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  • Mar 5, 2008, 01:14 PM
    Dark_crow
    “Should we get Barack another pillow?”
    Guess who made 26 trips between Damascus and Chicago from 2003 to 2006? The important question is, Why!!


    Never underestimate the Clinton War Machine. Hillary was right a few weeks ago: “Now, the fun part starts.”

    Barack Obama’s signature campaign line—”Yes, We Can!”—was delivered with a little less gusto last night.


    http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/...yes_we_can.jpg


    Hillary Clinton—in the glow of her popular vote wins in Texas, Ohio, and Rhode Island—even co-opted it for her own version: “Yes, we will!”
  • Mar 5, 2008, 01:22 PM
    tickle
    I don't know anything about US politics but I did live down there for several years and actually found it a lot more interesting then our staid Canadian politics.

    I have been following the excitement in our local papers and I must say it is really interesting.

    However, I didn't think Hillary did well in Texas but you say she had the popular vote, Dark. How do you really feel about the choice as it stands now. A black President, or a woman? Hilary has always been one of my favourites, but then I don't have to vote. Bill would love to get back in the whitehouse and would you ever have to wonder who exactly is running the country if Hillary makes it in ?

    Mind you, I am not being facetious in any way, all honest questions really.
  • Mar 5, 2008, 01:33 PM
    buckbeater
    GOBAMA! Hope this helps.
  • Mar 5, 2008, 01:46 PM
    BABRAM
    Well he could use one of the bags under Hillary's eyes. BTW fetch McCain a bedpan while your at it. :)
  • Mar 5, 2008, 02:03 PM
    Dark_crow
    Hi Tickle

    I find it all fascinating…yes and exciting too. Have you ever attended a large political rally? I attended a National Convention in San Francisco years back, talk about excitement; it seemed the air itself was electrified.

    I don't see it as a gender or race issue nor do I pretend to know enough about it all to make an educated guess as to which would make the best president…as BABRAM points out, age may be a factor in McCain because it's possible he couldn't get through a term.

    Consequently I don't have a Dog in this race but that don't stop me from having fun with it all.
  • Mar 5, 2008, 02:17 PM
    Dark_crow
    http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/...ton_split2.jpg

    Why Not Just Split the Difference?
  • Mar 5, 2008, 04:01 PM
    BABRAM
    Kinda of hard to separate these two...


    http://www.basehead.org/files/shots/...n_bush_hug.jpg
  • Mar 5, 2008, 04:04 PM
    tickle
    Thanks guys, for the input, I enjoyed it all, now will stop asking questions and just read my paper every morning ! :) ROFL
  • Mar 5, 2008, 05:56 PM
    tomder55
    Well the answer to your Damascus question is Tony Rezko. But of course we can't talk about him since Obama gave his obligatory 8 answers to the national press about Rezko so he is as they say "old news". Why should we even wonder what the quid pro quo was when he purchased a mansion he could not possibly have afforded without Rezko's manipulations ? Why should we wonder if that quid pro quo just might involve favorable relations with Syria and former Baathists ;both of whom Rezko is known to have frequent dealings with ?

    It is clear that Rezko did not have the cash to make the real estate move until 3 weeks before the transaction. But before Obama and Rita Rezko, closed on their real estate deals ,Iraqi billionaire businessman Nadhmi Auchi( implicated in the oil-for-food scandal and also has been convicted of fraud in France), "lent" $3.5 million to Tony Rezko. All this will come out if the press puts down their Obama pom poms long enough to notice.

    On a related note ,Zbig Brzezinski is Obama's lead foreign policy adviser (flashback nightmares of the Carter years alert... On February 2, 1979, Brzezinski wrote a memo to Carter claiming that Islamic fundamentalism was not an imminent threat and would not gain prominence in the Middle East.).He took a junket to Damascus last month , as have a slew of other Democrats in recent years to advise the dictator Assad to bide his time because Obama plans on reversing the Bush policy of not negotiating with the terror sponsor, architect of political assassinations in Lebanon ,and puppet of the Mahdi-Hatter of Iran.Syria has exported terrorism to almost all its neighbors – to Israel, Lebanon, Iraq, and Turkey. So far only Turkey has managed to put an end to it once for all, and did so by threatening to invade.

