserve the strength of the public financing system in the 2008 election," he wrote. "My plan requires both major party candidates to agree on a fundraising truce, return excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general election... Senator John McCain (R-AZ) has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."
The use of the term flip flop really doesn't apply to the changes McCain has made.
Anyone with some intelligence, given new information, and the opportunity to examine and verify this new information, has the right, no, the duty, to change their position based on the new information.
It is called being intelligent, and being able to admit that you have a different opinion, based upon that new information.
I'd say that is the kind of quality we need in a leader.
His changes, don't compare to some of the real flip flopping, like "I voted for funding the war, before I voted against it" in the liberal style.
Some of McBush's flip flops: "On Iraq, the economy, guns, and God, McCain is to the right. On immigration, campaign finance reform, and global warming, McCain is to the left. Sort of reminiscent of John Kerry back in 2004. McCain went after Barack Obama yesterday for proposing a windfall tax on the oil companies. A month ago McCain said he was willing to consider a windfall tax on the oil companies. What about offshore drilling? During his run for president in 2000, McCain was against it. Now he's for it, saying the state should decide if they want to drill for oil off their coastlines. This could cost him big-time in states like California and Florida which are very environmentally conscious. Then there are the Bush tax cuts, McCain was against them - twice - now he's for them. McCain has also called for the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay to be closed down, and torture banned. But last week he criticized the Supreme Court's ruling that detainees there should have access to U.S. courts, calling the Supreme Court decision one of the worst decisions in the history of this country. So here's the question. How clear is it where John McCain stands on the issues?" Jack McCaffrey's list
Jack, McBush stands exactly where Bush and the Republican Party powers tell him where he stands.
McBush is Bush's lapdog.
Rumsfeld refuses to endorse him per news today.
MCCAIN IS NO LEADER HE IS JUST CONFUSED.
Which pejorative are you referring to, where I used "critics" with NK? Let's put it to a vote out there. Which is worse, referring to a group of people as "critics" or your disgusting, hateful, childish personal attack on me:Quote:
Originally Posted by Choux
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REAL scumbag
Lying
Being ignorant
Piling all your internal hate
Truly pitiful and pathetic
At least he doesn't see dead people and hasn't been to 57 states in this country so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Choux
You kind of got to feel sorry for them, don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
When the best they can do is respond with name calling and personal attacks, because there is no good argument for the socialistic ideals they carry around.
In their position, I would be hateful, insulting, and angry all the time too.
I'm just a bitter, gun totin' conservative that clings to religion, I have no pity for them. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by progunr
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
It appeals to the emotions... granted...
But when you really think about it , we have a VOLUNTEER military. This infant may very well grow up to VOLUNTEER and serve his country in the armed forces.
Will this mother be proud of him then?
Excellent point, perhaps we'd get another Cindy Sheehad out of the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by inthebox
That may depend on how much MoveOn is willing to pay her to make the next ad.
Thanks for sharing. Only thing moveon.org really could had approved upon is if the mother would had mentioned John McCain's name a couple more times in that 30 second spot. Maybe they could have gone the subliminal route or added a ticker tape at the bottom of the screen also. But other than that it's rather effective!
Hello again, Steve:
Soooo, you guy's don't like getting swiftboated... Isn't that just toooo bad?
excon
That's funny I said almost the same thing to my mother in law when she was holding her new grandson about a month ago.
Ex,Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
McCain has served honorably, as far as I know never accused his fellow soldiers of war crimes and, (we have the transcript and videos) never said he wanted to wage a 100 year war in Iraq. And I never called the woman a traitor...
Just in case anyone missed it, the link below is the full video version of John McCain's commitment comment on Iraq. Two things that I found mildly amusing, besides the kid in the background that's bored and points to his watch, one: McCain tries to draw a distinction between what he would do (100 years if necessary) and then that of the American public desire to not have any casualties and choose redeployment (as if it's our decision). And two: toward the end of the video the questioner again points out the casualties and John McCain, already irritated, couldn't give a quota to measure the need for redeployment.
YouTube - McCain 100 Years in Iraq 1/3/2008
A 25,30,35 year old in the military is a child but a 20 year old intern in the Clinton White House is a grown woman who can make her own decisions.
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