Surely you've heard by now the uproar over Obama's pastor. If you haven't, let's review. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor, friend, the man who married he and Michelle, buddy and admirer of Louis Farrakhan, the man from whom Obama drew the inspiration for the name of his book, The Audacity of Hope - has made a few controversial comments that have gotten out recently. No, not that "the ministries of our church address some of that Jesus agenda" quote either. More like these:

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"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing God bless America? No, no, no! Not God bless America! God D**N America! -- it's in the Bible -- for killing innocent people! God D**N America for treating her citizens as less than human!"

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"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye...We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

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Hillary never had to worry about being pulled over in her car as a black man driving in the wrong! I am sick of Negroes who just do not get it! Hillary was not a black boy raised in a single parent home! Barack was. Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people! Hillary can never know that! Hillary ain't never been called a ni**er! Hillary has never had her people defined as nonpersons! Hillary ain't had to work twice as hard just to get accepted by the rich white folk who run everything, or to get a passing grade when you know you are smarter than their C-students sitting in the White House. Hillary ain't never had her own people say she wasn't white enough!

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"Hillary is married to Bill and Bill have been good to us? No, he ain't! Bill did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky!" (said complete with humping motions)

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Jesus was a poor black man who lived in a country and who lived in a culture, that was controlled by rich white people! The Romans were rich. The Romans were Italians, which means they were European, which means they were white -- and the Romans ran everything in Jesus' country. It just came to me within the past few weeks, y'all, why so many folk are hatin' on Barack Obama. He doesn't fit the model!

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“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns."

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Obama brushes it off as Wright is "like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with" - "It sounds like he was trying to be provocative."

Flash back to the 2000 campaign...

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Hoping to make Republicans squirm over their visits to Bob Jones University, House and Senate Democrats introduced a resolution today condemning the college for intolerance and criticizing its many visitors for staying silent on its anti-Catholic views.

With speeches decrying bigotry and racism, the Democrats made clear that it was Gov. George W. Bush's stop at the university, and his failure to denounce the college's policies, that compelled them to draw up the resolution. Mr. Bush later apologized for not seizing the chance to condemn the evangelical university's anti-Catholic teachings and its ban on interracial dating.

By heaping criticism on Mr. Bush, the Democrats hope not only to draw attention to a campaign misstep, but also to turn the university's policies into so much of a political mudbath that any candidate who has ever spoken there will end up vulnerable. Senator John Ashcroft, a Republican who is in a tough re-election bid in Missouri, has already been criticized for receiving an honorary degree from the college. Mr. Bush's presidential rival, Senator John McCain, has also condemned the Bush visit. But today it was Democrats who were using it in hopes of tarnishing Republicans.

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OK, who's going to be the first to introduce a resolution in congress condemning the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? Kennedy? Harry Reid?

I had an uncle very similar to Wright. My uncle was also guilty of giving sloppy kisses.

Wright needs to brush up a bit on his ancient history and his Bible trivia, but he's who he is and it's a free country.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I had an uncle very similar to Wright. My uncle was also guilty of giving sloppy kisses.

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Oh now that's gross, lol.

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Wright needs to brush up a bit on his ancient history and his Bible trivia, but he's who he is and it's a free country.

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He is, and so is President Bush and so is Bob Jones University, but let's apply the standards the Democrats have set anyway. I think it about time they live under their own rules.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Oh now that's gross, lol.

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Yes, it was. Trust me on that.

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He is, and so is President Bush and so is Bob Jones University, but let's apply the standards the Democrats have set anyway. I think it about time they live under their own rules.

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And the Republicans don't set standards? The Republicans live under their own rules?

I could careless what Obama's Pastor has to say. He is not running for the nomination.

In the OP I linked to the congressional record containing the resolution against Bob Jones U but their queries don't hold for long, so here is the text:

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Mr. TORRICELLI (for himself, Mr. REID, and Mr. ROBB) submitted the following concurrent resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary:

S. Con. Res. 85

Whereas the Senate strongly rejects the practices of racism, segregation, and intolerance based on religious beliefs;

Whereas the administration of Bob Jones University enforces a segregationist policy by prohibiting interracial couples on the Bob Jones University campus;

Whereas officials of Bob Jones University routinely disparage those of other religious faiths with intolerant and derogatory remarks;

Whereas officials of Bob Jones University have likened the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church to a ``possessed demon'', and branded Catholicism as a ``satanic system and religion of the anti-Christ'';

Whereas the Website of Bob Jones University greets visitors with the University's belief that Catholicism and Mormonism are ``cults''; and

Whereas senior officials of Bob Jones University have made openly racist remarks on many occasions regarding African Americans and Asian Americans: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the Senate (the House of Representatives concurring), That Congress--

(1) condemns practices, such as those prevalent at Bob Jones University, that seek to discriminate against and divide Americans on the basis of race, ethnicity, and religion; and

(2) strongly denounces individuals who seek to subvert the American ideals of inclusion, equality, and social justice.

