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Hero was fired!

Leave to al-AP to marginalize a hero...

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Security guard has been fired from police department in Minneapolis
December 11, 2007 12:15 EST

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) -- The security guard being credited with shooting the gunman responsible for the killings at a church and missionary training center in Colorado had been fired as a police officer in Minneapolis.

Minneapolis police say Jeanne Assam worked for that city's department from 1993 to 1997, but was fired for lying during an internal investigation.

The president of the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis says police were investigating a complaint that Assam swore at a bus driver while she was handling an incident on a city bus. He says Assam denied that she swore at the driver, but her actions were caught on tape.

The gunman was shot at the site of the second shooting -- the New Life Church in Colorado Springs.

Deranged gunman storms a church "carrying an assault rifle, two pistols and a backpack holding more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition," a 42 year old woman takes him out with her pistol and all the AP can say is she is "credited with shooting the gunman" and was fired from the Minneapolis PD for lying about cussing out a bus driver. Any reason why al-AP would come at it from this angle? Hmmm? Any reason at all?

I'm confused. She was fired 10 years ago for cussing someone out? I agree she is a hero. Are you saying they are bringing up the firing to make her look bad?

Sorry to be thick, have been up with a sick kid for 2 nights.

My thoughts were why the church had arm guards patroling?

It was more than a church - it was a missionary center, which had received hate mail and threats from the "alleged" killer (so I read in a news report).

I can see why the AP thought they HAD to downplay the heroic efforts of the guard. They cannot give credit where credit is due, unless it follows their own political and politically correct leanings. But firing that former cop for lying? Give me a break - had to be more to the story than that. My ex's best friend is a cop in Minneapolis and he has done much worse than swearing on a bus and still kept his job.

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Originally Posted by Emland

I'm confused. She was fired 10 years ago for cussing someone out? I agree she is a hero. Are you saying they are bringing up the firing to make her look bad?

Sorry to be thick, have been up with a sick kid for 2 nights.

Actually I'm going to leave it open for interpretation for a while and see what happens. And that's OK, I'm a little thick sometimes, just ask a certain few people here and they'll tell you :D

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Originally Posted by parttime

My thoughts were why the church had arm guards patroling?

Part, the missionary center had an office at the church - which to me means the church sponsors the missionary center. The church therefore knew about what happened and thought it best to have security for their services. I'd say they made a wise decision.

Because in the moral relativism of the MSM
Swearing at a bus driver is as big an offense as taking out a killer.

Also, Ms Assam 1] used a gun, 2] was self reliant and took action on her own rather than wait for the government to intervene, and 3] she credits God.

We saw the same thing with Ashley Smith and the Atlanta killer.

I do not know how besmirching their character, after a heroic act, is newsworthy.

The real message should be that God has used these two imperfect people to display His goodness.

Grace and Peace

You are right, inthebox, besmirching a person's character by bringing up old history, should not be newsworthy. What happened then has no bearing on what happened at the Missionary Center.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Part, the missionary center had an office at the church - I'd say they made a wise decision.

Under the circumstances I'd have to agree, just a shame that churches feel the need to arm.

OK I'm with Em. She was fired 10 years ago and whether it be justified or not it has no link whatsoever to the recent act of bravery! What are you getting at?

Actually large churches here in Atlanta have off duty police offiers normally in police cars present during all church services. They direct traffic, park cars and provide security for cars and the church.

But yes, what the post is saying is that the AP and other liberal news reporting groups are looking for ways to make those that protect the public with guns look bad, they hate the idea that anyone is carring a gun.

Ok, sorry. Now I get the link that Steve was making in his original post..

Everyone should hate the idea of guns. They kill. But ill grant you it that hating the idea won't make them go away, so that leaves us with the prospect that people feel the need to carry them. I still hate the idea of them though and the fact that the world is that way!

Hi Everyone,

Maybe it's just me, but I took the story to be a show of irony. Isn't it ironic that a woman who was fired from the police department 10 yrs ago for cussing at a bus driver and then lying about it would show such bravery as a security guard and shoot a deranged killer?

The story posted here doesn't say if she was carrying the gun legally as an armed security guard, so I have to assume she was bonded to carry and use her weapon to protect. Am I wrong? It seems to me the story was "lite" and did not present all the information necessary to understand the point, if there was one, of the writer; it was poorly written.

I like her style . She prayed to the Holy Spirit and then blew the bastard away ."Praise the Lord and keep your powder dry".

Tomder55: I thought it was "Praise the Lord and pass the amunition!"

The press will also do this sort of thing on the reverse. They love to bring up the past of a mass murderer especially if he was an Eagle Scout or Sunday school teacher.

Yeah I mixed them a little . The actual quote I was using is an old Oliver Cromwell Quote that goes :
"Put your trust in God, my boys, and keep your powder dry. "

Here in Atlanta things like this are very common, if someone was a police officer 15 years ago and quit, but then today they are caught stealing or in some crime, the news will read, ex police officer does this or that.

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Originally Posted by Emland

I'm confused. She was fired 10 years ago for cussing someone out? I agree she is a hero. Are you saying they are bringing up the firing to make her look bad?

