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Really... How about his last speech where he claimed he was willing to negotiate with the House..Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
EVERYTHING he has ever said about Obamacare...
And his claiming shutting down AND BARRACADING the National parks was due to the Shutdown. THere have been 17 shutdowns in my adult life and not once was a park ever baracaded off during ONE of them.
The first amendment gives you wingers the right to free speech, but reasonable people of conscious and good will have a right to call you LOONY.
>waiting for right wing humor to kick in<
http://evolutionforum.info/yabbfiles...r_ass2_002.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
A self portrait, or wishful thinking? Or no wonder you have a hard time swallowing.
Not... thats the average Democrat. If Obama claimed he was abducted by aliens tomorrow... they would accept it whole heartedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Just like they believed all of Obamas Claims about Obamacare... and despite every one of them being proven grossely wrong they still believe its going to save everyone money and give everyone better care... despite a complete lack of proof. ANd in the face of overwhelming proof it will do the exact opposite.
I'm not particularly concerned with tiptoeing around people that called Bush "dufus" and regularly portray conservatives as the source of all evil so no, I'll continue to call him the Messiah, emperor, dictator or whatever else seems appropriate at the time, he's earned it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I can't imagine living in a country where I hate half the population. Why don't you move to another country where you'd be happier? You seem to really dislike most americans who aren't like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoother
Where do you get the authority to make that claim... you don't even live in the USA... so how would you know what the average American thinks?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
The fact is People that consider themselves liberal... are the minority here... in fact only 17%
How Americans Identify 2013
You regularly paint people who are liberal as idiots.Quote:
Where do you get the authority to make that claim
If the shoe fits.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Many of them are... most of the rest are con-artists taking advantage of the others.
It's not half and half, and in light of your posts today it's ironic you would call him a hater.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Well there you go.Thanks for proving my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
The point you don't know what you are talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
On the subject at hand...
But hey, 5 people in Iowa managed to buy coverage.Quote:
The ObamaCare Website – The Biggest Tech Gaggle Ever?
Despite the quiet here on this subject thus far at SiliconANGLE we have been keeping our eyes on what is possibly the biggest tech topic happening in the news right now. The issue at hand is the launch of ObamaCare online. It’s a hot topic that is philosophically dividing the country right now along political lines, along socio-economic lines, along just about every line there is to be divided over, many Thanksgivings could get cancelled over this (there’s also this big government shutdown) – it’s that contentious. Regardless of the variety of places to hear whatever facts and justification align with how you feel about the program, it is undeniable that this launch has been an incredible technical failure. Straight up – an absolute failure.
404, Not Available- Could it Get Worse?
Everywhere you look there are reports of issues across the board in just its first 8 days. Reports of the site just not being available. Reports of people unable to even create accounts. Those are just the first steps. Many people have reported being unable to sign up at all, or getting caught up in loops of reset passwords and lost accounts. If you’re lucky, once those things are clear, you can shop and select a health plan. It’s not just reports, I saw this myself when I personally tried on the third day to see what my costs would be, my browser was in la-la land stuck waiting with an hourglass for 5 hours just to get in to generate my profile. And then I got kicked off. I haven’t been back.
It was the emperor's design to distract everyone from the disastrous launch of Obamcare with his manufactured twin crisis of shutdown and debt crisis.
Hello again, tom:Too bad it didn't work. The Republican debacle took center stage.Quote:
it was the emperor's design to distract everyone from the disastrous launch of Obamcare with his manufactured twin crisis of shutdown and debt crisis.
Excon
Not even in Pittsburgh PA is Obamacare wanted. And that area is heavily Democrat.
Sebelius Embarrassed at ObamaCare Signup Event - Fox Nation
Heinz field seats 60,000 but only 100 showed up.
The emperor's home town Chicago Tribune lowered the boom...
They also addressed the broken promises...Quote:
If you’ve tried to sign up online for health coverage under the problem-plagued Obamacare exchange, our sympathies. Many people have tried to create accounts and shop for insurance under the new law. Few have succeeded. Those that have enrolled have found that the system is prone to mistakes. Some applications have been sent to the wrong insurance company…
• Illinois officials boasted that insurance premiums here would be lower than expected. But the Tribune reported Sunday that 21 of the 22 lowest-priced plans offered for Cook County residents have whopping annual deductibles of more than ,000 for an individual and ,000 for family coverage. That’s much more than many families can afford to pay.
• The Obama administration delayed issuing major rules to set up the exchanges until after the 2012 presidential election and refused to push back the Oct. 1 launch date, lest Republicans take political advantage, The New York Times reported on Sunday.
• Sloppy design of the architecture of the computer system, not simply an overload of users, created the problems that are blocking people from applying online for coverage, The Wall Street Journal reported last week.
“These are not glitches,” an insurance executive who has participated in many conference calls on the federal exchange told the Times. “The extent of the problems is pretty enormous. At the end of our calls, people say, ‘It’s awful, just awful.’ ”
But that's the progressive way, instead of lifting others up they drag others down to make things 'fair.' Who gives a damn about fair if you make it more expensive for everyone else while narrowing their choices and lessening the quality of care?Quote:
There are more problems. People who have individual insurance coverage are finding that Obama’s oft-repeated promise — “if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan” — is just not true. They are being told by insurers that their existing plans expire on Dec. 31 and they must choose new coverage. They’re learning that insurers managed to offer lower-cost plans by narrowing the networks of hospitals and doctors that are available or by upping the out-of-pocket expenses. Unless people are careful in selecting coverage, they may be surprised to find they have to pay much more for out-of-network care to go to their doctors or get treated at the best hospitals.
And yet we have MSNBC news guy asking GOP Rep Marsha Blackburn, “Do you hate ObamaCare more than you love your country?” She missed the obvious retort about loving Obamacare more than you love your country but perhaps she was just being civil, unlike the haters on the left.