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

I could careless what Obama's Pastor has to say. He is not running for the nomination.

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Shsss... quit being logical while he tries to destroy a candidate he doesn't like. Look at his posts - he hates all things liberal/democrat.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

And the Republicans don't set standards? The Republicans live under their own rules?

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Anything specific? I'll get specific, the Democrats denounce racism, hate speech, divisiveness, intolerance, discrimination... let them practice what they preach. I expect equal contempt for Jeremiah Wright as they had for Bob Jones U.

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

I could careless what Obama's Pastor has to say. He is not running for the nomination.

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And the people he associates with say nothing about the man? His refusal to condemn his remarks thus far says nothing of his character, nothing of the judgment of the man running as the candidate with superior judgment? Campaign workers on both he and Hillary's staff have been forced out because of stupid things they've said right and left, Ferraro being the latest. They weren't running for president, why should anyone care what they say?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Anything specific? I'll get specific, the Democrats denounce racism, hate speech, divisiveness, intolerance, discrimination...let them practice what they preach. I expect equal contempt for Jeremiah Wright as they had for Bob Jones U.

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Speaking of getting specific...

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Inconsistency on my part? Hatred on my part? Divisiveness on my part? Intolerance? Discrimination? What? Where? Specifically?

As much as some would like for it to be so, posting the facts and expecting the left to practice what they preach is none of those things. And unlike some here, I don't resort to immature insults when inconvenient truths come out.

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I wasn't insulting you. Stop getting your dander up. You didn't answer my question. I asked if Republicans set standards and follow them.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I wasn't insulting you. Stop getting your dander up. You didn't answer my question. I asked if Republicans set standards and follow them.

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Sorry, I did not mean to sound as if my dander was up over you so I will edit that. I'm asking what specific standard you may have in mind? Anything related to the OP or what? There are hypocrites on both sides, the difference is the right seems much better at holding their own accountable while the left gets really selective in their outrage.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Shsss...quit being logical while he tries to destroy a candidate he doesn't like. Look at his posts - he hates all things liberal/democrat.

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Not everything, we like?? Well maybe it is everything, too bad they don't come up with some of the old "southern democrat" beleifs like the party used to believe.

My parents were democrats from the 40's, I wrote down one day the patform of many of the democrats, they thought it was some communist party list. They would not believe me it was the democrats

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Surely you've heard by now the uproar over Obama's pastor.

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As you can see, none of the leftist want to discuss it, they just want to blow it off as not amounting to anything important.

Mitt Romney explained his and it's about time that Obama explain black liberation theology (Wrights’ and the Churches humanistic philosophy); a faith he chose and was not born into.

Yes. Let's review...

Obama has publicly said that he has not sat down to talk specifically with Wright concerning his personal political views or to run his campaign. He hasn't had that privilege, nor does Obama endorse all of Wright's religious/political ideology.

Now what was the name of the preacher that McCain was so tickled to have endorse him. You know! The one that had the Catholic Church on a greased sled preparing for hell eternal? Oh! It's, "John Hagee." Yes! Those good ol' boys "John and John." Listen I'd love to play the six degrees of separation Kevin Bacon game, but Shabbos starts soon.

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

Yes. Let's review...

Obama has publicly said that he has not sat down to talk specifically with Wright concerning his personal political views or to run his campaign. He hasn't had that privilege, nor does Obama endorse all of Wright's religious/political ideology.

Now what was the name of the preacher that McCain was so tickled to have endorse him. You know! The one that had the Catholic Church on a greased sled preparing for hell eternal?! Oh! It's, "John Hagee." Yes! Those good ol' boys "John and John." Listen I'd love to play the six degrees of separation Kevin Bacon game, but Shabbos starts soon.

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Bobby, I got no love for Hagee, but would you compare Wright's nonsense to Hagee's? Oh yeah, and Wright is on Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee. Doing anything or not as the campaign says, is that what you want on your campaign? Does that not deserve scrutiny?

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

As you can see, none of the leftist want to discuss it, they just want to blow it off as not amounting to anything important.

