O God, do not remain silent; do not turn a deaf ear, do not stand aloof, O God. See how your enemies growl, how your foes rear their heads. With cunning they conspire against your people; they plot against those you cherish. “Come,” they say, “let us destroy them as a nation, so that Israel’s name is remembered no more.” With one mind they plot together; they form an alliance against you— the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, of Moab and the Hagrites, Byblos, Ammon and Amalek, Philistia, with the people of Tyre. Even Assyria has joined them to reinforce Lot’s descendants.
Psalm 83

Nice fable.

No karma it actually demonstrates how long the animonosity between the arabs and the jews has existed and that there is no solution. What the arabs couldn't do the romans did and for nineteen hundred years the jews did not occupy palestine but having reestablised the state of Israel the UN has a responsibility to protect it, a responsibility they seem to have abrogated

Nice fable.

Iraq dictator Saddam Hussein lives on in Islamic State, ISIS

It becomes more and more obvious that the west doesn't understand the middle east and should exit. There is no point in fighting an islamist war for them no matter how dreadfull the combatants appear. This is a generational war, it will not end soon. Just as the palestinian war has become a generational war, the war in Iraq and Syria will become generational and this war is ancient with combatants whose ancestors contested the same territory. This what the west doesn't understand; unfinished business.. Iran and the shiites on one side, Saud and the sunni's on the other. This is the monster that Bush unleashed

Perhaps Tal you think this is another fable however Israel is safe while these protagonists fight each other but for them the ancient enemies also persist. Who, for example, do you think the gazans are, just palestinians? well some might be, but there is more. And who do you think the palestinians are? Tom is right, this fight has existed for a long time. Ancient peopels whether jew or ismaelite want their land back. Tom maybe Obama understands this

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I agree. The amount of money the US gives to Israel (billions of dollars each year) is a crime considering the goos that could be done on their own soil with that money.

NK's heart is with those who want to destroy Israel and ethnically cleanse the Levant .

You're an idiot who puts words in people's mouths. That how you "discuss".

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The emperor loves the Muslim word like brothers from a different mother. He also hates Israel with a flaming passion. When you understand that then all else falls into place.

There is a solution, but neither side in the ME (There are MANY sides) wants it. They rather talk crap to each other while furthering their own agendas (leaders, NOT populations). Doesn't help at all that there are many factions, both rich and poor, trying to be major players, and policy makers.

Not everyone slobbers over the Israeli position, allies or not. They keep expanding into the disputed territories and fencing in the Palestinians instead of drawing a line for a map, and being done with it. The Palestinians have Hamas screwing up their own position through terrorism. Can't blame Israel for being scared, but I would like to put a boot in both their arses though.

Thats why Nettie has to scare up the votes to keep power, like his American counterparts.

Tomder rule #1 : if you don't embrace something with all your heart you obviously hate it with a passion. Once you understand that bity of lack of logic then all else falls into place. This is true of most neo-cons actiually.

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They keep expanding into the disputed territories and fencing in the Palestinians instead of drawing a line for a map, and being done with it. The Palestinians have Hamas screwing up their own position through terrorism. .

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Tal what part of building a filthy great wall is drawing a line on a map do you not understand? The jews have no intention of ceding Juresalem to the arabs that one point is as much a sticking point as any other

The news regarding ISIS is becoming more bizairre, they have time to fight statues and molest 9 year old girls and to invade a refugee camp, meanwhile the Iraqi rest on their laurels, it is though everyone takes a rest from the fighting

because Mosul and Fallujah won't be as easy a nut to crack as Tikriti .

Yes they will be fighting the insurgency all over again there, I expect they will leave that until they have swept ISIS from the rest of Iraq and I expect the militias don't have a taste for long fights as they start to come into winter

You may as well trade your daily news freakout for a yearly one ad diversify your entertainment menu a bit Clete. Its going to be a long decade. Invest in popcorn.

What you are saying Tal is that this will become just another local fracas like Syria in which no one is interested, just a disturbance in the arab world

No, Clete that's what you are saying.

Well Ok Tal but popcorn is such an american thing I prefer cashew and macadamia nuts. So are you telling me that Iraq is another Afghanistan ? I think we already knew that. As to the daily news bit, news is scarse these days because there is no interest over there and so there is no flow except for Al Zazerra

We are now going to be in for another two years of razzamatazz and all sense of reality will go out the window

Your reality will always be just outside your window, and no the sky is not falling, but take an umbrella just in case.

The sky doesn't fall where I come from Tal we reserve that for people in northern climes. I think you have lost you appitite because victories are hard to come by and when you get them they are only pyrric anyway, oh for the days when you could bomb their brains out

Evolution and progress is a little to messy for your taste. Sit on the sidelines, and holler about how good you are. We have plenty of bombs still if you REALLY want something to holler about.

Yep talk is cheap, you used them once and then decided carpet bombing is more useful but you don't even do that anymore, a little something about civilian populations who you worry about when it suits you

I think is is more that Daesh is the only game in town