Well, well, well -- It appears Obama DID attend Wright's speech after all! What an Obamanation this would become should he edge toward the Democrat nomination!
Newsmax.com - Obama Attended Hate America Sermon
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Well, well, well -- It appears Obama DID attend Wright's speech after all! What an Obamanation this would become should he edge toward the Democrat nomination!
Newsmax.com - Obama Attended Hate America Sermon
Or perhaps too little info, to late to stop his sweep into nomination, but perhaps get to allow the Rep still win the election.
But then, honestly, does a lot of this hate speech really differ from how many of the far left democrats really feel ?
The hot light is on Obama now, he has to be sweating it out! One has to look in that should he win the nomination, this, along with other things, would put the Obama campaign under the greatest scrutiny and make it further questionable and would be the icing on the cake for McCain during the fall debates since Obama repeatedly has said he did not attend that speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
I have watched as the more negative stuff that comes out about this turkey, the stronger his base supports him. They have become the defenders of his actions, no matter what those actions are. They feel he is simply the "victim" of the white mans persecution and lies.
What I really want to know, is, why does he call himself a black man?
Hell, he is equally as white, as he is black, is he not?
He also need to keep a better log of what he has said, he can't even remember things he said less than 6 months ago. "I never said I wouldn't wear "that pin"?
If it wasn't so sickening, it would be funny.
What gets me is that they Rev. WRight's hate speeches when he could and would do better including all people who have been wronged and make it an average American against whoever or whatever. Example: He says the Tuskegee Airmen were targeted and wiped out by the white man but what about Agent Orange and AIDS and other things? They have killed many white Americans too!'
I have said since Rev Wright was brought into the pic that there is no way Obama could have sat in his church and been friends and not known what he believes.
How many months or years does it take to realize someone is a racist even when they do a good job at hiding it!
Does he call himself a black man (and if so, probably because that's what he sees when he looks in a mirror). Or is everyone else obsessing over that point? Remember the old days when whites called a person black if there was even just one drop of black blood in him/her?Quote:
Originally Posted by progunr
I've always thought of him as a man. That's all. Black, white, purple, orange? It doesn't matter.
I read the article. Obama musta been doin' some hot jettin' around that day. And I wonder why that reporter Jim guy decided to get all churchified?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
That, my friend, is the Sixty-Four dollar question in many a mind!Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
Well you know, when it concerns high-profile figures and where they go and what they attend, there will always be someone who will be there to see if they can get a story out of it. As for the reporter, he surely got his!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
A racist he is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
Obama may not be a racist but my 64 $ ? Is why would he be under a pastor that is racist and
Why would he say he didn't know when he had to of?
I know if I had attended a church with a pastor like Rev Felps going there would be over quicker than he could say one single racist line.
Racist black pastor? Did you grow up black in the American South that had separate public bathrooms and drinking fountains for blacks (with big signs "Blacks only") who were forced to live in a less desirable part of town and were limited in education and jobs? Would you have objected back then? If not, why not? Would you remember the injustice?Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
Who is really racist here?
IF you are really going to try to defend the words of this pastor or what he believes, then in my opinion, you have no credibility here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Common sense must prevail.
Even Obama didn't try to defend the remarks and statements this guy made.
Yes, it is obvious that he is a Racist Black Pastor.
You have a point about the situations faced by minorities in America, it was horrible and yes, we should never forget and should continue to strive to be more accepting of the different races in this country.
That said, please explain how the ranting and lies being told by this so called "pastor" will do anything except make things worse? Does he sound like he is trying to make anything better?
He's not a racist black pastor. Does that mean that any rabbi that angrily speaks out about the Holocaust is a racist Jewish rabbi? He's someone, making a statement. Just like everyone else in this country has a right to do. If you don't like it, you don't have to agree with it, you can change the channel, turn down the volume, stick your fingers in your ears and hum... but he still has a right to say it. What you decide to do with what is said is completely up to you.
What's so different about Rev. Wright making a sermon voicing his opinion than any other person making any type of speech voicing their opinion? What's the difference between that and some of the posts you see on this site?
Everyone is so up in arms about it... walk down the street someday and really listen to what people in the general public are saying... black and white... more people probably think along the same lines as Rev. Wright do than will ever actually admit it. I have heard people of all different races, ethnic backgrounds and financial situations say the same thing as Wright... it's an "illegal war"... "our men are dying for nothing"... it's based on "Bush's lies and for oil and money"... but you put the "Black Spin" on it and oh my goodness what a fuss!
Like I said, did you grow up in the same U.S. Wright did and are black? If so, I honor you for your forebearance and forgiveness. If not, think about it. Think deeply about it. Oh, and racism is still going on strong, as evidenced by this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by progunr
Did you live during that time? Did you see the racism up close and personal? What are you doing about racism today?Quote:
You have a point about the situations faced by minorities in America, it was horrible and yes, we should never forget and should continue to strive to be more accepting of the different races in this country.
I grew up in the south in the 60's, and I've seen my share of racism. In my home town,
The Blacks lived on one side of the railroad tracks, and the whites lived on the other, that's the way it was, THEN.
It is a long way back to that point in time. No, I'm not black. Does that mean that I can't recognize a racist when I see or hear one? Obviously not.
If this Pastor really cared about his "so called people" he would not continue to spout such ridiculous crap as "The US KKK of A" or "whites created aids to kill the blacks" or anything that just reinforces and compounds the hatred and intolerance that already exists.
No, he would go out of his way, to attempt to make things better, to try to find love and compassion, not to incite even more hatred, keep stirring up the racial hatred that WAS much more prevalent so many years ago.
As long as there are Pastors like him, things will only get worse, never better.
