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"Russian officials told him". It is good he didn't join in their disinformation campaign. How Putin would have reveled to bring down a US President even one as friendly as Trump. I wonder why GHB didn't include Russia in his axis of evil afterall each was a Russian client state, but then George wasn't the brightest kid on the block , he relied too much on intelligence, what an oxymorn that wasQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
How do you know that's true?Quote:
It is good he didn't join in their disinformation campaign.
he obviously kept his nose out of it, knowing he couldn't indict a sitting presidentQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
OK. You are talking about Mueller. I thought you were referring to Steele. But if there was a disinformation campaign, shouldn't that have been part of his investigation which was, after all, supposed to be about Russian interference in our election?
You were so astonished that you missed that Steele/FISA warrants were part of another investigation by someone else? What else did you miss?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I noticed the guy who was charged with investigating Russian interference in our 2016 election deciding NOT to investigate an absolutely jaw-dropping allegation of Russian interfering in the 2016 election. I don't believe it was being investigated by anyone else when Mueller received his commission.Quote:
You were so astonished that you missed that Steele/FISA warrants were part of another investigation by someone else? What else did you miss?
But I commend you for your persistence in making excuses for the anti-Trump crowd. Just another example of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
The real investigative work is underway by AG Barr,Dunham and his team. InspectorClouseau proved to be as incompetent as I expected . It became clear that this was not the Mueller Report . It was the Andrew Weissman dossier and Weissman was brought on to the team to cover up Any so called limitations to Mueller's "perview" was self imposed ,or imposed on him by the ring leaders of the cover up. He had no problem going back years before his appointment to take down Manafort . Almost none of the charges against Manafort or Gates related to so called Russian interference or collusion. So let's put this lame excuse of beyond his perview to rest for good.
How in hell could he investigate it if he did not get into the origins of the charges ? The Steele dossier Christopher Steele ,Glenn Simpson ,Fusion GPS ,their paymasters at the Evita campaign and the DNC ,and the involvement of persons like Alexander Downer ,andJoseph Mifsud were all central at the outset of the FBI probe/spying on the Trump campaign .Why was he even grillingGeorge Papadopoulos if not for investigating the origins ?
BTW ,if you think Mueller's lame feeble perfomance in testimony was some age related issue ;I refer you to his stonewalling in front of the same congressional committees when the FBI covered up the emperor's abuses related to the IRS scandal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x6P...lgW3NuzkKLkPCY
Nice try Tomder, conflating a bunch of stuff together to make the narrative that Mueller found NOTHING! He wasn't there for style points, and clearly refuted the big lie of the dufus being exonerated of collusion and obstruction, and confirmed the main issue of the RUSSIANS interfered and the Dufus welcomed it.
I get you have questions about other things, clearly still under scrutiny in other quarters, and the dominant party and sycophant Barr can check it out, but on this REPORT the conclusions are clear and verified by even the Dufus intel community. Moron Moscow Mitch is blocking any efforts to deal with THAT issue.
exoneration happens when a conviction is reversed and is not in the "purview" of a prosecutor .Mueller's use of the term was just more nonsense. Either he found evidence that warrants an indictment or he didn't .And he said a number of times he didn't . Whether there was Russian "interference " or not is all well and good . What Mueller did not establish was that Trump conspired with the Russians in their efforts .
How could any of that be established when Mueller all but denied in testimony of ever hearing of Glenn Simpson ? He did not know that Simpson met withNatalia Veselnitskaya immediately before and immediately after the Trump Tower meeting , Did he interview Julian Assange to find out if WikiLeaks really got the "hacked" DNC emails from the Russians ? NO.
Part one of his report was vague on how Wiki got them . Assange denies his source was Russian .Further he said he'd welcome being interviewed about he obtained the DNC material . Did Mueller or the FBI take possession of the DNC server ? or did the FBI allow the DNC to use their own people atCrowdStrike, to clean up the server even though it was allegedly evidence in a criminal case ? When evidence from the DNC server was submitted to the FBI it was heavily redacted so we really do not know and there is no proof given that the GRU through Guccifer 2 was the hacker .The report's language was that (GRU)Unit 26165 officers appear to have stolen thousands of emails and attachments
He allowed CrowdStrike and the Democratic Party’s legal counsel to decide what investigators could and could not see ;surrendering the ability to independently vet their claims. The government also took CrowdStrike's word that "no redacted information concerned the attribution of the attack to Russian actors."