    Obama realizing that this move by Zbig could be political dynamite tried to distance himself from the Brzezinski's excellent adventure. Obama Adviser Leads Delegation to Damascus - February 12, 2008 - The New York Sun
  • Mar 5, 2008, 06:11 PM
    terellowens
    So because he went to damascus 23 times in 3 yearsd he is a muslim lol or some inside man trying to destroy the USA

    Statements like that just make me laugh and people believe them! Only in America would such BS come up from another candidate and the public sit there believing every word she spouts
    I don't want hilary to win but for video game reasons :P she wants to ban GTA haha and cause I'm only 17 and all politics is bs anyway they claim to help the world but seem to make it worse!


    But hey what do I know I'm some 17 yr old who couldn't care if someone had gone to a muslim skl for 3 years it doesn't make them a terrorist or muslim extremist! Get real people!
  • Mar 5, 2008, 06:30 PM
    tomder55
    Yeah you probably should take a break from GTA long enough to get some reading comprehension lessons
  • Mar 5, 2008, 06:38 PM
    terellowens
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55
    yeah you probably should take a break from GTA long enough to get some reading comprehension lessons


    Already got my A for English thanks :)

    The internet is for typing how you want after all if you don't understand what I wrote (sorry)
  • Mar 5, 2008, 07:34 PM
    BABRAM
    T.O.-

    The Republicans are worried about the possibility of having to face Obama in the general election. Silly stories of Obama being corrupt, money deliberately being associated with him trafficking deals vai Rezko for his house, or being a Muslim, is just campaign normalcy here in the States. Obama's not the perfect politician nor will he go unscathed, but the fact is Rush Limbaugh, a rather extra wide loose-lipped radio personality for the Republican party, was asking Republicans to vote for Hillary in Texas. Rush, whom I don't see eye to eye with on several issues, knows the score.
  • Mar 6, 2008, 03:14 AM
    tomder55
    Love the irony... Hillary won because of a vast right wing conspiracy.

    Bobby .Do you think a link of Obama to persons involved in the UN Oil for Food rip off and another connection to a person involved in the corruption of the Iraqi Ministry of Electricity under the CPA as "silly stories " unworthy of scrutiny ?
  • Mar 6, 2008, 04:42 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55
    love the irony .......Hillary won because of a vast right wing conspiracy.

    Bobby .Do you think a link of Obama to persons involved in the UN Oil for Food rip off and another connection to a person involved in the corruption of the Iraqi Ministry of Electricity under the CPA as "silly stories " unworthy of scrutiny ?

    Hillary didn't win because of a right wing conspiracy. In fact Obama got more Republican support than she did. The information I provided yesterday was factual concerning Rush Limbaugh as opposed to the innuendo you're hoping sticks. Obama hasn't been found guilty of any illegal activity or criminal acts. Listen are the Republicans really going to run a "drag Obama behind the truck" campaign? Maybe there should be more falsehoods circulated claiming Barack to be a Muslim, or maybe take a page out Hillary's playbook and use computer graphics to darken his skin a little more in the ads. Watch as Obama starts hitting back against Hillary, and remember that she asked for it. You know if we could just scrutinize the candidates on the issues, that would be enough.
  • Mar 6, 2008, 04:51 PM
    tomder55
    That is correct ;he hasn't even been charged. Neither was McCain when the NY Times published rumors about an affair with a lobbiest . He took all the questions and did not bow out of the press conference after 8 questions.

    Nor was Rudy charged with anything. But he has repeatedly had to answer questions about his association with Bernard Kerek . Why is Obama held to a different standard of scrutiny ? Doesn't these associations raise doubts or at least questions in your mind ?
  • Mar 6, 2008, 05:10 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55
    that is correct ;he hasn't even been charged. Neither was McCain when the NY Times published rumors about an affair with a lobbiest . He took all the questions and did not bow out of the press conference after 8 questions.

    Nor was Rudy charged with anything. But he has repeatedly had to answer questions about his association with Bernard Kerek . Why is Obama held to a different standard of scrutiny ? Doesn't these associations raise doubts or at least questions in your mind ?


