Is it currently taught or implied that it is in sex education? Should it be?
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Is it currently taught or implied that it is in sex education? Should it be?
Fellatio is a form of birth control, not abstinence. :D
I don't think it is taught as abstinence considering the outrage the right wing moral police had over Bill Clinton's acts with Monica Lewinsky.
It is interesting to note that the statistics are out (as of a month or so ago) concerning the results of teaching abstinence to teenagers and any effect on their pregnancy rate. You guessed it, no effect. Teaching abstinence does not lower the rate of teen age pregnancies.
Hi Choux, but wasn't Clinton acquitted of the charge of having sex by the general public, leaving me to believe that the general public does not consider Fellatio an act of sex?
Let a 30 year old do it with a 14 year old and find out how fast they are convicted of sex with a minor
And to be honest it really does not matter what the general public think, they are often wrong, Ask any wife if she would think that is sex if her husband was doing it with another women?
No Clinton was not forgiven, just no one really cared what he did and more thought he was just stupid for lying about it to start with.
Acquitted? No. The public knew Clinton was a bone-headed, womanizing lier. The mainstream press always provided cover for their boy, saying it was 'private' and 'let Hillary handle this', and blah, blah, blah. The American public is not as cynical as you may think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark_crow
You asked: "Is fellatio a form of abstinence?" You have that smiley face by your question, I've noticed.
Last night in an interview Hillary Clinton said: "I never doubted Bill's love for me, ever, and I never doubted my faith and my commitment to our daughter and our extended family.
(EDIT: It appears that she does not associate Fellatio with love.)
Clinton also said she was asked by other women "all the time" about what to do with unfaithful husbands.
"'I don't know your reality. I cannot possibly substitute my judgment for yours, but what I can tell you is you must be true to yourself, you have to do what is right for you.'"
Despite what anyone says Clinton left office with approval ratings of around 65 percent, not shabby.
I think to many it was funny to watch it. Heck maybe Bush should have an affair or two and raise his rating.
Now you want abstinence, imagine Bill and Hillary in the Oval office doing it, sort of enough to cause abstinence.
The numbers can speak for themselves; however, no one, not even Hillary trusts him; and he did not have enough support to elect Al Gore, thankfully.
:p Falling out of my chairQuote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
It is not an impeachable offense to have fellatio with a "girlfriend", that I know of, Crow. Why, some previous Presidents had mistresses and "professional" women in the White House and engaged in all kinds of sex acts we will never know about!
I don't think that a majority of Americans want to know about the sex life of a president, but they do think fellatio is an act of sex. The specific case of Clinton... well, I think it was a case of most Americans being turned off by the religious right and their sanctimony and hypocrisy. Why, we have had closeted homosexual Republican Congress Members... none were attacked by the religious right... and, Foley of Florida wrote sex notes to **underage pages**!
After viewing the findings of a study performed at North Carolina State University this is what another Dr. had to say.
"I think it removes the last shade of doubt that fellatio is actually a healthy act," said Dr. A.J. Kramer of Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, who was not involved in the research. "I am surprised by these findings,-…”
But Choux, given that ‘teen birth rate’ seems to be the issue behind sex education as opposed to the morality aspect doesn’t encouraging Fellatio sound like a plausible suggestion for cutting down all those births and abortions?
My God my cheeks hurt!! Where is my heart medicine!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
Based on the culture of Washington I would say that it should not be taught in sex education classes because it really isn't sex . That at least is the prevailing opinion post-Clintoon. Evidently you can perform the act and remain "technically a virgin" .USATODAY.com - 'Technical virginity' becomes part of teens' equation
But I am not willing to blame him solely for that attitude ;just for making it mainstream thought. Indeed he is the most famous of the pols who have made the hair-spltting distinction ,but he is hardly alone.
Chuck Robb ,that wild and crazy Guv from Va. Made a public statement that he had "done anything that I regard as unfaithful to my wife" when he was caught. According to Wikipedia In 1991, Robb admitted to being with former Miss Virginia USA Tai Collins alone in a hotel room ;but he denied having an affair with her while admitting to sharing a bottle of champagne and receiving a nude massage.
Nancy Reagan had a reputation in Hollywood of being a practitioner before she and Reagan wed .
Newt Gingrich's former mistress Anne Manning claimed that he preferred oral sex because he could make the truthful claim that he had never slept with her .
Former DC Mayor Marion Barry got a bj in a prison visiting room (while the room was full of other prisoners , visitors,and a guard ) while he was serving time for crack possession.
Lest we forget ; another Presidency was actually brought down by "Deep Throat".
Hello DC:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark_crow
Don't screw your boyfriend, just blow him. Huh?? You think THAT'S what's being taught??
Are you out of your mind?? You really are dingy. That goes for the rest of you sexually repressed people out there too!
excon
Hay Excon, I uesta have an Aunt Ninny that couldn’t tell a question from an answer too but she finally drove off a cliff.:D
Hello again, DC:
It's true. I can't tell what you're saying most of the time. You're just waaay too smart for me.
excon
Hay excon, that's a polite way of calling me a smarta*s:p
Ex, actually what's being taught by Planned Parenthood is basically if it's abstinence to you then it's abstinence.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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No matter how you personally define losing your virginity, you still have to think about protecting yourself from sexually transmitted infections (STIs).
Quote:From "Foreplay 411: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Not Doing It"Quote:
Different people define virginity in different ways... No matter how teens define virginity, it's important to remember that having sex — or any kind of sex play — is a big decision that deserves a lot of thought.