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The haters of the left post here every day, so it's nice to see a rebuttal. :D
You have had your fight, a noble, principled one, But you lose this round that's obvious. Have heart, as I know you guys will pick another fight down the road.
I don't give a damn about any fight, I liked my insurance, I can't afford huge deductibles and premiums, I hate fewer choices but the emperor had to come along and screw that all up. Leave us the hell alone and mind your own business for a change instead of screwing life up for hard working responsible people. Got it? That's what we're pi$$ed about, not that you want health care for all - you didn't have to screw it all up and jack with our lives in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Have you been told there will be changes? Mine hasn't changed. My private-pay son's hasn't changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Is that all you got out of my response?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
You won't answer my question?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again,
I HAVE the answer.. It MAY be the disaster you wingers proclaim it to be, but like I said, you're the same people who told me about the death panels, and that wasn't true. So, you have NO credibility on the issue.
So, I'm a supporter of Obamacare. But, I'm not an idiot. If it PROVES to be the disaster you've said it is, then I'll help repeal it. So will every reasonable American..
So, relax. Let things take place, and when tal and me get pissed off at it, we'll tell you it's time. It's EASY, huh? No more heartache. Everybody wins.
excon
Hello again,
Uhhhh, one more thing.. If it fails, it MUST be remembered that it was a REPUBLICAN plan, after all.
excon
This is not about my credibility, story after story about the broken promises, higher costs, lowered choices and the all-out disaster - even from former admin officials - and you guys blow it off. If you won't listen to real people being affected and supporters of the law's criticisms who will you listen to?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I repeat, this isn't just picking a fight to me, you're messing with my life and I rightfully resent that.
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I don't give a damn about any fight, I liked my insurance, I can't afford huge deductibles and premiums, I hate fewer choices but the emperor had to come along and screw that all up. Leave us the hell alone and mind your own business for a change instead of screwing life up for hard working responsible people. Got it? That's what we're pi$$ed about, not that you want health care for all - you didn't have to screw it all up and jack with our lives in the process.
How so?Quote:
you're messing with my life
Can't you read, I didn't mumble.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You just don't make enough money, work harder.
Let me come screw with your life and see how you like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hello again, Steve:
I agree. It's NOT about you.. The "you" I was referring to, is the euphemistic "you", that includes ALL the writers, of ALL the stories, about ALL the broken promises, and yada yada yada.Quote:
This is not about my credibility, story after story about the broken promises, higher costs, lowered choices and the all-out disaster
You lost this battle. There's only ONE way now. Let it fail on its own accord...
BUT, and there's always a but... What I REALLY think you're afraid of, is that it'll WORK, and WORK REAL GOOD.
excon
You got stories of unhappy people that are affected in their wallets for the time being. I get that, but we got stories of real people whose chance at life is better.
My position is to try and give more people a chance at a real life through HEALTH, and we can worry about the money later. Your tales of sticker shock, broken promises, and politics, pales greatly when a child with a brain tumor gets a chance at life.
Was I not plain enough twice?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
That's always been my bottom line argument, stop messing with my life. You guys used to always complain about government intrusion into our lives and this regime has been more intrusive than anyone, and unlike you I don't see any common sense in implementing bad programs and hoping for the best, that's just asinine.Quote:
I don't give a damn about any fight, I liked my insurance, I can't afford huge deductibles and premiums, I hate fewer choices but the emperor had to come along and screw that all up. Leave us the hell alone and mind your own business for a change instead of screwing life up for hard working responsible people. Got it? That's what we're pi$$ed about, not that you want health care for all - you didn't have to screw it all up and jack with our lives in the process.
Remember, the name of this disaster is the "Affordable" Care Act and the emperor promised over and over not to worry, we would still have our insurance and doctors and cheaper care. That's BS and you know it. Even your neighbors know it.
Why your health insurance premium could increase under the Affordable Care Act | KATU Investigators | KATU.com - Portland News, Sports, Traffic Weather and Breaking News - Portland, Oregon
But don't believe me.Quote:
TIGARD, Ore. – Is the Affordable Health Care Act making health care unaffordable for some people?
Some customers of Regence Blue Cross Blue Shield, one of Oregon’s largest insurance providers, say that's exactly what's happening. They say they are finding their health care plans are dramatically changing under the Affordable Care Act.
“Policy holders are seeing almost double their monthly premiums,” said a KATU viewer named Larry in an email. He said his wife’s premium will increase by 0 under the Affordable Care Act.
Dude, you're a broken record. We all want people to have care, but why are you screwing it up for the rest of us? I admire the intent, but this is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
All of you won't be screwed but many will have to make adjustments, but they benefit more than they harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You over state the 'rest of us" and conflate it to "ALL of us" which is an inaccurate false assumption. What you regret is you have to pay more because the price of EVERY damn thing is going up, from toilet paper to health care, and that's reality.
There are no instant results or quick fixes, just progress whether you see it, or feel it.
Doubling someone's expenses is an "adjustment" like the Obamacare website disaster is a "glitch." How would you like it if I forced you to spend several hundred dollars a month more?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You still haven't answered my question. Have YOUR health insurance premiums gone up?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
And you haven't answered mine, is that all you got out of my response?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I still don't know what this year will bring, but if it's like last year our deductibles will again double and the premiums will increase. We've already been feeling the effects of Obamacare for quite some time now, and the examples of sticker shock and broken promises continue to grow. I can't afford any more "affordable" health care.
Hello again, Steve:
Maybe it doesn't mean YOU.. Maybe it means the people who COULDN'T afford it before.Quote:
Remember, the name of this disaster is the "Affordable" Care Act
excon
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