    But what does the NY Times have to do with Barack? The New York Times is running a horrible rag. I can't say enough bad things about that paper. I have discontent with John McCain over issues. Actually it was useless information even if it were to be true. I have things to scrutinize Obama concerning, but more-so with Clinton and McCain.
  • Mar 6, 2008, 05:17 PM
    cal823
    Pretty good point, except I personally believe that politics does change the world, just painstakingly and annoyingly slowly.
    I would like to see obama win, I reckon he can make some good positive changes, (im an aussie so I can't vote for him though lolz)
    What astounds me is how weird and complicated the american democracy system is, over here we just have some advertising campaigns, maybe a few debates, then we vote for someone.
  • Mar 6, 2008, 06:52 PM
    Skell
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55
    that is correct ;he hasn't even been charged. Neither was McCain when the NY Times published rumors about an affair with a lobbiest . He took all the questions and did not bow out of the press conference after 8 questions.

    Nor was Rudy charged with anything. But he has repeatedly had to answer questions about his association with Bernard Kerek . Why is Obama held to a different standard of scrutiny ? Doesn't these associations raise doubts or at least questions in your mind ?

    Sounds like your blaming Obama for the actions of a newspaper. As Bobby said how is this his fault?

    Rather than death riding someone and hoping they fail it may be nice for you to acutally hope they succeed to do good.
  • Mar 7, 2008, 03:10 AM
    tomder55
    No I am not blaming Obama except for creating this hypocritical illusion that he is above the fray. Finally Evita and the national press is beginning to scrutinize this guy . Turns out he isn't much different than the rest of them after all.
  • Mar 7, 2008, 04:06 AM
    Clough
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dark_crow

    Now, that was funny! LOL!
  • Mar 7, 2008, 04:20 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55
    no I am not blaming Obama except for creating this hypocritical illusion that he is above the fray. Finally Evita and the national press is beginning to scrutinize this guy . Turns out he aint much different than the rest of them after all.

    Obama didn't create anything of the sort. Perhaps you're acting out of anger because you're not finding enough dirt. BTW the Clinton's scrutinizing anybody will come back at three fold. Is this the kind of campaign the Republicans want or need to run? The candidate that you call "Evita" in a demeaning nature, you turnaround and emulate. You're taking a page out the Clinton's book! Turns out there's no difference between a Clinton ran campaign of smear tactics and delusional propaganda from the McCain/Bush base.
  • Mar 7, 2008, 04:46 PM
    Dark_crow
    You are right…Obama hasn't created anything. But he certainly appears to have lost his way.

    I believe that the forces of Islamic International Terrorism are, at present, the greatest single threat to our liberties and that the United States should stress victory over, rather than coexistence with, this menace. His position is that he clearly believes it better to coexist. At the same time he is clearly against Fair Trade

    It is timely again to recall Reagan's monumental speech, "A Time for Choosing," and choose to fight.

    At the same time we must remember William F. Buckley, Jr.'s truism…that when government interferes with the work of the market economy, it tends to reduce the moral and physical strength of the nation; that when it takes from one man to bestow on another, it diminishes the incentive of the first, the integrity of the second, and the moral autonomy of both
  • Mar 7, 2008, 05:37 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    You are right…Obama hasn't created anything. But he certainly appears to have lost his way.

    I believe that the forces of Islamic International Terrorism are, at present, the greatest single threat to our liberties and that the United States should stress victory over, rather than coexistence with, this menace. His position is that he clearly believes it better to coexist. At the same time he is clearly against Fair Trade

    At the same time we must remember William F. Buckley, Jr.'s truism…that when government interferes with the work of the market economy, it tends to reduce the moral and physical strength of the nation; that when it takes from one man to bestow on another, it diminishes the incentive of the first, the integrity of the second, and the moral autonomy of both

    Lost his way to where? Bankruptcy, foreclosures, low cost of living wages, inflation, recession, born and bred gang violence, US racists, drug cartels, etc..? And NO thank you to Dubya for spending 9 billion a month in Iraq. Meanwhile one pipsqueak idiot showed the world the other day just how easy it is to detonate a bomb in Times Square. LOL! You think that the Bush Admin has made you terrorist secure? HA HA HA! Wake-Up! If McCain gets in office with his attitude he might just start up the draft. How about that young people! Get ready! In fact McCain may have no choice with his "long as it takes 100 year" nightmare plan. Bush took heat for sending the same troops over and over and McCain knows that.