Mueller does not even present sufficient evidence that the Russian government was behind it . He says the social media campaign waged by Russian was done by an alleged private entity called Internet Research Agency (IRA).Mueller never established the link between IRA and the Russian government.
So you will excuse me if I find the claim of Russian interference and Trump conspiring with them less than established .
Didn't bother to read the report, nor listen to the testimony. If you did you would not be making the lack of evidence against the dufus for conpiracy a talking point, nor the lack of evidence against the Russians some incompetence against the report. There is a whole detailed section of the Russian interference, and most of those things were turned over to the FBI and since you cannot indict a sitting president the Mueller Team chose not to pursue what evidence they did have on that subject. Administration obstruction, destroying evidence and non response was cited in the report, as well as testimony. I think you have gotten to the point of allegations without factual background that is readily available to the public, so no excuse for such a diatribe, but none of us is privvy to the redacted portions of the report, or the details of the other investigations in progress which is at least 9 by my count, and 14 as reported by some.
Just want to bring up the FBI release that just came out citing the role of Russia in hacking all 50 states election data, and still you don't even acknowledge Moscow Mitch obstructing even Bi partisan measure nor connect the dots or raise a peep to the money trail that leads to his back pocket from previously sanctioned Russian oligarchs and companies. Naw the right and repubs ain't got a peep to say about any of those things. Wonder why?
I must be missing something here. It got one republican vote in the House. In what way was it bi-partisan?Quote:
Bi partisan measure
There are some measures being considered in the Senate that are bi-partisan. Maybe that was your reference?
All these different threads. Sometimes I forget which one I'm on.
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You can attribute too old age and feebleness that Robert Mueller didn't know there is no such thing as "exoneration" in our justice system and our laws and that no prosecutor has ever "exonerated" anyone. But even scarier, the House Judiciary Chairman didn't know that?
Well the dufus and Barr sure took it and ran with it for weeks before we got the lowdown it was a LIE! If there is no such thing, then can we assume that the dufus is GUILTY of obstruction and the conspiracy allegation needs a deeper look? Why Not? Maybe review my posting on the subject and my opinion that there is plenty of stuff we could charge the dufus with before he leaves office as I don't buy the DOJ policy that a sitting Prez can't be indicted.
In our country, no, you cannot assume that.Quote:
can we assume that the dufus is GUILTY of obstruction
Sure you can but not in a court of law and we are not and there is enough evidence to say dude dufus is dirty!
The Dem bill is political theater . Notice how the Dems made this an issue right before the Mueller testimony where the only coherent thing he said was that there continues to be an election threat . Show me one voting machine that was compromised in 2012 . For all the bluster ;you can't find one . Money was already allocated from previous spending bills for election infrastructure support and many states have yet to implement the provisions of that bill .
https://www.wsj.com/articles/states-...article_inline
The truth is that their bill has nothing to do with election security .It is the opposite . It is actually a bid to seize control of local elections, prohibit measures that prevent voter fraud, and compel the use of ballot handling procedures that are easily manipulated.Under the provisions of H.R. 1, all jurisdictions are required to use no-fault absentee ballots, which can be conveniently filled out and submitted from home. They have given rise to a practice called ballot harvesting, in which activists track down voters, "help" them fill out their ballots, and then offer to submit them.How can the nationwide imposition of no-fault absentee ballots possibly be construed as an election security measure to counter Russian meddling ?
How does a law that prevents states from implementing voter id laws have anything to do with securing the ballot from Russian meddling ? If anything it removes a protection . It makes the ballot less secure .
Compelling states to accept votes from convicted and even currently imprisoned felons does nothing to prevent Russian interference.
And I have not even scratched the surface about all the provisions in the bill intended to nationalize our election system replacing it with a Democrat wish list . Just look at all the sub-titles of the bill to see how comprehensive a change this bill would be to our electoral system .
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...ill/1/all-info
They can fool you into thinking this is about Russian meddling .But it doesn't fool me .
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...ummary-content
So which of these provisions did you abject to along with repubs and why? Here is the blocked Senate bill.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...bill/1540/text
I know, a lot of reading between innings!
neither do I . I find the legalities of the decision dubious.Quote:
I don't buy the DOJ policy that a sitting Prez can't be indicted.
