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Sick, cowardly, unbelievable...
What is wrong with these people?
I hope all 8 are prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced to the harshest lawful sentence possible.
Wht if this was your daughter getting beat ?
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Sick, cowardly, unbelievable...
What is wrong with these people?
I hope all 8 are prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced to the harshest lawful sentence possible.
Wht if this was your daughter getting beat ?
I am currently teaching my daughter not to put personal information on public websites. I'm also trying to teach her not to be friends with psychotic people.
I am currently teaching my daughter how to kick some AZZ!
No, I'm not, but I will. That is the most degrading thing I have seen in a long time. How could they? How do people act in such a manner? Obviously they have no conscience.
No worry whether they will get in trouble or how they could hurt someone like that. What has gotten into these kids? This is bad, very very bad.
I would be so mad and embarrassed if my child had participated or just stood by and did nothing to help.
ABC News: Teens Showcase 'Pack' Beating on Web
Good thing we are cleansing society of all those traditional values .
I suppose someone will champion Youtube's right to have this posted on their sight uncensored . But what is this if not providing a venue for criminal activity?
I'm not calling for a boycott or anything like that except I will suggest that they should examine their policies . They provide a useful service do they really want to be the venue of choice for cyber and real criminal bullies ?
oops meant myspace but my comments apply to both sites.
You know, girls and boys in middle school and high school can be so cruel.
It happened to me, but I didn't get beaten up, just emotioanlly abused.
I agree Tom, but it would be better if we could get some justice for this. We can go back to blaming the sites, but that is not the REAL problem in my eyes. The people using the site irresponsibly and unjustly, they need to be held fully accountable. YouTube could do a better job "looking out" or Myspace could too, but why do we always blame the gun and not the shooter?
True but look at how administration monitors this site for comparison. Youtube and myspace provided the forum .
I agree, they need to be much more attentive. I also think that PARENTS if they allow their kids to have a myspace need to be more attentive to what is being posted, do daily and hourly checks depending how often their children log in. :)
I just know that each of those kids involved should be charged and it should go all the way!
I'm sure if it wasn't myspace and YouTube, it would have been Facebook and break... unless you want to get rid of the internet altogether, just regulating a few sites more closely won't help.
I believe you are right, and a little more monitoring and less drama with our kids would help too.
Again my point is a big part of the motivation for the attack was to post a "shock video" on these types of forums. Just Google "girls attack " on the web and see what you come up with. This is criminal behavior that is being promoted by allowing this to be posted on these sites .
What's next ;snuff video ?
I agree, this is stupid. The people brought on the urge to do it though. YouTube never said, hey allof you posters, please, we need the most outrageous video, you will get lot's of attention and make our site the best! They never said that. Just because there is opportunity to do bad, doesn't mean we should take it. We all should know better!
I wish these fights were not allowed to be posted. We had a fight at one of the schools in my town and not only was it posted on Myspace and You Tube it was on all of the major t.v. stations. The kids and parents were guest on shows like Tyra Banks, Good Morning America to name a few. I wonder if they got paid... Whether they were or not I am sure there are kids that worship them now and kids that want to video a more violent fight ( I've heard a lot of kids think that it was a soft fight) so it would not surprise if this same school is not on the news again.
I wonder if these kids are going to be invited on all the major shows. I hope not I think it just encourages and rewards bad behavior.
Totally, that is what I mean by them getting attention. Other kids as sick as they are think this is cool. Damn, I am surely going to have a long talk AGAIN with my kids tonight!
The scope of the two sites is not comparable by any stretch of the imagination.Quote:
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This is sad, and part of the problem is technology is advancing faster than the law... And its hard to come up with a policy for every situation, because someone will always think of something that doesn't violate the policy. And let's face it, we're in the good 'ol USA; you take someone's video down and they're likely to sue you (and win).
I hope parents start educating their children more about acceptable behavior, not only online, but also in person. There is a whole generation of "precious little snowflakes" right now whose parents think they can do no wrong, so they end up doing things like this and wonder what the problem is.
I hope all the people involved are punished. And I hope this forces ALL public forum sites to monitor their sites better and develop policies to prevent such things from going up. Moderating is hard, especially on the size and scope that myspace and YouTube operate under, but it's not impossible.