Mitt Romney explained his and it's about time that Obama explain black liberation theology (Wrights' and the Churches humanistic philosophy); a faith he chose and was not born into.

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Actually, I'm a registered Republican, but since that party has turned into an authoritarian mess (far different from the Republican Party that I knew and loved), I've learned to love a few Democrats.

Why does Obama have to explain it? Anyone can Google it to get an explanation.

Mr. Obama's answer to this:

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The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He's drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.

Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.

Because these particular statements by Rev. Wright are so contrary to my own life and beliefs, a number of people have legitimately raised questions about the nature of my relationship with Rev. Wright and my membership in the church. Let me therefore provide some context.

As I have written about in my books, I first joined Trinity United Church of Christ nearly twenty years ago. I knew Rev. Wright as someone who served this nation with honor as a United States Marine, as a respected biblical scholar, and as someone who taught or lectured at seminaries across the country, from Union Theological Seminary to the University of Chicago. He also led a diverse congregation that was and still is a pillar of the South Side and the entire city of Chicago. It's a congregation that does not merely preach social justice but acts it out each day, through ministries ranging from housing the homeless to reaching out to those with HIV/AIDS.

Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.

The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church.

Let me repeat what I've said earlier. All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn. They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country.

With Rev. Wright's retirement and the ascension of my new pastor, Rev. Otis Moss, III, Michelle and I look forward to continuing a relationship with a church that has done so much good. And while Rev. Wright's statements have pained and angered me, I believe that Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said, but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values, judgment and experience to be President of the United States.

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Quote: "Hillary is married to Bill and Bill have been good to us? No, he ain't! Bill did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky!" (said complete with humping motions)

I have to agree with him on that one. I think Billy Bob squirted us all in the eye.

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Now what was the name of the preacher that McCain was so tickled to have endorse him. You know! The one that had the Catholic Church on a greased sled preparing for hell eternal? Oh! It's, "John Hagee." Yes! Those good ol' boys "John and John."

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I think there is a huge difference between getting an endorsement and attending a parish for over 20 years with a pastor as warped as Wright is . If Obama did not agree with the philosophy or the rhetoric he should've found another parish long ago.

I will remind everyone that they completely discounted and brushed off some questionble endorsments that Ron Paul got as 'no big deal'.

DC is right .If Obama wants to clear this up he has an opportunity for a Mitt Romney moment . Let him explain "black liberation theology " and why he by a long religious association supports the ideology.

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Why would Obama choose the relatively unknown Huffpo web site to publish this instead of hs favorite MSM publication the NY Slimes ? Barack Obama: On My Faith and My Church - Politics on The Huffington Post

Basically Obama 1st says he was not present at any of the many controversial sermons (extremely doubtful and I'd be willing to bet a video is going to emerge where Obama is present during one of these rambling hate filled sermons) .Even if he wasn't present then how is it that he did not know about the Rev's sermons and their content ?

Then he says that he did not feel it appropriate to leave the church since the Rev married them and baptised his children. If that is the case then it is a lie for him to say he was not aware of the Rev's racist and hate America comments.

And I can't help but wonder what his white mother thinks of the "it's all whitey's fault "rhetoric ?

He then says that now that the Rev is retired he looks forward to continuing his relationship with the church. But the church's philosophy is there for all to see regardless of who the pastor is. Obama needs to let the public know if he believes in the 'black liberation theology 'and what it means to him.

I also wonder about the media coverup of this . Surely they knew about the Rev and his Church of hate . Why are they now only vetting Obama after he has all but locked up the nomination ? We were posting the screed at the churches web site weeks ago here .

Yes, Obama finally distanced himself from Wright but as I pointed out earlier MSNBC reports "The Obama campaign says they have no plans to ask the Rev. Jeremiah Wright to step down from a campaign spiritual advisory committee." Why not? If he disagrees with his comments that much, why not?

In his post on Huffpo he says:

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Because these particular statements by Rev. Wright are so contrary to my own life and beliefs, a number of people have legitimately raised questions about the nature of my relationship with Rev. Wright and my membership in the church

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Really? Those statements are so contrary to his beliefs? Rich Lowry notes this passage from Obama's book, "Dreams of My Father":

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The title of Reverend Wright’s sermon that morning was “The Audacity of Hope.” He began with a passage from the Book of Samuel—the story of Hannah, who, barren and taunted by her rivals, had wept and shaken in prayer before her God. The story reminded him, he said, of a sermon a fellow pastor had preached at a conference some years before, in which the pastor described going to a museum and being confronted by a painting title Hope.