Yes, that's exactly why they are bringing it up. Oh, they won't admitt that. They'll just say that they were doing a thorough job of investigative reporting, and laying the facts out before the public. But the fact is that the incident 10 years ago has no bearing on what happened now. Bringing it up serves no purpose except to besmirch this hero.

Elliot

I agree Elliot. The media loves to make cops or former cops look bad if they get the chance.

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Originally Posted by BBWfromPhilly

Hi Everyone,

Maybe it's just me, but I took the story to be a show of irony. Isn't it ironic that a woman who was fired from the police department 10 yrs ago for cussing at a bus driver and then lying about it would show such bravery as a security guard and shoot a deranged killer?

The story posted here doesn't say if she was carrying the gun legally as an armed security guard, so I have to assume she was bonded to carry and use her weapon to protect. Am I wrong? It seems to me the story was "lite" and did not present all the information necessary to understand the point, if there was one, of the writer; it was poorly written.

Yes, the gun was legal, she was a bonded security guard, and the shooting occurred in the performance of her duties. Perfectly legal.

This article was probably a sidebar to the full story of how this hero took out the mass-killer who had struck earlier that day 65 miles away. That's probably why it is so light on details.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by parttime

under the circumstances I'd have to agree, just a shame that churches feel the need to arm.

Absolutely. Somehow I expect the far left will find a way to condemn this church for that.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Absolutely. Somehow I expect the far left will find a way to condemn this church for that.

Actually it's a good idea to have guards around all churches.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Absolutely. Somehow I expect the far left will find a way to condemn this church for that.

They don't need to look that far to condemn the Church... the Church is religious and promotes belief in G-d, ergo it is bad. The gun thing is just icing on the cake.

Elliot

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I like her style . She prayed to the Holy Spirit and then blew the bastard away ."Praise the Lord and keep your powder dry".

ROFL, It's a good thing I didn't have a mouth full of coffee when I read this, tom. :D

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

They don't need to look that far to condemn the Church... the Church is religious and promotes belief in G-d, ergo it is bad.

So full of hatred. So sad. And I can say GOD. :)

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Originally Posted by BBWfromPhilly

Hi Everyone,

Maybe it's just me, but I took the story to be a show of irony. Isn't it ironic that a woman who was fired from the police department 10 yrs ago for cussing at a bus driver and then lying about it would show such bravery as a security guard and shoot a deranged killer?

Yep, I love it.

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The story posted here doesn't say if she was carrying the gun legally as an armed security guard, so I have to assume she was bonded to carry and use her weapon to protect. Am I wrong? It seems to me the story was "lite" and did not present all the information necessary to understand the point, if there was one, of the writer; it was poorly written.

The LA Times article I also linked to said this:

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The Rev. Boyd, who introduced Assam, stressed that all church guards were volunteers who worshiped at the church and were legally allowed to carry guns.

"Given the events of the past 24 hours, you understand why there is a need to provide security to the people who worship there," Boyd said.

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Originally Posted by Emland

I agree Elliot. The media loves to make cops or former cops look bad if they get the chance.

Especially those that give credit to God.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Leave to al-AP to marginalize a hero...

Deranged gunman storms a church "carrying an assault rifle, two pistols and a backpack holding more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition," a 42 year old woman takes him out with her pistol and all the AP can say is she is "credited with shooting the gunman" and was fired from the Minneapolis PD for lying about cussing out a bus driver. Any reason why al-AP would come at it from this angle? Hmmm? Any reason at all?

Most people in stressful situations do not know they even cussed.
So the internal investigation by the police was wrong to fire her.

That she was a police officer does not mean why she was fired is public knowledge.
How did the press learn why she left? Why did the press violate her privacy to tell us?

Just the press being bad to people. She is not a public figure as a security guard, or even being one who had to fire a gun at someone. She is an individual and the press should not snoop into people's lives! Or tell others! She should be praised and left alone. She did what she had to do to protect herself, and others legally!

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

So full of hatred. So sad. And I can say GOD. :)

But I can't. It's a Jewish thing. We avoid using any name of G-d, even in writing, except when absolutely necessary, as in prayer. It is a sign of reverence for G-d.

And no, it isn't hatred. Contempt is a better word. :D

(Deja vu?)

Elliot

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Originally Posted by eawoodall

most people in stressful situations do not know they even cussed.
so the internal investigation by the police was wrong to fire her.

that she was a police officer does not mean why she was fired is public knowledge.
how did the press learn why she left? why did the press violate her privacy to tell us?

just the press being bad to people. she is not a public figure as a security guard, or even being one who had to fire a gun at someone. she is an individual and the press should not snoop into people's lives! or tell others! she should be praised and left alone. she did what she had to do to protect herself, and others legally!

What's ironic is I heard on ABC news yesterday that the press applauded her when she entered the room for a press conference. Maybe al-AP was too busy looking for a negative angle to put their hands together and clap.

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

And no, it isn't hatred. Contempt is a better word. :D

(Deja vu?)
Elliot

yes, I realized a while ago that you guys are all friends and support each other on this site, right up to giving greenies to each other all the time even for disagreements.