All the more reason for them to take more interest in self monitoring . I do not know what pressure can be brought to bear on them. Do they advertise on other sites or take ads ? I wonder how they would respond to a growing campaign to get servers to block them based on the public pressure ?Quote:
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true but look at how administration monitors this site for comparison. Youtube and myspace provided the forum .
The scope of the two sites is not comparable by any stretch of the imagination.
The only way to really get the sites blocked are to either have parental control software on the computers being used (Which is a good idea to have in place anyway), or to have the ISP block them.Quote:
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ISPs aren't going ot block access to certain sites because they're not really allowed to. Look at the whole thing that just went down with Comcast and bittorrent traffic. If ISPs start filtering traffic like that, they're in danger of losing comman carrier status, and then everything that goes through the network, be it illegal downloads from P2P, hacking attempts... anything of that nature, is all specifically their responsibility, and not their customers.
A third way would be to configure rules in your router to not route traffic destined to specific IP addresses and ranges, but that's out of the question because even a lot of tech-savvy people can't do that.
The lesson is that parents really do have to keep an eye on their kids... I'm part of that generation where parents just don't care enough about what we're doing. Mine didn't really keep a close eye on me... but they didn't have to. I was raised knowing right from wrong. And I'm sure if I had started to act out at all, they would have been all over me, but the fact is that parents see their kids starting to act out, and they don't take responsibility for it.
Guns don't kill people.
Video games and TV shows aren't babysitters.
The internet doesn't commit hate crimes.
I would say that violence and drugs and alcohol are easier for kids to get than they used to be... but all that technology that makes things available, also makes it easier to check ID and lock down security. In my opinion, it's parenting that's at fault for most of the things people blame the media for.
I am so happy my fiancée and I decided NEVER TO HAVE KIDS!!
Not so unbelievable, but I agree with your sentiments.Quote:
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The emotions of high octane hormones rushing through these teenagers and the small capacity thinking that more-than-likely started with the parents rearing, was a dangerous combination.Quote:
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Understanding the event as presented to us, the attacked girl's parents recourse is to sue for damages to their daughter's health, temporary partial or permanent damages (hearing), and press assault charges. The lawsuit should include aiding and abetting with everyone named that was present. Ironically since it's became national public knowledge the video thus demonstrates two things: (1) the event itself and (2) posting of the video (myspace) as malicious intent; any half-witted prosecution team has an easy case.
Had it come to the point where self-defence was necessary, and my daughter was under attack, I would had expected the outcome to have been much different. I saw a living room full of makeshift weapons at the attacked girl's disposal. In other words, the girl that took the beating, no matter of size and being outnumbered, should had defended herself and then still pressed charges.Quote:
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From the video available it seems the victim was submissive and just trying to defend herself, hands upover her face, fetal position. She was not trying to go after her attackers.
I shudder to think that if the victim went for a kitchen knife or table lamp, how the 8 attackers would have escalated their violence.
This is something those of us who grew up without computers have to be thankful for!
Parents have got to start limiting what their child does on the computer and teach their child wrong from right!
All you parents out there who have kids you raise so well, good for you! Be damn proud!
The parents who have kids that do these things, you never should have produced a child!
Right! She didn't go after her assailants. BTW in that situation you don't defend yourself by putting your hands over your facing crawling up into the fetal position. She opened up herself to blindly providing more easy targets. Defending yourself is when you block or detour the shots coming at you.Quote:
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It's called the flight or fight reflex. You probably would had been like the victim that wanted to leave out the door and take the flight route, but that didn't work out so well. The attackers, all eight of them, were cowards. Sorry to be graphic, but stab the bully leader in the chest or cut an arm, then hold up the knife and ask "who's next?!" You don't even need a knife, a coke can, or glass from a photo frame will do. The rest of the chickens would have been obliged to open the door. Again sorry to be graphic here, because I'm very much an advocate of avoiding violence if given the opportunity to escape.Quote:
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Since listening to Nancy Grace I found out more details. This was a premeditated act. There will be assault and battery, as well as kidnapping charges. The hoodlums beat the victim unconscious. Apparently in addition to hearing loss there is some eye damage as well.
I think if your trained to defend yourself and this was a one on one or even one on 2 or 3, that person might be capable of taking the fight to their attackers. BUt even Mohammed Ali rope a doped - got him Parkinson's though.