I do not believe the Framers intended to insulate a sitting president from indictment.It has been in place for a long time ;long before Trump. .
However while Mueller says that it would have been unfairly prejudicial to Trump to recommend charges when the president would not have been able to defend himself ;he somehow thinks it was perfectly fair to Trump for Mueller to publish his evidence in a document written for exploitation by congressional Democrats and the media.
Clearly us missed that the Mueller investigation predates the Barr investigation into the origins . He is outright lying when he says it was not in his purview. He was clearly given the mandate in the appointment letter by Rosenstein.Quote:
You were so astonished that you missed that Steele/FISA warrants were part of another investigation by someone else? What else did you miss?
Anyone who watched the hearing would have a hard time defending Mueller. I felt sorry for him. He seemed completely lost.
Perhaps you could extend your comments to incompetent
I was trying to be a little kind.Quote:
Perhaps you could extend your comments to incompetent
If you wanted a performance you should watch the Academy Awards, or a good movie. The hearings were none of that but a serious airing of the facts found in Muellers Report. Leave it to conservatives to take style points and loud noise over substance, and ignore the facts.
The fact is that it became clear while listening to the hearings was that Mueller was a figurehead and the real work of the investigation and report itself was produced by that pit bull goon Andrew Weissman . I recognized his Gestapo tactics early on because I witnessed the same garbage during his prosecutions of Enron and the Arthur Anderson accounting firm.
Weissman's prosecution of Arthur Anderson accounting firm cost 100,000 people their jobs . SCOTUS later UNANIMOUSLY overturned the conviction .The defendants in the Enron case filed multiple complaints about Weissman threatening witnesses. The judge had to assure lawyers for witnesses that their clients could meet with the Enron defendants without the government’s permission and that the government could not target witnesses for prosecution based on their cooperation with the defendants. Weissman's conduct was noted and he abruptly resigned from the Enron task force and the DOJ in the middle of jury deliberations indicates that he was forced out by the DOJ .His resignation came following trial testimony from two witnesses that “based on discussions with the Task Force before their testimony, they both felt threatened by a possible indictment if they testified on behalf of the defendants.”
The conduct of the Mueller task force was if anything even more brutal . Roger Stone and his wife were woken by a pre-dawn raid of their home . CNN was tipped and was there in full force to cover the raid and Stone's arrest . This happened AFTER Stone had already agreed to surrender himself. They extracted a confession from General Flynn after they threatened prosecution against his son. There is real doubt even among the FBI agents that sat in on the Flynn interview that he actually perjured himself .It was Weissman that orchestrated the Gestapo-like pre-dawn raid on Manafort in his home, holding him and his family at gunpoint (although all of them were unarmed and posed no threat to federal agents). Manafort spent 8 months locked up in solitary confinement because he attempted to contact someone to serve as a witness for his defense. The purpose was not because Manafort was too dangerous or for his protection . The purpose was to break his will . It was torture pure and simple .Manafort is now in a wheelchair . Jerome Corsi is suing the Special Council office after he turned down a plea deal that would've had him lie.
It was recently revealed that Weissman went to the lawyers of a Ukraine oligarch with a deal that if they lied about Trump and they would make his 2014 criminal charges go away . Weissman gave them specific instructions on which lies about Trump to tell .
So Weissman's foot print was all over the case .
I was actually referring to the substance. The loud noise, as best I could tell, came from the dems.Quote:
Leave it to conservatives to take style points and loud noise over substance, and ignore the facts.
I've read the right wing attacks on Weissman, and the ones on Mueller, so no surprise discrediting the report targets the ones who worked on it. Laughable that you make grifters and opportunist like Page, and Stone some kind of heroes in the process, but now that the FIRST shoe has fallen, more may yet fall too. Going after rich bad guys really bums you guys out huh?
Not one repub asked Mueller about the Russians. Guess they were more interested in protecting the dufus than the nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
My reference was not to the report. My reference was to Mueller himself.
