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  • Feb 13, 2008, 08:50 AM
    tomder55
    So what has Obama done ?
    A new bill that is co-sponsored by Barak Obama and Democrat Senators Maria Cantwell, Dianne Feinstein, Richard Lugar, Richard Durbin, Chuck Hagel and Robert Menendez will increase foreign aid by the United States to a level that the UN dictates . Sugar coating it with a name no one could object to ;"Global Poverty Act,"(S.2433) , it essentially brings United States aid to levels that the UN has dictated in it's "Millennium Project "goals.(0.7% of GNP)

    Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the U.N.'s "Millennium Project," says that the U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP in increased foreign aid spending would add $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already spends. Over a 13-year period, this amounts to $845 billion.

    Does the US taxpayer gets the right to deduct from the contribution the cost of maintaining the global peace, maintaining and operating the GPS system and enforcing the UN armistice on the Korean Peninsula among others? I am sure the answer is, "no".

    Obama has made his position clear . The candidate who will not wear an American flag on his lapel but allows his offices in Texas to fly banners of Che Guevara is taking his revolution global.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 08:56 AM
    NeedKarma
    You're an angry guy. :)
  • Feb 13, 2008, 10:42 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    You're an angry guy. :)

    Me, too. It pi**es me off when liberal politicians whine about our interference in the affairs of sovereign nations - then try to give our sovereignty away.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 11:01 AM
    NeedKarma
    Two angry guys at all things liberal posting repeatedly their hatred on threads viewed usually by their four others friends. Good luck with that, sounds productive.

    P.S. your own government of conservatives is pissing away your sovereignty, privacy and freedoms
  • Feb 13, 2008, 11:22 AM
    Dark_crow
    Lord knows there are certainly millions of people who need help and are dying of starvation and disease. In my mind that is a plus for Obama.

    I don’t wear a flag either and would hate to think I would be judged harshly for that, and so far as not suppressing the free speech of his volunteers, that too I consider a plus.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 11:26 AM
    talaniman
    I think George has done far worse with our freedoms, liberties, and money, and has a lot less to show for it. Yeah I'm po'd too!
  • Feb 13, 2008, 11:29 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    Good luck with that, sounds productive.

    Speaking of productive, I did the research - as a public service to help others make an educated decision of course :D

    In the 109th Congress, 3 out of 66 public bills sponsored by Obama passed:

    S.RES.291 : A resolution to congratulate the Chicago White Sox on winning the 2005 World Series Championship.

    S.RES.516 : A resolution recognizing the historical significance of Juneteenth Independence Day and expressing the sense of the Senate that history should be regarded as a means for understanding the past and solving the challenges of the future.

    S.RES.529 : A resolution designating July 13, 2006, as "National Summer Learning Day".

    In the 110th Congress, 2 out of 63 public bills sponsored by Obama passed:

    S.RES.133 : A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.

    S.RES.268 : A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as "National Summer Learning Day".

    If folks don't believe me they can look it up for themselves in the official record. Just select the 109th or 100th congress, highlight Obama and click "search."

    Granted, he did co-sponsor a number of bills and amendments - everything from honoring Martin Luther King, Jr, the African-American spiritual and Greek Independence Day to the failed "joint resolution to revise United States policy on Iraq."

    However, the above is the grand total of successful Obama sponsored public bills thus far in his Senatorial career, and nearly all of his successful co-sponsored legislation is symbolic. I'm especially proud of his co-sponsoring legislation "honoring Vice President Albert Gore, Jr., and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change."

    Oh, and NK, you keep viewing our posts so I guess that makes 5 :D
  • Feb 13, 2008, 11:31 AM
    Dark_crow
    There is something to show for it…we have had not had another 9/11's and Al Qaeda has lost favor in the eyes of many Muslims.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 11:39 AM
    tomder55
    DC you as well as I are more than free to donate any spare change we have left to any of many worthy causes. I do not think that our government should be giving up basic sovereignty to the UN ;to set policy on our foreign aid or to determine what precent of our GDP is an appropriate donation. As mentioned we do not bill the UN for services already rendered . Nor does their calculations take into account private donations from individual Americans .
  • Feb 13, 2008, 11:42 AM
    Dark_crow
    Actually it was Obama's plan to keep a low profile in Congress. In the current 110th Congress, he has sponsored legislation on lobbying and electoral fraud, climate change, nuclear terrorism, and care for returned U.S. military personnel.

    As a state legislator, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws. Obama also led the passage of legislation mandating videotaping of homicide interrogations, and a law to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they stopped

    Obama took an active role in the Senate's drive for improved border security and immigration reform. In 2005, he co-sponsored the "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act" introduced by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ).


    There is more, but…
  • Feb 13, 2008, 11:44 AM
    tomder55
    Steve ; I'd say that was a pretty ambitious docket given all the campaigning he has done since he became a Senator.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 11:47 AM
    Dark_crow
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55
    DC you as well as I are more than free to donate any spare change we have left to any of many worthy causes. I do not think that our government should be giving up basic sovereignty to the UN ;to set policy on our foreign aid or to determine what precent of our GDP is an appropriate donation. As mentioned we do not bill the UN for services already rendered . Nor does their calculations take into account private donations from individual Americans .

