Mother Nature has probably wiped mankind off the face of the Earth multiple times and we just keep starting all over.
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Mother Nature has probably wiped mankind off the face of the Earth multiple times and we just keep starting all over.
no evidence of that
Fouling our waterways doesn't make an impact? Allowing plastic to dominate our everyday life and end up as visible and invisible waste on land and in the sea doesn't make an impact? Burning down the Amazon and other forests doesn't make an impact? "And I brought you into a plentiful land to enjoy its fruits and its good things. But when you came in, you defiled my land and made my heritage an abomination." Jer. 2:7Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Those things are significant, but not nearly as significant as people try to make them out to be. For instance, there is actually more forested area in North America now than a hundred years ago, so the burning of forests must not be very widespread.Quote:
Fouling our waterways doesn't make an impact? Allowing plastic to dominate our everyday life and end up as visible and invisible waste on land and in the sea doesn't make an impact? Burning down the Amazon and other forests doesn't make an impact?
Try telling that to the people whose water and land have been fouled by industries how insignificant their plight is. Let me know what they tell you.
No evidence it didn't happen either while we discover old ancient ruins tens of thousand of years old of ancient peoples, beneath the sands and oceans and in the jungles of undeveloped lands.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
In our country if your land has been "fouled by industries" you can take them to court and force them to clean it up. It has happened many times.Quote:
Try telling that to the people whose water and land have been fouled by industries how insignificant their plight is. Let me know what they tell you.
I don't think there have been any discoveries of ancient ruins that are "tens of thousands" of years old. Thousands of years old, but not tens of thousands of years. If you know of any, then post it here.Quote:
No evidence it didn't happen either while we discover old ancient ruins tens of thousand of years old of ancient peoples, beneath the sands and oceans and in the jungles of undeveloped lands.
Did you bother yourself to read that article? If you did, you know that those sites are all hotly debated as to whether or not, in some cases, they were even man made, and the dating of the sites was in question. Besides, none of your examples were dated at "tens of thousands" of years old, so your link does not make your case at all. So rather than "many throughout the world", there are currently "zero throughout the world".
I'll stick with what I post and you can be the skeptic all you want too, since you usually are when things don't line up to your view of things. How about this one for your closed minded perusal.
What are you one of those the Earth is 6,000 years old fanatics?
Talaniman: A lot of times, the people of an area or town DON'T EVEN KNOW that they are drinking polluted water until some do-gooder tells them! If it was that bad, they would know from the taste! Ever taste water in Savannah, Ga. or Brunswick, Ga. or Jacksonville, Fla.? Tastes like sh&$! You think its fouled but its only the heavy calcium load and Sulphur depositions....smells like a goats arse! But fine to drink, other than helping you to develop kidney stones.
Yes I'm sure the people in places like Flint Mi. could have used a do gooder sooner. Many more examples of cancer and disease have emerged well before a do gooder did.
If you had read the article, you would know that I am not the skeptic. The article itself said that, in the case of four of the five supposed sites, there was dispute over their authenticity or even if the site was man-made or not. Now that was YOUR article that said that, so I'm sticking with your link that it clearly seems you did not read.Quote:
I'll stick with what I post and you can be the skeptic all you want too, since you usually are when things don't line up to your view of things. How about this one for your closed minded perusal.
That might turn out to be the case, but I'm not in that camp. I am, however, in the camp of those who believe in actually reading what they post. Even your second article was about a site "estimated" to be 14,000 years old. Even if that is true, it does not fit the definition of "tens of thousands" of years old, so you have come up with zilch to support your claim. There is no point in getting mad at me about it. It was not my claim but yours.Quote:
What are you one of those the Earth is 6,000 years old fanatics?
Relax dude, I ain't mad at ya, or surprised at your closed minded dismissiveness, and if you don't want to acknowledge or discuss the possibilities that's cool with me. Wouldn't be the first time and surely won't be the last.
Well, another smokey morning on the mountain, we will be calling this old smokey soon, no Panorama today, but I think you need to relax, dude, smell the roses and resign yourself to the inevitable. You have at least another year of your torment. I know my problems pale into insignificant in the face of the momentous challenge you face, after all, you are faced with that fierce dragon, Trump, who roars and breathes fire and challenges the very existence of something, and not a dragon slayer in sightQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I would be glad to discuss the "possibilities" with you as soon as you come up with something to discuss. My "dismissiveness", as I showed you, comes from the content of your own two articles which you clearly did not bother to read. Incredible.Quote:
your closed minded dismissiveness, and if you don't want to acknowledge or discuss the possibilities that's cool with me. Wouldn't be the first time and surely won't be the last.
Never mind guy, just forget it, as I have explained why I linked those articles and if you don't grasp it then just forget it, it's no big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No Clete your challenges are huge and in many ways worse than a Dragan running around with no dragon slayer in sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Actually you have not explained at all why you would link articles that do not in any way support your position, but as you say, it's not big deal.Quote:
Never mind guy, just forget it, as I have explained why I linked those articles and if you don't grasp it then just forget it, it's no big deal.
Yes I think the dragon has been running around here spreading fire all about, This is definitely the worst fire season we have faced, I cannot remember one as widespread as this, certainly, I cannot remember days of smoke haze blanketing the town and as I sometimes suffer with asthma I have to be careful. It certainly doesn't look like ChristmasQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Paraclete: Never heard it verbalized the way you put it here but the DRAGON analogy with Trump is a good one: Trump walked into the STATUS QUO POLITICS AS USUAL PLAYPEN we have had in place forever and didn't asked for permission...he didn't follow the patent RULES, he didn't just GO ALONG with all the schemes they had set up years and years before...the denizen vermin had a nice little Payton Place set up and Trump came in and knocked their little sand castles down....Trump is an outsider! The denizens of "The Swamp" had everyone convinced that you had to be a POLITICIAN to be POTUS: Trump destroyed that illusion and that is what all this Russia Investigation and Impeachment crap is all about: Trying to get rid of the guy who disrupted their little perfect world....everyone knows it, too, but they won't say it but its the truth.