“The painting depicts a harpist,” Reverend Wright explained, “a woman who at first glance appears to be sitting atop a great mountain. Until you take a closer look and see that the woman is bruised and bloodied, dressed in tattered rags, the harp reduced to a single frayed string. Your eye is then drawn down to the scene below, down to the valley below, where everywhere are the ravages of famine, the drumbeat of war, a world groaning under strife and deprivation.

“It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere…That’s the world! On which hope sits!”

And so it went, a meditation on a fallen world. While the boys next to me doodled on their church bulletin, Reverend Wright spoke of Sharpsville and Hiroshima, the callousness of policy makers in the White House and in the State House. As the sermon unfolded, though, the stories of strife became more prosaic, the pain more immediate. The reverend spoke of the hardship that the congregation would face tomorrow, the pain of those far from the mountaintop, worrying about paying the light bill…

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Yeah, Obama is just now learning about the garbage the man preaches.

Steve a morning update is that the Rev has stepped down from the advisory committee .

I would just remind you Tom that much of the Ugly stuff that is voiced by Obama's mentor about America is proudly and openly expressed opinion, since the mid-1980s, of a majority of the vocal members of the Democratic Party.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Steve a morning update is that the Rev has stepped down from the advisory committee .

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Yep, he did step down. I don't think all the questions have begun to be answered though. Think maybe 20 years of being under Wright's pastoral leadership is why Michelle could only recently find something to be proud of America for??

He says he is an uncle he does not always agree with
But he also claims he never heard the racist anti American stuff either.

I DID hear Obama say about a month or two ago something about if and when he beats Hillary he WILL wear the American flag pin and pledge allegiance to the flag.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Bobby, I got no love for Hagee, but would you compare Wright's nonsense to Hagee's? Oh yeah, and Wright is on Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee. Doing anything or not as the campaign says, is that what you want on your campaign? Does that not deserve scrutiny?

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As many of you know, with perhaps for the exception of excon whom also is Jewish and active on political discussions, I see Christianity from a bit different perspective. In the case of Wright, a Democratic supporter of Obama with his tangent expressed extreme views based on Black theology, or Hagee, a Republican endorser of McCain and bigamist that sees Protestants as coming out of a whore, whom he thinks is the Catholic church on it's way to hell, I understand both to be strayed religious apostates. More-so problematic, concerning humanity, they miss the overall picture. To me, there is no difference between a "Wright" claimed Christianity and "Hagee" Christianity. To be perfectly straight, Obama, Oprah, and whomever else attends the retired Wright's church should withdraw membership. Same for McCain, he should never been seen at Hagee's church. I could go on to name a few more Christian ministries with rather extreme views that have taken side with McCain, but I think I've made my point. Again no disrespect to Christians, but all these radical styled views make little sense to me in the political realm.

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

To be perfectly straight, Obama, Oprah, and whomever else attends the retired Wright's church should withdraw membership.

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The problem isn't the church; the problem is the minister. In his senior years, close to retirement, he holds back less and less of his personal philosophy. Obama says he never heard that kind of rhetoric when in attendance at that church. Had he heard such things, he says he would have challenged his pastor.

Wright will soon retire and a new pastor will take over. Things will change, and sermons will be different. As a pastor's daughter, I know that to be true.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

The problem isn't the church; the problem is the minister. In his senior years, close to retirement, he holds back less and less of his personal philosophy. Obama says he never heard that kind of rhetoric when in attendance at that church. Had he heard such things, he says he would have challenged his pastor.

Wright will soon retire and a new pastor will take over. Things will change, and sermons will be different. As a pastor's daughter, I know that to be true.

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Yes. To clarify: I should say "Wright's" church, or "Hagee's" church. I'm demonstrating similarities between their views, which I see both as extreme.

Politics in America, is about slinging mud to see what sticks, and spinning anything to your advantage. As the election gets closer, every pimple not covered by makeup, will be counted. What's new?

What exactly is it that offends so much in Wrights comments?

Good point, Skell. I wonder if Rev. Wright has ever mentioned Hurricane Katrina and what happened to the black population. He would have had a field day with that one.

Wright, an African-American, displays raw emotion, at times lacking tact, and expresses himself using extreme remarks. For example: "G-d damn America" which he implicates judgement upon the United States for misdeeds. In this case the same has been said numerous times by Caucasian doomsday charismatic styled evangelists.

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Originally Posted by Skell

What exactly is it that offends so much in Wrights comments?

