That means trouble also for the Democratic Party! What's with these pastors speaking up at the last minute saying these things at this critical point in time? Does anyone know?
ABC News: Cardinal Condemns Clinton Mocking Priest
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That means trouble also for the Democratic Party! What's with these pastors speaking up at the last minute saying these things at this critical point in time? Does anyone know?
ABC News: Cardinal Condemns Clinton Mocking Priest
I think the Priest could had used more tact, but other than that I agree with his sentiments. Both Republican and Democrat news commentators from the major networks have been saying as much for months.
My only question is what kind of church is that? They seem to talk more about politics than Jesus? And Father Pfleger, a Roman Catholic priest, is this politically active?
State pork to Obama's district included allies, donors -- Trials, Emil Jones, Brooklyn (King's, New York) -- chicagotribune.com
"One of those long-time supporters was Rev. Michael Pfleger, the politically active leader of St. Sabina Church. He gave Obama's campaign $1,500 between 1995 and 2001, including $200 in April 2001, about three months after Obama announced $225,000 in grants to St. Sabina programs."
You know, SNL could not come up with a better script about racism.
It's sad and yet funny. :)
Birds of a feather flock together.
Oh, for pete's sake. It's too bad we don't have YouTube and the media everywhere to collect the audios and videos of everyone Obama has ever known acting out their own personal vendettas or angsts or political agendae. Then he can be soundly thrashed by all of the naysayers looking for a reason to say some more nays. One of these days the man is going to have to seclude himself in his room in order to avoid any possible association with the stupid and the vitriolic.
Well, Wondergirl, if you going to dance to the tune, you got to pay the piper.
Cardinal ;why wasn't Father Pfleger purged years ago. The rant against Evita is nothing compared to some of the other hate-filled sermons and things he has publicly said. Cardinal; the Obama campaign brought Father Pfleger to Iowa to host a number of campaign related events. The Federal Government really has to look at some of these churches and pastors nationwide and determine if they still qualify for their tax exempt status.Quote:
The Catholic Church does not endorse political candidates," read a written statement from Cardinal Francis George, head of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Chicago. "Consequently, while a priest must speak to political issues that are also moral, he may not endorse candidates nor engage in partisan campaigning."
Wondergirl
If Obama stopped associating with the radical and fringe he would not have a problem with those surrounding him . But you are right ;by the time he throws all these associates under the bus he will be as lonely as a monk.Going into this weekend's DNC Rules committee meeting Democrats have to wonder if Pfleger is the last radical shoe that's going to drop out of Obama's closet. By reminding Democrats of this, Pfleger could somehow resurrect the dwindling hopes of Evita's nomination.
Thank you for sharing links to these important videos! Well, there it is in black and white, what Obama's supporters and friends are saying! Are these the kind of things he should be associated with as a presidential front-runner? This is truly SHOCKING and I had absolutely no idea these videos were on YouTube for all to see!Quote:
Originally Posted by magprob
Did you see the ones about you?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
If Obama Gets The Presdency < Every One Within The First Year Will Be Crying ( Ididnt Vote For Him< How Did He Get The Office, And The Whole Usa Is Going To Be Sorry< He Has Every One Brain Washed<snowed In ::: Just Wait And See< America Is Going To Be Sorry ::: F.b.e.
Every One Better Think Twice
No, actually I was too busy looking at yours!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Louis Farrakhan and I are going bowling later. I hope it's on YouTube! Just kidding of course, but more than a few of the anti-Obama posts should be classified Area 51... out-there. :eek:
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Originally Posted by Flying Blue Eagle
How ironic! Too bad the majority of the public didn't think twice about voting for Dubya. Of course our dear Congress needs to pull their head out as well. Inflation, gas prices, lay-offs, extremely poor war tactics and ongoing expenses to boot, etc..? It's not going to matter who wins the next election because for the first two to three years there's too many problems on their plate to judge them by. If either Obama or McCain were to take office they'd be so saddled with the last eight years of bumbling that it would take four years just to see some turn around on several fronts. Even McCain admitted such saying he would need two terms if elected. BTW a lot of people are voting for a Democrat simply because they don't want another four years of Republican White House rule, thanks to the drugstore cowboy and the yokels worrying about who's wearing a lapel flag pin.
I found it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
YouTube - Fat Girl Laughing
Ah, you found it! Great! Now we know what she looks like! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by magprob
If only we each got the opportunity to wonder which YouTube video of ourselves or a friend or our pastor might show up on the evening news...
Infinitely more fun is reading The Onion --
Obama Practices Looking-Off-Into-Future Pose | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
Obama's answer yesterday was to throw the whole Church under the bus.
You see ;he used the church when he needed street cred. He also pointed out his affilitation with them when he needed to counter those ridiculous charges that he was Muslim. But now they have become a political burden because the separatist message counters with his message of hype ooops I meant hope ,unity ,and change . So... see you... it' s been a blast !
