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There is a movement afoot?

There is little doubt that Clinton has the most well organized operation of all the Presidential candidates; and the best one always wins. Well almost, unless it runs up against a “Movement.”

So say's Major Garrett at Fox news. When Obama took the stage the response was thunderous and jubilant, three times as loud as that for Clinton last night, and in “Clinton Territory.”

“And that is why I believe we are witnessing the birth of a movement that may be on the verge of defeating an operation. That would be rare enough on its own. But this particular contest is of generational importance because the Clinton operation is the most formidable modern American politics has ever seen and it would take quite a movement to knock it down.”
History was made last night…if all this true, and the movement continues, it appears we will have the first Black President in American History.

You Decide 08! » Clinton Operation Runs Aground Against Obama Movement in Milford

Any Obama supporters out there?:)

I LOVE how Barak is giving sHillarious a run for her money.

GO OBAMA!!

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

I LOVE how Barak is giving sHillarious a run for her money.

GO OBAMA!!!!!

By the Zogby New Hampshire Poll it would appear he is drawing from the Independents. :)

I got the same feeling for Obama as I had in the days of the Kennedy Boys... John F and Bobby... a real generational change, a movement based on American ideals... wanting to wipe out the corruption that was Bush's Christo-Republo-Fascist power grab against the Constitution. I think the young people are wanting this change big time.

I just finished watching the two part debate tonight... The Republicans looked bad except for McCain and Guilliani... a couple of the candidates were smirking at Ron Paul's assessments world events(Thompson and Romney)... I don't think that will bode well for them.

Clinton came out as the most articulate and intelligent of the Dems... Obama sort of squandered the good will from the Iowa victory by seeming inexperienced.

The New Hampshire election is on Tuesday... What interesting times.

You wrote: "Bush's Christo-Republo-Fascist". Where did this come from? Name calling?
As we covered elsewhere, fascist does not equate with Republican, as a fascist is a statist, and much closer to a Democrat.

You wrote: "Clinton came out as the most articulate and intelligent". Of course, that's your opinion and you have a right to it. I thought she looked stiff and programmed; she may be a good strategist, but she is not a good debater. Richardson acted like he was lost. Clinton looked as though she expects everyone to bow; I guess Obama hasn't learned his manners very well.

Again I can only comment as an outsider looking in but the general feeling that I get from non-americans is very pro Obama. I must admit that he comes across as a elegant and articulate man.

Given, and only in my opinion, that for the last 7 years America has been led by such a very insular and myopic president, the change in direction that Obama presents is very interesting indeed and one I wonder if Americans are ready for.

Given the fact that the nation elected Bush in the first place and then re-elected him with a larger majority after his Iraq war, I do have doubts that the US is just yet ready to elect a Harvard educated, mixed race, liberal, civil rights lawyer. I hope I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by Skell

the general feeling that i get from non-americans is very pro Obama.

I bet they are!! Have you checked out his church?

Trinity United Church of Christ

I'm not politically savvy, but I can tell you, if he gets the presidency, I am outa here!!

Doesn't seem much different to any other religious group to me. But then again I'm not very religiously savvy :)

Just out of interest what is it that you don't like about him. Is it simply his policies or is there other things. I'm interested because although I do follow American politics, obviously not living in the US or voting I don't know as much or follow as closely as you guys. That's why I always state that my opinions are for the most part based on an outsiders perspective.

Although I am not politically savvy, I don't care for his church that is all about sending money to africa, about raising money for the black population only. If you are not black you cannot be a member of his church.

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We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black

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We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.

Don't get me wrong, I am not in the least bit prejudiced, but we are a country of a melting pot of every nation in the world. I myself am Polish and Czech, I have 2 nieces who are biracial.

This country is a multinational society, should we elect Obama, we will be faced with the "Black Value System" Trinity United Church of Christ

There is no room in our government, I don't care who it is... Osama... Billary... Bush... Edwards... McCain, etc, for prejudicial beliefs. To become a president in our country one should not be biased one way or the other when it comes to a matter of race.

Isn't Obama's mother white? I would doubt highly that he would be prejudiced.