However, it was one on eight. If the girl in question grabs a weapon, the majority of the others will grab their own weapons, and the potential for coma or manslaughter is much higher.
By their actions
- this was over trash talking over the internet
- premeditated
- 8 on 1
- videptaped so they can further humiliate the victim - none to smart either
I don't doubt that any one of the eight would use whatever weapon was available.
I have to give the victim's parents credit though for being so composed on camera.
I didn't watch the video (don't care to see it either, I get the point); what are the chances this was all a set-up and the girl consented to such abuse to make it onto YouTube? It wouldn't be the first time...
Not a chance . She was beat unconscious ;got a concussion and now has vision problems.
Ali's rope-a-dope was used in a sanctioned boxing match and he fought back and won. That's not a very good comparison. Ali, before the disease, would had beat the eight of them silly in less than five minutes, then taken off his belt and gave them humiliating spanking across their bare shinnies, autographed a toches cheek, then dropped them of at city hall tied up for the mayor to discover the next morning.Quote:
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I suggest, parents, to enroll your young ones into discipline martial art classes, preferably Wing Chun as a starter for your daughters. Kali's a great martial that starts of with knife offence/defense and how to use makeshift weapons. If nothing else at least go down to your local bookstore and get a book on Krav Maga, an Israeli combat system used by the IDF. These arts teach life skills for survival, respect for others, and self-esteem.
Get used to being outnumbered. You think on the streets that your going to be given time to go back home, gather the neighbors, and even up the score? Doesn't work that way. Just ask that little girl that was beat beyond recognition. I know most of the public will never experience any situation similar to what this little girl encountered, and that's a good thing. But if she grabs a sharp object, slashes or gouges a hole in the bully leader, one coward will be to busy dialing 911, two cowards will $#!t their panties, and the four other cowards will fly out the door sobbing uncontrollably. I thought you realized they are cowards? You're giving them way too much credit. I know what my families been exercised to do. It's obvious that you or you're children are more likely to be passive. That's OK as long as your given the opportunity to walk away.Quote:
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There will also be obstruction to justice charges.Quote:
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The victim's parents have a lot of emotional trials still to work through and I feel really horrible for them. My guess is that their local news stations will probably set-up mail for well wishers.
As for the other parents of these punks (punkettes)... they are from middle class neighborhoods? Probably tied into the business community, but obviously forgot about family responsibilities. They raised heathens and now have to deal with the embarrassing consequence. Child custody services need to look into their families and see what else lacks attention.
But couldn't that mean it just went too far? There are tons of videos and stories about frat and sorority pledges who are injured or killed because things went too far.Quote:
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Must be the skeptic coming out in me... and a bit of the pessimist too!
The story is very clear . This was an assault. . It was retaliation for some trash talking over at MySpace.
I have been hearing that that is becoming the latest internet video rage.
They do need to find a way to stop it quick before it gets out of control.
Going after Myspace or YouTube isn't the answer because as the others have said they will find somewhere else to put it up. The sites DO need to monitor better but it is the people doing these things that need dealt with.
Just like the short lived 'fire in the hole'
They don't just get these ideas from the internet either. They also get them from TV and other places. In the end they should be the ones responsible for their own actions.
I'm sure you're right, given what the affidavit says. I guess the thought just crossed my mind because I've seen/heard of other instances when an individual consents to take a beating, and it goes to far. I would think, though, if that were the case here, the girls being accused would say "She asked us to!", which they haven't.Quote:
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So never mind... ignore my crazy ideas!
Consenting or not, either way, both ways it is being done and needs to be stopped.
Proper parenting is always a good start. This has nothing to do with myspace or YouTube.Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
Yeah like I said in my first reply. They will do it regardless of myspace and YouTube.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I agree with the "proper" parenting. Giving the tools for respect and consideraton of others might need to be added to some of these parents "to teach your kids list". These kids have no idea what they have done nor do they care. Not only did that girl suffer greatly, before everyone found out AND after, but so did family memebers on both sides, this is far from being over for years to come. They may pretend to care because they got caught red handed. They need something/someone to teach them a lesson. I hope they get more than a slap on the hand for this, I truly do. Action=consequence...
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