    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    It is timely again to recall Reagan's monumental speech, "A Time for Choosing," and choose to fight.

    It's time to put this into correct context. These quotes are former President Ronald Reagan's son "Ron Reagan."

    In an April 2003 interview, Reagan said, "The Bush people have no right to speak for my father, particularly because of the position he's in now. Yes, some of the current policies are an extension of the '80s. But the overall thrust of this administration is not my father's – these people are overly reaching, overly aggressive, overly secretive, and just plain corrupt. I don't trust these people."

    He also strongly opposed the Bush administration's decision to invade Iraq. "9/11 gave the Bush people carte blanche to carry out their extreme agenda – and they didn't hesitate for a moment to use it," Reagan said. "By 9/12 Rumsfeld was saying, 'Let's hit Iraq.' They've used the war on terror to justify everything from tax cuts to Alaska oil drilling."



    PS. Thank you to men of MLK Jr.'s ilk (G-d bless him) who gave their life for the advancement of equality of all man. It's just about Shabbos, I got to go.
  • Mar 8, 2008, 03:30 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Obama didn't create anything of the sort. Perhaps you're acting out of anger because you're not finding enough dirt. BTW the Clinton's scrutinizing anybody will come back at three fold. Is this the kind of campaign the Republicans want or need to run?
    Bobby ;he is still trying to foster that illusion. Mud slinging as you call it I call vetting . There are legitimate questions about this unknown candidate that needs to be answered . If he chooses not to answer them then it is legit for others to fill in the blank slate .

    Quote:

    The candidate that you call "Evita" in a demeaning nature, you turnaround and emulate.
    Emulate ? Nah... look at my last posting about Evita. I intend to hammer her just as hard . We have about 6 weeks before Penn. Primary . In that time I'm sure many charges will be made by the two candidates at each other... providing enough for McCain to use in the fall campaign while he stays above the fray lol .

    You talk dirt . I remind you that it was the Clintoids that pulled the race card out of the hat in South Carolina and even earlier the Muslim card. I'm questioning legit issues about judgement ,integrity ,and policy . Don't accuse me of rolling in the mud. These are all legitimate questions that a serious contender for the Presidency should have no problem with answering .
  • Mar 8, 2008, 04:49 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BABRAM
    Obama didn't create anything of the sort. Perhaps you're acting out of anger because you're not finding enough dirt. BTW the Clinton's scrutinizing anybody will come back at three fold. Is this the kind of campaign the Republicans want or need to run? The candidate that you call "Evita" in a demeaning nature, you turnaround and emulate. You're taking a page out the Clinton's book! Turns out there's no difference between a Clinton ran campaign of smear tactics and delusional propaganda from the McCain/Bush base.

    Beautifully said BABRAM. Bravo.
  • Mar 8, 2008, 11:40 AM
    Dark_crow
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BABRAM
    Lost his way to where? Bankruptcy, foreclosures, low cost of living wages, inflation, recession, born and bred gang violence, US racists, drug cartels, etc...?! And NO thank you to Dubya for spending 9 billion a month in Iraq. Meanwhile one pipsqueak idiot showed the world the other day just how easy it is to detonate a bomb in Times Square. LOL! You think that the Bush Admin has made you terrorist secure?! HA HA HA! Wake-Up! If McCain gets in office with his attitude he might just start up the draft. How about that young people! Get ready! In fact McCain may have no choice with his "long as it takes 100 year" nightmare plan. Bush took heat for sending the same troops over and over and McCain knows that.





    It's time to put this into correct context. These quotes are former President Ronald Reagan's son "Ron Reagan."

    In an April 2003 interview, Reagan said, "The Bush people have no right to speak for my father, particularly because of the position he's in now. Yes, some of the current policies are an extension of the '80s. But the overall thrust of this administration is not my father's – these people are overly reaching, overly aggressive, overly secretive, and just plain corrupt. I don't trust these people."