Is it any different to a Jewish church only raising money for Jews? Or a catholic church only raising money for catholics? Is there any difference between racial and religious prejudice?

If a politician can be criticised / condemned for being a member of a black only church can that logic also be used against a Jew, a catholic or a Mormon.

Bush is unashamed Christian and is prejudiced towards his beliefs, Christianity. He believes they are correct and all other religions are wrong. Is this a similar situation to Obama being a member of a black church who has strong roots to its native africa? Is it any less prejudice?

Has Obama displayed any reason for you to believe that he may be a prejudiced President other than this church?

Again I ask these questions out of interest, and not to argue. I don't have a strong opinion or case either way. I'm interested as to how he is perceived.

This is the first I have heard about Obama being a lawyer. Didn't Bush go to graduate school at Harvard? Is he somehow less than qualified because he attended?

Please read the mission statement in the link J-9 provides. It says nothing of just being for black people, but invites all people. Having said that, the mans religion is irrelevant, but what we have seen so far, and its to early to tell if his success will continue, is he has an appeal to those who are tired of the status quo that the other candidates represent. Is the US ready for a minority president? We will see how this pans out. I don't think he will do as well in some of the other, less tolerant states though, but he appears to be gaining momentum.

I missed the part where it's Obamna's church. How are they related?

Hello DC:

It's a movement just like the movement was in 1968 when the young people saw their brethren being killed on the battlefield for NO reason.

I thought it was the draft that brought them out in '68, but they're coming out now and there ain't no draft.

Go YOUNG PEOPLE!

excon

PS> In my view, his lack of experience is exactly what qualifies him for president.

No comparison between 1968 and 2008; zilch, nada. These are just the young lefties that listen to their professors and watch lots of TV. This crowd would believe social security is alive and well.

Perhaps the discovery that the invasion of Iraq, like Vietnam, was based on a pretense, and not truth is the connecting link for the movement.

Found this while browsing,
Newsmax.com - Barack Obama&#39s Racist Church

T…proving all poodles are dogs does not prove all dogs are poodles.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Found this while browsing,
Newsmax.com - Barack Obama&#39s Racist Church

Thanks, that's the first time I hear of this. Seems odd for some reason. His church doesn't seem to fit his outward persona at all.

Edit: DC I just noticed your link to Zeitgeist - I will also recommend that movie. Also "Power of Nightmares" is a good documentary to understand the history of neo-conservatism and the use of fear and religion in politics.

He's playing the generational differences for all they are worth. Again ;I read his book ,and beyond the complaints about the Baby boomers bipartisanship he offers NOTHING new . But perhaps he is right about the Boomer generation .

I expect that soon Evita will have her own special Sista Soulja moment ;and Obama's Church will be part of the swipe no doubt. Her hench-men have already questioned if he peddled drugs,and suggested they would make an issue of his Muslim heritage.

I was thinking about starting another thread with the question "What is wrong with partisanship anyway ?"

Tell you what ; if Obama is elected the change will be that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will have to find something else to do for a living .

I brought that article forth to show how far the opposition will go to bring someone down with half truths, and even less fact, as this article was written by a Bush baby, and well, Take it for what it is, an attempt at scaring people away from Mr. Obama, in my opinion. Just as the link to his church paints a picture to separate, which upon investigation does not. There will always be those that believe without checking the facts. In this age of the internet, its not hard to get your own facts.

"What is wrong with partisanship anyway?" Sounds like a good topic Tom.

Thanks for the reference NK, I just watched it all on you tube

Taliniman

Is Bob Kerry a Bush Baby ? He brought up Obama's Muslim grand parent . It was Hillary hacks who suggested Obama dealt drugs... not Republicans.

Tom

My reference was to Ron Kessler, the author of the article. I'm not a republican but like John McCain, at this point. But the jury is still out, but the mind is open.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Please read the mission statement in the link J-9 provides. It says nothing of just being for black people, but invites all people. Having said that, the mans religion is irrelevant, but what we have seen so far, and its to early to tell if his success will continue, is he has an appeal to those who are tired of the status quo that the other candidates represent. Is the US ready for a minority president? We will see how this pans out. I don't think he will do as well in some of the other, less tolerant states though, but he appears to be gaining momentum.