Look dude I just reported the possibility of the discovery of ancient human settlement that may be older than known before, and unlike you I have no problem with the criticism or opposite view. My original position that man has been here longer than first presumes still stands as a possibility. If you want to argue the inaccuracy of the numbers go ahead but be aware that a that it is but a range of the estimates and nobody expects exactness. nor is it an indication as YOU put forth of complete dismissal.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
At least tell me you know the difference between dismiss, debunk, and disproved. You only have one of those descriptions on your side. without any evidence to support it at all. Typical fundamentalist's thinking, if it's not an exact match to your preconceived notion then it cannot count. By your thinking any thing we discuss that includes oppositional or contradictory thinking should be ignored? I don't dismiss the possibility of another view as easily as you seem able to.
I strive for the opposite. ALL the possibilities to examine. Afraid of being wrong are you?
I almost agreed with you except the conclusion you presented. The Russia investigation and the Impeachment are about the words, actions and antics of the dufus crossing lines of good behavior, that may be high crimes and misdemeanors, as well as explaining the HOW Vlad also crossed a line. Defend the dufus if you must, but defending Vlad is a whole nuther ballgame...he is no friend and has devious intentions that are in his own interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Surely you grasp the difference.
Challenging weather, for sure, but hopefully we survive and find a way to adapt and mitigate our losses and are better prepared for the next challenge. For now though, just surviving THIS crisis is your only hope. I think if I were you I would have an oxygen mask and an escape route handy if that's possible, or be ready to run like hell away from this disaster. LOL, maybe at the first smell of smoke.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Not likely to be an issue in town although there have been two nearby fires in recent days, as long as the pine forests don't burn we will be ok but it is dreadful for many. Nowhere to go Tal the route to my relatives elsewhere is bad, so will just stay here. 37C tomorrow, just hunker down and stay coolQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I've never been through a wildfire, nor even near one, just blizzards and tornados and floods, and they were scary enough. I doubt I could even sleep with the smell of smoke and the fear of a fast moving wildfire, let alone worrying about my peeps. Hunker well my friend and stay cool.
Yes it is bad, had a fire crown over the top of me in 1975, the roar is like a dragon, very scary, still hoping for rainQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-...orate/11780390
Just in case you're still interested!
Lot to learn if your mind is open and WILLING.
"The find is, of course, controversial, because that tiny axe fragment we mentioned earlier has been dated to around the same time period - 44,000 to 49,000 years ago. The problem is these estimates are all fairly rough, and still up for interpretation - Hamm's team, for example, insists that the axe is no more than 48,000 years old."[E]veryone is keen to make their site sound older," Sue O'Connor from the Australian National University, who was not involved in either find, told Marcus Strom at The Sydney Morning Herald. But she did add that "the Hamm discovery was likely older"."The methodology of this study is as good as it gets," she said. "It's a very important site and a really significant find."
My mind is quite open and quite willing. You finally came up with some evidence to back up your claim. It does sound legit.
Yes Tal been in the Flinders Ranges, very dry place, I expect that those people were wandering because they were looking for water and food. The aboriginal never developed agriculture, they separated before that innovation became popular. it is said the first wave arrived 60,000 years ago, so assumptions that the place was quickly populated, or explored, is probably a myth. These peoples don't move around much today and I expect that is the way it was, only doing what you had too. The centre is a very inhospitable place and no one crosses those lands unless they have to. It may have been wetter during the ice age but there is no evidence it ever supported a large populationQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I don't know what kind of climate was around where they find these old human settlements many thousands of years ago, or where they went afterward, but they are finding them all over the world. Wonder if future man will find our stuff from this time and wonder where we went, or what happened to us? The most fascinating are the ones that lie beneath oceans and seas, that hints at rising water levels way back in the past.
Yes Tal the timeline seems to be stretched a little more than a literal reading of theology might suggest but then who knows what ancient man got up to away from the Levant. Future man might wonder at how stupid we were, being unable to settle our differences and cooperate. I know archeologists date things with ash layers and the smoke is back this morning, so I don't know what that tells usQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Tells us that you have a huge fire since the ash extends all the way to the New Zealand glaciers. No telling why or where ancient man walked to why, or from where or what, but obviously the did, and future man may well mark this as more barbaric times for human kind.
perhaps, however, it is unlikey the future for mankind will extend far enough for us to be considered barbarians. this is a golden age perhaps tipped towards decline.
Prevailing winds carry our smoke to kiwi, that is 2,500 miles, not surprising then that everywhere here is clouded in smoke
Things tend to be rather gloomy when you're in the middle of a disaster but keep your head up, and endure. Could be worse! You could have a volcano erupting too! Oh wait you do!
No Tal that is in Kiwi, we don't have any active volcanos here, I think the kiwis decided that they wouldn't be outdoneQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I think they have overdone it a bit.
Yes many victimsQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjlmFr4FMvI
and you know what, the outcome of the Madrid Conference and the anger of the CO2 religious nutcases confirm that it is all stupidity
Paraclete: Man, you nailed it! AGAIN!
It's what I do!
Interesting video. Question. Those who argue for reducing CO2 emissions, what is their true agenda?
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