    I agree with all you say here Tom... but what I do wonder is if we are in fact giving up basic sovereignty to the UN ;to set policy on our foreign aid or to determine what precent of our GDP is an appropriate donation. What I base that on is the fact we often disregard their wishes... Iraq is one example.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 11:54 AM
    tomder55
    Gee I thought we were complying with UN wishes in enforcing the number of resolutions they passed in over a decade regarding Iraq. They certainly did not complain when US and British Airmen risked their lives enforcing no-fly zones . They certainly don't mind the US fleet ensuring safe passage through the world's sea lanes.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 12:08 PM
    Dark_crow
    Tom
    We do contribute 22% or more of their budget and the only other country anywhere near is Japan with 19%. Between the two, we rule. We are outvoted some of the time but it seems to me we pretty much only do what we want to do. I just don't see them forcing us to do anything we don't want to do.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 12:10 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    There is more, but…

    No doubt, I already granted that much and he has been a busy guy. I just posted what he has been successful with so far and I think we need a president that did more than "keep a low profile in Congress" for three years. I actually like Obama, I just don't like the thought of his being president. But then again, I don't really like any of our choices that much.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 12:19 PM
    tomder55
    Bringing the issue back to Obama ; I saw this in American Thinker and I believe it to be generally correct.

    Quote:

    Obama will be packaged as the Global Candidate to whom the world's poor and oppressed look for signs of hope for the future. His mixed race and varied national backgrounds symbolize his connectivity with peoples across the planet. The adulation felt for him beyond America offers the U.S. a chance for enhanced strength and repaired credibility worldwide. Sure, he's an American citizen, but he's also a global citizen, a man of the world.


    The MSM will assert that the next president must not just lead the nation and the Western World, but he also must heal the international wounds caused by the Bush administration so that he can lead the world community to address serious global issues. As the MSM projects Obama as the Global President, they'll place before us, in print and on screen, individual people-of-color in Second and Third World countries endorsing him.

    The MSM will tell us we need to more seriously consider who the international community wants in our Oval Office. That appeal will score with Americans who hunger to be told we're loved by others. Obama's speeches have already laid the foundation for the MSM's Global Candidate template. He tells his audiences that their support of him will not only change the nation, but change the world.


    The collateral wing of the storyline will predict the world's profound disappointment if Obama loses in November. Americans will feel guilty if the world awakes the morning after the second Tuesday in November to a President McCain. And, we'll be told, the world will feel more frightened and distrustful of us than it already is. The MSM made a similar, but weaker, appeal in 2004 for John Kerry, particularly in reference to European countries. But Kerry was never close to the international rock star status that Obama has already attained.


    Meanwhile, the MSM will make no effort to peel away the veneer of conceptual vapidity surrounding Obama's seductive oratory. They will not push him for clarity or details. Instead, they will be his campaign's de facto PR firm. Rather than probe his intentions, they'll focus on his emotional appeal made via ethereal notions of hope, compassion, love... (cue the inspirational muzak).


    In short, the MSM will not require that Obama bring his intentions down from 60,000 feet to runway level. And, when people enter the polling booth to vote, with regard to Obama it won't be so much "What you see is what you get" as "We're not sure what we saw, or what we'll get, but it sure made us feel good." Sadly, for some, that will be enough.
    American Thinker: Obama, The Global Candidate
  • Feb 13, 2008, 12:21 PM
    Dark_crow
    …but don’t like him relative to whom? What are the options? What are the actual differences between him and Mc Cain other than age and personality?
  • Feb 13, 2008, 01:01 PM
    Choux
    I saw Obama wearing an American flag in his lapel within the last month during a debate or television appearance.

    I fell confident that the Che Guevara flag flying was a lie, too.

    I'm reporting you to management for lying.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 01:05 PM
    NeedKarma
    Nah Choux, it happened, It was a small volunteer office. Nothing to fret about.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 01:16 PM
    Choux
    OH, thanks, NK, I can't swear he had a flag in his lapel, I just assumed it was a flag.

    I can't even drop in occasionally on the political discussions... :)
  • Feb 13, 2008, 01:39 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    Nah Choux, it happened, It was a small volunteer office. Nothing to fret about.

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...heHouston2.jpg

    Quote:

    "A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate." Che Guevara.

    "If the nuclear missiles had remained we would have used them against the very heart of America, including New York City." Che Guevara.

    "We will march the path of victory even if it costs millions of atomic victims... We must keep our hatred alive and fan it to paroxysm." Che Guevara.

    "Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood. With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl! Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective and cold blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become…” Che Guevara.