My thoughts exactly Tal. And I have to say in my quick look at the site I didn't see anything untoward. They are proudly black. Like I'm proudly Australian. Good for them!

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Is Bob Kerry a Bush Baby ? He brought up Obama's Muslim grand parent . It was Hillary hacks who suggested Obama dealt drugs ....not Republicans.

What a contradiction that would be. Accuse someone's church of racism and then use their Muslim heritage to try and discredit them... LOL!

Does anyone think that if Hillary's dogs go too far down the dirt campaign trail it might work against her. Negative campaigns can do that. We just saw it down under recently at the last federal election. Obama seems to be kicking all the goals and Hillary is faulting. A dirty attack now could reflect poorly on her! Agree?

Skell, a lot of people don't know why there was such a piling on of Romney by McCain, Huckabee, & Giuliani during Saturday's Republican debate, and then on Sunday night's debate Huckabee was still sparring with Romney. Outside of the state of NH, people haven't seen Romney's attack ads on both McCain & Huckabee. I have had to endure those ads. They are completely disgusting and Romney's campaign chair doesn't seem to get that it hurts them more than helps them when they do this. People don't buy into mudslinging that easily. That being said, I do believe that Hillary's people are feverishly looking for the smoking gun that will bring down Obama. I don't think tt will come directly from their camp. They will find some other source to leak it for them. But, we will all know who dug it up.

Let's put it this way... I had a movement this morning after getting out of bed.

Neither Obama nor Clinton impress me with their politics. Obama DOES impress me with his energy and his ability to get crowds behind him. He's very charismatic, and he puts on a good show. And frankly, as much as I dislike his politics, he SEEMS like a likeable fellow. Clinton is NOT.

But any talk of "movements" belongs in exactly the same place that I had my movement this morning. It's ridiculous to think that thee is a "movement" taking place because a particular politician (who also lacks experience) happens to be popular. It takes more that cheering crowds to indicate a "movement" is afoot.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

Let's put it this way... I had a movement this morning after getting out of bed.

But any talk of "movements" belongs in exactly the same place that I had my movement this morning.

Elliot

I already knew what you thought of the civil rights movement. :p

http://www.wsu.edu/~amerstu/smc/images/civil1.gif

Lmao and Amen! ETWolverine

Where is this movement going to appear next?

South Carolina... maybe, given Kerry's endorsement :) It may cause the Democratic machine to move in favor of Obama. That is what killed him in NH at the last moment.

What killed Obama in NH? The Democrat machine is owned by the Clintons, I would think.

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What killed Obama in NH? The Democrat machine is owned by the Clintons, I would think.

They have their own yes, but I was writing about the Party Machine

Its really to early to crown a new king, as there are a lot more states weighing in, with different issues for sure. We have a long way to go before we can say there is a movement going on across the country.

You said: "I was writing about the Party Machine". Dark_crow: no disrespect intended, but you must be young; the Clintons own the party.

George didn't you hear ? George Soros owns the Democrat Party.

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“In the last year, grassroots contributors like us gave more than $300 million to the Kerry campaign and the DNC, and proved that the Party doesn't need corporate cash to be competitive. Now it's our Party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back.”

[Eli Pariser, Justin Ruben of MoveOn PAC ]

Oops! Sorry.

DC,

The civil rights movement really was a political movement. So was the women's rights movement, the anti-war movement, etc. They were real political movements with real, stated goals, an aim, a direction, and a strong leadership to make that movement actually MOVE somewhere.

But to say that the Obama campaign is anything like those real political movements? Sorry, that really DOES belong where I had my morning movement. We're talking about a guy with NO EXPERIENCE as either a leader or legislator, much less an executive. He talks about "change", but doesn't talk about what he wishes to change to... or for that matter, change FROM. There's no "movement" here. You can't have a movement without an aim, a goal, and a leader willing to actually sacifice for the attainment of that goal. Talk of an "Obama movement" is ridiculous.

Elliot

It didn't start the way Elliot. When th e lady sat in the front of the bus and refused to go to the back there was no "Movement." But she certainly helped to start one.

You're right though about his movement, there is no movement, it petered out