    He also strongly opposed the Bush administration's decision to invade Iraq. "9/11 gave the Bush people carte blanche to carry out their extreme agenda – and they didn't hesitate for a moment to use it," Reagan said. "By 9/12 Rumsfeld was saying, 'Let's hit Iraq.' They've used the war on terror to justify everything from tax cuts to Alaska oil drilling."



    PS. Thank you to men of MLK Jr.'s ilk (G-d bless him) who gave their life for the advancement of equality of all man. It's just about Shabbos, I gotta go.

    Is that card-house built on straw-men supposed to be a rebuttal of what I said about Obama; his position on protectionism and co-existence with Terrorist.

    Maybe that is your position too, but if it is I would think you were prepared to defend it logically rather than attack Bush and the current economy…something that I have not defended.
  • Mar 8, 2008, 07:18 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    Is that card-house built on straw-men supposed to be a rebuttal of what I said about Obama; his position on protectionism and co-existence with Terrorist.

    I know that providing factual substance only confuses you.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    Maybe that is your position too, but if it is I would think you were prepared to defend it logically rather than attack Bush and the current economy…something that I have not defended.


    One post you display paranoia and falsehoods cloaked in nonsensical gibberish, and the next you act like Bush wasn't your president for the last seven and half years. Get back to me after you sober up.
  • Mar 8, 2008, 07:22 PM
    N0help4u
    2 Attachment(s)
    From:
    Amhd

    T0:
    Obama
  • Mar 8, 2008, 07:36 PM
    BABRAM
    Saph- If John McCain's elected we can send that draft image on a postcard instructing the male youth to report to boot camp.
  • Mar 8, 2008, 08:08 PM
    N0help4u
    I HATE to see what each one of them will have to offer
    AND even worse what the elected one ACTUALLY DOES offer - whether it be he or she/black or white! NONE ARE RIGHT!
  • Mar 8, 2008, 08:32 PM
    BABRAM
    I can optimistically say I don't want more of GW Bush and that's a forgone conclusion considering John McCain. As you know form our previous dialogues I personally like Ron Paul, but of three candidates left with a legitimate opportunity for presidency, I'll support Barack Obama.
  • Mar 8, 2008, 08:37 PM
    N0help4u
    Ron Paul dropped out yesterday morning
  • Mar 9, 2008, 03:25 AM
    tomder55
    Good riddence to bad rubbish . For those enamored with Ron Paul they should look at his recent vote on House Resolution 951 condemning the rocket assault from Gaza on Israel. 401 members voted "aye," 19 did not vote ,4 voted "present," and only Paul voted "nay."
    That should make his white sheet supporters happy at least.
  • Mar 9, 2008, 04:03 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by N0help4u
    From:
    Amhd

    T0:
    Obama

    Please, don't ever speak for all of AMHD.
    Thank you.
  • Mar 9, 2008, 05:31 AM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55
    For those enamored with Ron Paul they should look at his recent vote on House Resolution 951 condemning the rocket assault from Gaza on Israel.

    Tom-

    Good point! And I agree. That's why Ron Paul has taken hard criticism (and deserves so) from Jewish communities and organizations. However I do think that's just his weird approach to claim that the US shouldn't be as involved in the Mid East, or anywhere else for that matter. Of course, as a Zionist, it's one of the issues I disagree with him. To me Ron Paul comes off more a Libertarian, than Republican. But generally speaking he is correct, more than wrong on the economic front with the economy usually being the number one issue for those voting.



    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    Please, don't ever speak for all of AMHD.
    Thank you.

    NK-

    I found that odd as well. I'm glad that was addressed.
  • Mar 9, 2008, 05:42 AM
    NeedKarma
    Bam,
    That first quote isn't from me.
  • Mar 9, 2008, 12:52 PM
    N0help4u
    I liked the pillow :(

    I figured IF I wouldn't mind havin' one myself then...
  • Mar 9, 2008, 02:51 PM
    BABRAM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    Bam,
    That first quote isn't from me.

    You mean I gave you extra credit for someone else's work? Yes. I meant my friend Tom.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by N0help4u
    I liked the pillow

    I figured IF I wouldn't mind havin' one myself then......

    I think it would be just the perfect pillow to lounge on while eating popcorn and watching "Pirates of the Caribbean."

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