    "(T)o execute a man we don't need proof of his guilt. We only need proof that it's necessary to execute him. It's that simple." Che Guevara.
    Fidel's executioner glorified in a campaign office is nothing to fret about?
  • Feb 13, 2008, 01:43 PM
    NeedKarma
    You are to laugh at. LOL!
    Your tactics are juvenile.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 01:47 PM
    Fr_Chuck
    Yes, the news article on him and the cuban flag came out on Monday from my understanding, perosnally I would not put it past another democratic canidate from leaking it.

    But it was all over talk radio and some of the political news coverage.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 01:54 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    …but don’t like him relative to whom? What are the options? What are the actual differences between him and Mc Cain other than age and personality?

    The choice seems to be between a guy with an increasingly less conservative, but 82.3 percent lifetime ACU rating, a guy with an 8.0 percent lifetime ACU rating and Hillary, with a 9.0 percent lifetime ACU rating. As a conservative it seems like a no-brainer even if I'm not all that happy with the choice.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 02:07 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    You are to laugh at. LOL!
    Your tactics are juvenile.

    Facts sure beat "more lies" or "you're an angry guy." :D
  • Feb 13, 2008, 03:09 PM
    NeedKarma
    Ok, let's play your little game. I'll assume those quotes are indeed from Che. It begs the question: so what?
  • Feb 13, 2008, 03:35 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    Ok, let's play your little game. I'll assume those quotes are indeed from Che. It begs the question: so what?

    NK, what amazes me is you think it's a game. When I see Americans running around wearing Che T-shirts and images of Che in a campaign office of a presidential candidate I wonder why anyone would glorify this murderous thug.

    The Cult of Che

    Fidel's Executioner
  • Feb 13, 2008, 04:08 PM
    NeedKarma
    Who's choice was it to hang the flag?
    What values of Che does that person espouse (and would you know this answer)?
  • Feb 13, 2008, 04:18 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    Who's choice was it to hang the flag?
    What values of Che does that person espouse (and would you know this answer)?

    I have already noted Obama had nothing to do with this, but National Review asks the question this way, "What does it say that among these Obama volunteers, none of them thought to say, "hey, fellas, you know, this guy ran show trials and executions... Is this really the image of 'change' we want to project to the electorate?"

    If Obama chooses to open an official office there I bet he redecorates, but his response was rather mild wouldn't you say?

    Quote:

    "The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign."
    As for "what values of Che does that person espouse," which one should they espouse?
  • Feb 13, 2008, 04:20 PM
    NeedKarma
    It seems it was a lady in the picture. Since this is near your location have you tracked the person down and asked them directly their motivation behind hanging the flag?
  • Feb 13, 2008, 04:20 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55
    Bringing the issue back to Obama ; I saw this in American Thinker and I believe it to be generally correct.

    Did you catch this by Chris Matthews?

    Quote:

    I have to tell you, you know, it's part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama's speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often.
    LOL!
  • Feb 13, 2008, 04:22 PM
    talaniman
    I doubt Obama knew of the flag, and since he seems to be gaining momentum so fast, it's a wonder someone didn't start slinging mud earlier. Its an attempt to derail his progress, in my opinion. Lets face it we haven't seen this much enthusiasm with a presidential candidate since Reagon. The fact new voters are signing up is impressive, and will be a real problem for John McCain, if Hillary doesn't win big in TEXAS. I do mean big.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 04:29 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman
    since he seems to be gaining momentum so fast, its a wonder someone didn't start slinging mud earlier

    Never fear, our 'friends' in the Politics forum always have that covered. :D
  • Feb 13, 2008, 05:10 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    Never fear, our 'friends' in the Politics forum always have that covered. :D

    I acknowledged Obama wasn't responsible for the flag. I acknowledged he's done more than the 5 successful bills he's passed and said I like the guy. Where's the mud?
  • Feb 14, 2008, 03:25 AM
    tomder55
    Slinging mud ? No I have to take a back seat to Clinton henchman Bob Kerry who raised the spectre of Obama's Muslim backround... or the Clintoon hacks who suggested that Obama was dealing drugs
  • Feb 14, 2008, 04:09 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55
    slinging mud ? no I have to take a back seat to Clinton henchman Bob Kerry who raised the spectre of Obama's Muslim backround....or the the Clintoon hacks who suggested that Obama was dealing drugs

    Do they post on this website? :rolleyes:
  • Feb 14, 2008, 04:30 AM
    tomder55
    No ; they take it national .
  • Feb 14, 2008, 04:44 AM
    NeedKarma
    I was referring to this website. I can't believe you couldn't figure that out.:(
  • Feb 14, 2008, 07:06 PM
    Galveston1
    Obama does read a teleprompter well!
    It may be that those who do not live in this country take all this lightly, but to those of us who will have to put up with whoever gets elected, it is a very serious matter.
  • Feb 14, 2008, 08:13 PM
    biggsie
    I think it is AMAZING that Barak Obama -- has done as well as he has against The Clinton's

    And Mc Cain is not someone I could vote for -- hard to decide which one deserves my vote

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