The road kill from the Obama campaign is beginning to accumulate . Who's next ?
Great question, Tom! You have a remarkable grasp of the obvious!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That's not true about throwing the whole church under the bus. And parishioners of all ages who have been interviewed by the media say that it's perfectly understandable that Obama has to separate himself from two flakes. If you lived in Chicago, you would know that Father Pflager, despite all the good he has done for desperate people, has a long-standing reputation as an "iconoclast" and a big-mouth. One Chicago columnist today wondered what was he thinking, especially when he said what he did in Wright's pulpit no less. "Is he that self-absorbed???" The Chicago cardinal has been all around the block with him over the years and is finally fed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Obama needed street cred?? Surely you jest. There was no altruism at all?? This terrifically noble man who has managed a positive campaign, who even suggested he might pay off Hillary's campaign debts, who is a faithful husband, who is raising two well-mannered daughters, whose every public move has been above reproach needed street cred??
Yeah he needed street cred . He was raised far removed from the streets of Chicago .He was Princeton and Harvard educated. Then he moved to Chicago to be an activist. He needed the associations with Rev Wright Pflager ,and screwy Louis (that has not been explored in enough detail yet) to advance a political career . Now he is trying to make a broader appeal so his associations with them hurt him... so hasta la vista .
Doesn't that strike you as a bizarre comment to make ? Even he can't believe the radical views of the Unity Church of Christ are conventional .Quote:
"I didn't anticipate my fairly conventional Christian faith being subject to such challenge and such scrutiny."
Hello tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Fortunately for us, most of what YOU consider conventional, isn't conventional at all.
excon
I assure you that most Christian churches do not live on the fringe beliefs ansd doctrine that the Unity Church of Christ teaches .
Nor does Trinity.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
And several months ago Rush Limbaugh publicly said the same thing as Father Pflager, but no one lifted an eyebrow --
April 1, 2008 LIMBAUGH: And if they -- you know, if Hillary doesn't get it -- you have to understand the mindset of a lot of these feminists and women. They think they're owed this -- just like Obama supporters think they're owed this. These women have paid their dues. They've been married two or three times; they've had two or three abortions; they've done everything that feminism asked them to do. They have cut men out of their lives; they have devoted themselves to causes and careers. And this -- the candidacy of Hillary Clinton -- is the culmination of all of these women's efforts. And if it gets stolen from them, in their minds -- not actually stolen, but if the country or if the Democrat [sic] Party rejects this wonderfully great, lying woman in exchange for a rookie, radical black guy who can't tell the time of day, they are going to be so miffed. They are going to be so upset.
Oh, yeah. Limbaugh is white. His audience is white.
Rush speaks from the microphone of a radio talk show, and he pays taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Father Pflager, on the other hand, is a priest, speaking from a pulpit, in a so called church, that has a tax exempt status.
Therein lies a HUGE difference.
And no one takes Rush seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by progunr
Rush does.
Yea, that has to stop. All religious institutions should pay taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by progunr
Yup part of the quid pro quo is they give up certain free speech rights like endorsing candidates and using their church for political organizing . The fact that churches for years have violated that without penalty is all the more reason for the tax exemption to end.Quote:
All religious institutions should pay taxes.
Wondergirl surely you know that Trinity is a member church of the Unity Church of Christ .
Answer to the question provided with no regard to other 'answers':
Because, he DOES share those views [ratical black-power-esq views], but he can't admit it. That's why that pastor that he 'doesn't agree with' married him and his wife, and baptised there children. I'm not against obama, eather. I'm just saying the truth.
Hello:
It's fine with me that he recognizes that racism and poverty are at the root of most of our problems. I don't know who you people are that think this stuff went away... There are some black people out there who are very angry with this country... I don't blame 'em. I ain't too pleased with it my damn self.
excon
And?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Who thinks it went away? Maybe white people do?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Tom, just found this website on the Internet and since most of you are discussing Christian churches and the discussion has led to further discussions on Black and White Americans, was wondering what you think of this posting and what is being said?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
A Brief for "Whitey" - Pat Buchanan rebukes Obama -- Cobblestone Road Ministries Message Board
Sounds to me like you really want blacks out of America.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
How do you figure that? Or could it be that you want Whites out. I would like to hear opinions on what the posting is saying since the conversation has evolved into Black - White issues and points are being made that could be looked into according to the statistics posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
NK-
The US has never experienced having anyone other than Caucasians leading from the White House. Yes, I'm painfully reminded as this election process marches forward, that it was only approx 40 years ago that the majority of white society finally felt comfortable enough to share drinking fountains with blacks.
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Rush on the radio. Pfleger in church.
Rush voicing his opinion. Pfleger, I'm not sure what his SNL like skit has to do with Jesus or glorifying God.
Oh by the way, I listen to Rush on occasion, And I'm not white.
It's always good to know who thinks and says what about whom and what. The better informed we are, the wiser we hope to become.Quote:
Originally Posted by inthebox
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