Yes, that's what's being taught. It isn't "sex," it's "sex play."Quote:
But when it came to sex, Jen was worried. If they had intercourse, she could contract a sexually transmitted infection (STI) or get pregnant. Besides, she didn't feel ready to go all the way. Was it possible to get sexy ... without having sex?
Yes. There are many types of "sex play" — sexual activity, with or without a partner — that don't involve intercourse, which is why some people call it outercourse. Outercourse works whether you're a teenager or a senior citizen, single or partnered, or straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, or questioning...
Generally, "outercourse" means sex play without vaginal intercourse. Depending on personal preference, it can involve kissing, massage, masturbation, "frottage" (rubbing bodies together), sharing fantasies — including cybersex and phone sex, anal sex play (exploring one another's anus/rectum with hands, mouths), and oral sex play (touching one another's genitals with mouths).
My, you are a repressed bunch! :D
Hardly, NK, but I know the difference between abstinence and PP's idea of "not doing it."Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Now we have Seventeen magazine warning kids of "Shocking Ways You Could Get PREGNANT By Accident.” :eek:
Dude you are very creepy by the choice of magazine an old guy decides to read.
Cute NK, very cute. Nevertheless I'm not one bit ashamed of reading National Review Online, where I learned this tidbit. I am glad though that some adult somewhere is paying attention to the bilge being fed our kids, so Kudos to Kathryn Jean Lopez for doing just that. I guess you'd rather nobody monitor what our children read? Now THAT would be creepy.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Yeah, it's a pity Liberals don't read National Review and especially a pity they don't read all the books of Charles Murray, they for example, are brilliant analyses of what's wrong with the liberal solution to the social problems of today.
The societal problems of today in the US aren't a liberal/conservative issue DC, it's more of a consumerism/materialism issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark_crow
So what are the liberal/conservative solutions to this consumerism/materialism issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
That's a tough one. The mentality is so engrained to have the McMansion, the two large SUVs, the giant plasma TV, and the like. People are willing to screw over others to attain this, neglect their children, carry crazy amounts of debt. If parents can return to a normal lifestyle that wasn't so materialistic (the appearance of wealth) and return to being a family and spend the time raising their kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The corporations have taken over your country and the media. This consumerism is forced down your throats ad nauseum. People need to turn off the TV and computer and go outside, travel, do stuff together.
I grant you the consumerism/materialism issue is critical today, but that is more an economic issue…what I had in mind is the huge welfare State that has been created by Liberal idealism…social responsibility.
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Agree, but would also add that a bigger factor is the breakdown of the traditional nuclear family and marriage.
Work and Marriage: The Way to End Poverty and Welfare - Brookings Institution
Look at the census bureau data for the evidence. It is harder to prove consumerism and materialism.
Now do liberals or conservatives promote family friendly policies?
Actually Aid for dependent mothers contributed much to the break-up of the family; fathers left home so the wife would qualify.
EDIT: I meant to say Aid for mothers with dependent children.
Applying the "golden rule" to abstinence and fellatio.
How many would like to have a school, or magazine or MTV teach your daughter that performing fellatio is a form of abstinence? Would you yourself teach that to your daughter[s]?
How many would consider your wife or girlfriend faithful, or be okay with, if she performed just fellatio on another guy?
How many would consider their husband or boyfriend faithful , or be okay with, receiving oral sex from another?
InTheBox,
From your link:
I agree with the first part of that quote of conclusions. I'd like to see someone implement the "two children maximum" benefits policy - I imagine there would an interesting reaction by the public. That would be the government interfering in your lives, specifically what you normally cry foul about.Quote:
They would be expected to stay in school at least through high school, delay childbearing until marriage, work full-time to support any children they chose to bear outside marriage, and limit the size of their families to what they could afford to support. Existing policies would be aligned with this set of expectations. Income assistance would be conditional on work with some exceptions for hardship cases, including serious disability. Benefit programs (including tax credits and exemptions) would be capped at two children per family.
Exactly DC:
Why should a guy be responsible, or the mother hold him responsible if the state will qualify you for WIC, food stamps, HUD, Medicaid? These are all well intentioned programs when they started, but who could see the effects then or now?
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by inthebox
Agree NK
But with freedom comes responsibility, why should the taxpayor be held financially and socially responsible for for someone's else's poor choice[s].
If you accept money from the government should not rules apply?
What happened to personal responsibility and accountability?
Other countries have welfare programs and have not fallen into the gutter - why has the US done so?
NO. Its another form of sexQuote:
Is fellatio a form of abstinence?
Don't know what its passed off as in school, but the truth is its not abstinance ,nor should be taught as such. It does protect virginity though, doesn't it??Quote:
Is it currently taught or implied that it is in sex education?
Should it be?
Don't be shocked, but I at least partly agree with you. I don't get the whole McMansion/SUV/Plasma TV thing, but I do believe a good part of that is an entitlement mentality which is fed by the left. Their answer of course is blame someone else and let the government take care of you, while conservatives want you to take personal responsibility and take care of yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
A conservative would encourage you to turn the TV off and spend time with your kids, while a liberal would go so far as to turn your TV off for you if they could. No?
Nope, that entitlement complex is bipartisan all the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Uh no. I wrote the words you're using and I'm not considered a neo-conservative am I. :) It's about wanting to be a parent first and dropping that sense of entitlement. I really don't understand your need to polarize everything as being liberal vs conservative. I do understand you have a fanatical hate for all things liberal and it does cloud your judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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