You are living in your fantasy world again. I never mentioned any of those people.Quote:
Laughable that you make grifters and opportunist like Page, and Stone some kind of heroes in the process,
If any shoe has fallen, it is a shoe for a newborn. Good luck with that. The absolute hatred of Trump is reaching ever greater heights.Quote:
but now that the FIRST shoe has fallen, more may yet fall too
Denial, and derision is the typical MO for you, but you aren't the only poster here so please learn how to duck, and save yourself such a mistake of getting in the way of things aimed at others. Meanwhile the dufus seeks to replace DNI Coates with his handpicked sycophant who like other repubs, chose to attack Mueller instead of inquire about the Russian cyber attack like everyone has acknowledged with facts and evidence including a bi partisan senate committee.
https://www.politico.com/newsletters...-action-696550
https://www.tampabay.com/florida-pol...know-and-when/
Coates' replacement Repub Ratcliffe has zero intelligence experience. Among his more bizarre comments there is included this about the Mueller Report, "(The Report) was not authorized to be written". No one knows what the HADES he's talking about.
One of Trump's reptiles from the Trump swamp, Ratcliffe is more of the same. He is also the nitwit who referred to the Democratic members of the committee as "socialists". He's prone to foot-in-mouth disease so Bone-Spur Donald will probably try to hide him.
And just because you don't agree he is a nitwit. From my persepective, it seems the Demonrats think everyone who doesn't agree with them is a nitwit, however, the opposite may be true it may just be a chorus of nitwits agreeing with each otherQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
It was just more of the well-reasoned analysis from the folks who believe in tolerance and civility. The way some of these posts virtually drip with hatred and anger is really quite a sight to see.
Would you be dripping with anger if you were fed a steady dose of lies, deceit, and incompetence? Think about what was said this morning. The dufus gives money to farmers as a subsidy that he gets from the tariffs he puts on China. Who makes money from all that technology that was sold to Saudi Arabia and the senate could not stop it? A dufus sycophant donor is the answer.
Of course you tolerate the lies and don't get angry, because you probably don't know these things are going on. Maybe you should question what YOU tolerate from this lying, cheating dufus before you criticize what others don't, JL.
When I see the Dems howling at the moon then I know it was probably a good appointment.
If you mean one of our Texas congress persons like Ratcliff then maybe you should at least google his qualifications for such an important appointment. Maybe there is a good reason to howl about the people the dufus nominates.
I don't know of any greater example of lying and deceit in recent memory than the lying and deceit that went on with Obama and Benghazi. I'll bet you did not respond to that in any manner at all and certainly not even close to what you say about Trump.Quote:
Would you be dripping with anger if you were fed a steady dose of lies, deceit, and incompetence?
And as to incompetence, you voted for absolutely the most incompetent candidate for pres of my lifetime in HC.
Now you see how it works? It is very easy to make political observations without engaging in low-class name calling and hateful comments.
And maybe you should realize a simple fact. That knife cuts both ways.Quote:
Of course you tolerate the lies and don't get angry, because you probably don't know these things are going on. Maybe you should question what YOU tolerate from this lying, cheating dufus before you criticize what others don't, JL.
You can't take part of a quote ignore the rest and try to scold me with it. Then run your own half truths and skewed version.
"Would you be dripping with anger if you were fed a steady dose of lies, deceit, and incompetence? Think about what was said this morning. The dufus gives money to farmers as a subsidy that he gets from the tariffs he puts on China. Who makes money from all that technology that was sold to Saudi Arabia and the senate could not stop it? A dufus sycophant donor is the answer."
My responses are in the archives of this forum from when it was a Current Event. I wasn't making an observation, just questioning his REAL TIME lies...yet again.
Ratcliffe exposed as the source of the infamous FBI "Secret Society" hoax!
This nitwit is the clown Trump wants to head the intelligence efforts of the US.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You just can't make this stuff up!
Starting a little over two years ago. Silent before then when all kinds of lying was going on.Quote:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
TDS.
I don't like the guy. I'd rather have someone else, but I hope I can have some sort of consistency in the kind of ethics I expect from a pres. He's done nothing, in my view, that has risen to the level of HC and her amateur email server being used for national security transmissions, and then being professionally wiped clean along with her dozen or so cell phones being destroyed by hammer blows.
and that wasn't the real reason for the server. She did it so she could conduct the Clintoon Foundation pay for play and play for access scheme under the radar.Quote:
her amateur email server being used for national security transmissions,
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