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Wright, however advocates a Black Theology. A theology, that was a counter to what I'd describe as hundreds of years of White theology. This stems from a time when slavery was the norm for parts of the US, and black men begin to question what kind of Christians were white slave owners that taught all men were created equal? From this, today, the message still carries liberal implications on the political front. Quite frankly, Black Theology, is mostly misunderstood by many Caucasian nominal Christians and is seen by them, as threatening. Many other churches, mostly with African-American members, also teach Black Theology with much less consequence. Wright though, has adjoined his own opinion taking it at times to an extreme. This is why Obama has said on several occasions, contrary to Republican verbiages and in-spite of their blatant deafness, that he does not agree with the Rev Wright on several of his remarks. Senator Obama, does not solicit Wright for his campaigning advice nor does he give him that exclusive privilege. Obama came out of a family, biological father's side, of partial Muslim heritage to embrace Christianity. He is not a practitioner of Islam, nor is he a Muslim. Wright was one the few that took notice to give Obama a basic Christian understanding of the religion. Obama respected the man's passion and effort like an uncle, although he doesn't agree with some of his views. Other African-American celebrities such Oprah, attend service at Wrights church. I hope this helps.

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What exactly is it that offends so much in Wrights comments?

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He said that the government gives blacks drugs and then imprisons them for it

He said the US created the AIDS virus and gave it to the blacks

He said the attacks on 9-11 were the chickens coming home to roost

These are just the tip of the iceberg . Most of the sermons I've heard condemn white "middleclassness" in a derogatory manner; frequently mentions "white arrogance" and the "oppression" of African-Americans today; and has referred to "this racist United States of America." or the "United States of White America." If Obama agrees with these sentiments he should say so and prove he is not the uniter he pretends to be . If not he should explain why he sat in the church for 20 years "nodding his head in agreement " while the Rev Wright spewed his hate .

He said that the government gives blacks drugs and then imprisons them for it
That happens to be absolutely true, and if you check your history, specifically BushI, Ollie North And Gen. Noriega, of Panama, that's exactly what you will find, all in the name of stopping communism.
He said the attacks on 9-11 were the chickens coming home to roost
Funny how we forget the Shah of Iran, and who put Saddam in power, and how when oil was discovered in the middle east, Britain and The U.S. always had a puppet regime going for a friendly enroad to oil deals. The people there have been exploited for a long time by American, and British oil moguls, and nothing has changed. If you really look that's what this current war is all about, as BushII, was tired of Saddam cutting deals under the table with France, Russia, and China.

I know you agree with these comments . The question is does Obama ?

Why would Americans want to turn their country over to a candidate who attends a separatist church that views America with suspicion if not contempt? Look at the church's official literature: it is openly separatist, mirroring "separate but equal" almost perfectly.would America vote for a White candidate that had such views ?

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These are just the tip of the iceberg . Most of the sermons I've heard condemn white "middleclassness" in a derogatory manner; frequently mentions "white arrogance" and the "oppression" of African-Americans today; and has referred to "this racist United States of America." or the "United States of White America."

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Visit a few black churches yourself, and see that more than God gets talked about, what would you expect from former slaves, that still have to deal with a blind eye, from the former masters? Most older blacks, from that civil rights era, talk the same way.

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If Obama agrees with these sentiments he should say so and prove he is not the uniter he pretends to be . If not he should explain why he sat in the church for 20 years "nodding his head in agreement " while the Rev Wright spewed his hate .

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Typical election politics, the mans position is well known by now, and any more attempts to put him as some radical, is mudslinging to see what sticks. Rev Wright has been villified enough, and Obama has stated his case. Publicly and has maintained his position in all of this from the start. Is that Hillary sitting in the corner, with her fingers crossed??

I can't believe he is getting a pass on this ;Again ;it is useful to just reverse the words black and white. Would a white candidate who went to a white separatist church get the same pass as you are willing to give Obama . I think not .

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If Obama agrees with these sentiments he should say so and prove he is not the uniter he pretends to be . If not he should explain why he sat in the church for 20 years "nodding his head in agreement " while the Rev Wright spewed his hate .

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This is why Obama has said on several occasions, contrary to Republican verbiages and in-spite of their blatant deafness, that he does not agree with the Rev Wright on several of his remarks. Senator Obama, does not solicit Wright for his campaigning advice nor does he give him that exclusive privilege. I'm still waiting for McCain to distance himself from Hagee and some other extreme positioned evangelists that have endorsed and supports him. Think that announcement is coming anytime soon? Don't hold your breath on it.