Just wondered what your personal experience has been...Quote:
Originally Posted by progunr
And what has the U.S. done about the KKK? And what about the Tuskegee Syphilis Study? And improving the welfare system to get people back on their feet, or on their feet for the first time?Quote:
If this Pastor really cared about his "so called people" he would not continue to spout such ridiculous crap as "The US KKK of A" or "whites created aids to kill the blacks" or anything that just reinforces and compounds the hatred and intolerance that already exists.
You must have missed reading the articles that have been published about all the neighborhood improvements and social work that have been done because of his leadership during the 30-some years he was a minister there. I guess those are nullified because of five minutes of negative comments during all those years of sermons.Quote:
No, he would go out of his way, to attempt to make things better, to try to find love and compassion, not to incite even more hatred, keep stirring up the racial hatred that WAS much more prevalent so many years ago.
As long as there are Pastors like him, things will only get worse, never better.[/QUOTE]
Just wondered what your personal experience has been... Btw, it still is that way in many towns and cities. New Orleans is our most recent public revelation of that situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by progunr
And what has the U.S. done about the KKK? And what about the Tuskegee Syphilis Study? And improving the welfare system to get people back on their feet, or on their feet for the first time?Quote:
If this Pastor really cared about his "so called people" he would not continue to spout such ridiculous crap as "The US KKK of A" or "whites created aids to kill the blacks" or anything that just reinforces and compounds the hatred and intolerance that already exists.
You must have missed reading the articles that have been published about all the neighborhood improvements and social work that have been done because of his leadership during the 30-some years he was a minister there. I guess those are nullified because of five minutes of negative comments during all those years of sermons.Quote:
No, he would go out of his way, to attempt to make things better, to try to find love and compassion, not to incite even more hatred, keep stirring up the racial hatred that WAS much more prevalent so many years ago.
As long as there are Pastors like him, things will only get worse, never better.
I would have been proud to be a member of his church and involved in all the work that his congregation has done--and will continue to do under a new minister.
If you think racism is a white man's monopoly, then you are really deluded. Every race has its racists, and Rev. Wrong is one of them.
The financial crisis
The collapse of housing values in the US and around the world
Afghanistan
Health care
Torture
The declining value of the US Dollar
Education
Trade
Pakistan
Energy
Immigration
The decline of American manufacturing
The Supreme Court
The burgeoning world food crisis.
Global warming
China
The attacks on organized labor and the working class
Terrorism and al Qaeda
Civil liberties and constraints on government surveillance
Those are all excellent topics to judge a candidate: you decide to pick a sermon attendance and lapel pin. Pathetic.
I want to play the "new revelation" game! Let me Guess! George W Bush believed that G-d told him to go to war in Iraq and now Jesus has told you to vote for McCain?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem Formerly in Spirit; currently assigned to the Earth plane.
News Flash! McCain and Hillary haven't been wearing their flag pins for quite a while now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
So let me get this straight, while the topics you mentioned are all important, are you intimading that Patriotism to one's country, especially when you're running for the highest office in the land is not as important or somehow should be shelved if the candidate is not truly patriotic? I really want to understand that train of thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
You mean it's just a rumor that John McCain rises for revelry, spends the day with his right arm across his chest, hand over heart, reciting the pledge of allegiance on the hour?
Wrong on at least your second guess but Jesus did give me a great mind with which to question things, especially done by those vying for the nation's highest office.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
Au contraire! I see no evidence of that proclaimed greatness. I have read of biases, hypocrisy, and minimal balance.
Your definition of patriotism is wearing a flag pin? Like, I should vote for someone simply because he/she wears a flag pin?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
Btw, Obama voted to require the Pledge of Allegiance to be recited each school day by students in secondary education institutions receiving public funds. [92nd GA, SB 1634, 3/7/02, 3R P; 54-0-0; P.A. 92-0612, 7/3/02; 92nd GA, HB 2077, 11/28/01, 3R P; 56-0-0].
The email-circulated photo was taken not during the pledge of allegiance but during the star spangled banner. Said Obama, "I was taught by my grandfather that you put your hand over your heart during the pledge, but during the Star Spangled Banner, you sing!"
Someone started an email that included "the [Time] article said" that Obama refused to say the pledge and would not put his hand on his heart. There is no such article on the Time Web site and searches of the Web and newspaper-magazine databases could only find blog postings that repeat the claim from the e-mail. It's unclear where the allegation originated." (St. Petersburg Times, 11/9/07) It has been called SCURRILOUS AND FALSE BY OTHER NEWS SOURCES.
Obama answered the flag pin question by saying, "I'm less concerned about what you are wearing on your lapel than what's in your heart."
Questioning is one issue. Discernment is another.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
By golly you finally did it! I knew you would take a good look in the mirror at yourself and finally come out with your self-appraisal and your true worth and in such realistic terms! Way to go, BABRAM!Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
Ah yes, he is so known for being the eternal poet...but when it comes to answering the questions directly, suddenly He Don't Know It!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I don't wear a flag pin or even fly a flag from my front porch. Am I unpatriotic? It would be a sorry state of affairs if that's the criterion on which we judge patriotism.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
He's been very direct with his answers, and has done his best to run a clean campaign. Too bad he doesn't wear a gold cross on a cord around his neck so we know he's a Christian.
When Moshiach comes, all the sick will be healed; only a fool will stay a fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
Persimmon, prunes, and wild nuts.
I'd better cut down on my prune intake.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
Does going over this old ground over and over put anyone else to sleep? Snore...
No. This is emotionally and psychically helpful to me. The more we discuss this topic, the calmer I become as I realize that Obama will be the Democratic candidate to go up against McCain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skell
I will sing you a lullabye... "tura lura lura...."
Ahhh, that's better. I hope you're right Wondergirl.
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