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  • Nov 28, 2013, 05:11 AM
    tomder55
    If you can't beat them muzzle them .
    Quote:

    In an aggressive move designed to crack down on free-spending outside political groups, the Obama administration is proposing strict new rules curtailing nonprofits like Karl Rove’s Crossroads GPS and the pro-Obama Priorities USA.

    The draft proposal, released Tuesday by the Treasury Department, would keep so-called social welfare 501(c)(4) nonprofits from getting a tax exemption if they engage in too much “candidate related” political activity.
    :President Obama pitches new rules for political nonprofits - Byron Tau - POLITICO.com

    In other words he's trying to codify the illegal activity his IRS engaged in last year during the 2012 elections .
    Quote:

    The proposal is the first major response to a Treasury inspector general report in May blasting the IRS for added scrutiny of tea party conservative groups seeking tax exemption — a major scandal that led President Barack Obama to fire the acting IRS commissioner and other officials to exit the agency.
    The inspector general report recommended the IRS tighten its rules.
    So instead of taking steps to prevent this type of lawless activity in the future ;he instead wants to make the legitimate activities of the groups illegal.
    What really upsets them is that 501s outspent their preferred interest groups like the union movement .
    Bottom line on this is that the tax code should not be used to award or punish political speech ,or any other behavior . Eliminate deductions and institute a flat tax .Then the emperor won't have to concern himself with punishing Tea Party Groups and rewarding other cronies through the tax code .
  • Nov 28, 2013, 06:03 AM
    paraclete
    well of course these pseudo political organisations need to be muzzled
  • Nov 28, 2013, 06:30 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    these pseudo political organisations
    The Democrats ?
  • Nov 28, 2013, 07:15 AM
    excon
    Hello tom:

    Nahhh... The problem was how 501C4 organizations were examined... Now, it's being fixed.

    Of course, if you believe the problem was Obama TARGETING his enemies, ala Nixon, then you won't believe me.

    excon

    PS> By the way, if MY president is a crook, I wanna KNOW it. But, Issa let Lois Lerner slide WITHOUT finding out WHAT she KNEW. I dunno WHY he'd do that, unless he just wanted to score political points. Must I remind you that our founders did NOT leave the congress TOOTHLESS in its oversight responsibilities???

    So, there's no PROOF at all. That would be NONE! It's just right wingers flapping their gums as usual..
  • Nov 28, 2013, 08:22 AM
    tomder55
    Wondering how the emperor will make an exception for OFA .
    What is being unsaid here is that this is the emperor's regulatory putsch to roll back Citizen's United . This is just another example of executive over-reach .
  • Nov 28, 2013, 08:26 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:
    Quote:

    What is being unsaid here is that this is the emperor's regulatory putsch to roll back Citizen's United .
    If you wouldn't have said it, I would have. It's exactly that. And, he's using the RULES to get it.

    Look.. If he's ABUSING the Constitution, put Issa on it. He's your crack investigator.. Bwa, ha ha ha.

    excon
  • Nov 28, 2013, 08:30 AM
    tomder55
    Issa said the move is "a crass political effort by the administration to get what political advantage they can, when they can.”“The regulation released today continues [the administration's] unfortunate pattern of stifling constitutional free speech,”

    I'm sure you'll here more from him and Orin Hatch from the Senate Finance Committee.
  • Nov 28, 2013, 08:39 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:
    Quote:

    I'm sure you'll here more from him and Orin Hatch from the Senate Finance Committee.
    Yeah, Orrin is facing a Tea Party guy in the primary, so he's gotta LOOK like he HATES Obama. And, Issa is going to be as feckless as ever.

    excon
  • Nov 28, 2013, 08:52 AM
    tomder55
    You're going to sing a different tune when the Repubs get the majority in both Houses and the Presidency . We'll see how happy you are about all the new executive powers and rules changes that favor absolute power of the majority .
  • Nov 28, 2013, 09:06 AM
    speechlesstx
    These guys won't be muzzled.



    2013: Year of the liberal billionaire - Alexander Burns and Maggie Haberman - POLITICO.com
  • Nov 28, 2013, 09:30 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:
    Quote:

    We'll see how happy you are about all the new executive powers and rules changes that favor absolute power of the majority .
    Oh, I'm sure you'll take us back to a time when abortion was illegal and literacy tests weren't.

    excon
  • Nov 28, 2013, 10:06 AM
    speechlesstx
    You libs crack me up.
  • Nov 28, 2013, 01:26 PM
    talaniman
    I guess you conservatives feel like the Packers getting their tails kicked and just waiting for this game to end. Ya got 3 more years, but you haven't stopped the Prez yet, doubt if you can.
  • Nov 28, 2013, 01:30 PM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    You're going to sing a different tune when the Repubs get the majority in both Houses and the Presidency . We'll see how happy you are about all the new executive powers and rules changes that favor absolute power of the majority .


    Exactly, then you can defend what you have be criticising.
  • Nov 28, 2013, 01:32 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    We'll see how happy you are about all the new executive powers and rules changes that favor absolute power of the majority .
    First you have to earn that majority Tom. You see what you are blind to is the reality that the electorate doesn't trust you with absolute power
  • Nov 28, 2013, 02:48 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tuttyd View Post
    Exactly, then you can defend what you have be criticising.

    You haven't seen me shy about calling the Repubics out when they deserve it .
  • Nov 28, 2013, 03:37 PM
    talaniman
    Mostly when they have caved to dems, or act like rino's.
  • Nov 28, 2013, 03:47 PM
    tomder55
    yea and there's way too many examples of that.
  • Nov 28, 2013, 03:49 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    yea and there's way too many examples of that.
    see No true Scotsman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  • Nov 28, 2013, 07:48 PM
    paraclete
    karma you are right no true republican would sit on his hands while the country goes to the dogs, he would get out there and create jobs, share his largesse around, in other words stop carping and start doing

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