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So we can support these guys .
Report: Saudis sent death-row inmates to fight Syria
Russia is trying to get Syria to place their cw stock under international supervision.
Russia calls on Syria to give up control of its chemical weapons
And Kerry speaks 'rhetorically ' .
Kerry speaking rhetorically over Syria turning in weapons: State Department | Reuters
Hello again, smoothy:
The problem with YOU guys, is you have NO idea what's going on over there... Here's a good example... Michelle Bachmann, STILL doesn't know who attacked us on 9/11. Speaking about the Muslim Brotherhood, here's what she said in Cairo the other day,Didja see those nut jobs Louie Ghomert and Steve King there too? They're YOUR people, aren't they?Quote:
We are here as members of Congress to say, we are with you, and we encourage you.
We stand against this great evil. We remember who caused 9/11. We remember who it was that killed 3000 brave Americans.
Bwa, ha ha ha ha.
Excon
And I suppose you actually do?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Are you aware the same news YOU watch was telling you Obama never drew a red line... when he has done it no less than 6 times previously... ON Video tape?
And you still believe what they tell you? Bwaaa hahaha...
Has Obbama ever NOT lied about something yet? I have seen ZERO proof that Assad ordered this... and in fact Assad has zero reason to do it... and every reason NOT to do it.
Most of the Lamestream media produces propaganda shows... because an Actual NEWS show would require facts and things to be true... something that is very inconvienint for the propaganda that they want to push on the suckers that believe anything they are told... "because it was on the News...it must be true".
Cripes... the things I have actually seen unfiltered have rarely been portrayed accuratly on the news... why should I believe everything I haven't would be any different?
And that my friends is "leading from behind" with "smart power."Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Kerry may yet prove to be the statesman of the hour, finding a solution to military force and escalation of conflict
What is it they say... about an infinite number monkeys banging away on and infinite number of typewriters eventually typing the collective works of Shakespeare?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Because when he first said that... the administration was saying he misspoke... and then flip-flopped to cover their collective butts.
And it turns out to be a far better IDEA than the Bloviating the POTUS has been spewing lately.
What would YOU do?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Since you ask... I'd let them kill each other and just make sure it all stays inside their own borders. It's a civil war... we have no national interests in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
What about the women and children and old people? Why not put the men in a big room and let them duke it out?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I can be a cold hearted SOB sometimes... this is one of those times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
It's their war... let them fight it.
Assad never even threatened us until after OweBama repeatedly threatened him with what are acts of war against a nation that never threatened us.
I agree. And our getting into won't resolve anything. It will be Iraq all over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
And we have been down that road before.Quote:
Assad never even threatened us until after OweBama repeatedly threatened him with what are acts of war against a nation that never threatened us.
Vietnam?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Not really ETC... Grenada there was a reason... Iraq... cease fire agreements... Afghanistan - harboring Al Queda...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
*humming softly to myself*Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I watch what's said here and what is my take?someone thinks it's all the fault of men, like women don't take up arms, another says leave them to it, my views exactly, if they aren't interested in protecting their families from conflict, why do we take up the burden. I know because the US whatever the colour of its president must assume the white man's burden, and this is all it is, try to civilise the natives by uncivilised actions. We "Christians", and I use the term advisedly, have been trying to civilise the natives for centuries and where has it got us, at war with the most uncivilised group on the planet, Muslims, or more correctly, because we must always be correct, radical Islam. And when these people want to fight among themselves we still want to interfere, to "guide" the outcome. There used to be a song in the days of Vietnam "
Where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?
Where have all the flowers gone? Long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone? Long time ago
Where have all the flowers gone? Young girls picked them, everyone
When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?
Where have all the young girls gone? Long time passing
Where have all the young girls gone? Long time ago
Where have all the young girls gone? Taken husbands everyone
When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?
Where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?
Where have all the young men gone? Long time passing
Where have all the young men gone? Long time ago
Where have all the young men gone? Become soldiers everyone
When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?
Where have all the soldiers gone? Long time passing
Where have all the soldiers gone? Long time ago
Where have all the soldiers gone? Gone to graveyards, everyone
Oh, when will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?
Where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?
Tell me where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?
Where have all the flowers gone? Long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone? Long time ago
Where have all the flowers gone? Gone to graveyards, everyone
When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?
Where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?
Tell me where have all the flowers gone?
Where have all the flowers gone?
Read more: Dolly Parton - Where Have All The Flowers Gone Lyrics | MetroLyrics
Pete Seeger finished writing that back in 1961.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
And Vietman finished in "65" or was it "75" it was so long ago and in the light of today so unimportant because it achieved nothing which is the point of the song all the soldiers lie in their graves and that is exactly how it will be if there is war over Syria.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Back in those days america was in the grip of puff the magic dragon and what has changed, men dreaming drug induced dreams of glory
Maybe '65 for the French... but it was '74 I think it was for us... might have been 75.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I was in the 9th grade and remember the videos on the news as we pulled out of Saigon.
Proof measured responses are the WRONG way to fight a war. You need to fight it to win it or don't bother at all.
I had two Uncles and a Cousin in it (two of them special forces)... and some close friends... excon was actually there.
No it was the fifties for the French, I remember the loss well I missed the Vietnam war, too old for the draft but I knew people who went, screwed them up good. The point of Vietnam is you can't win against a determined population without taking extraordinary measures. Fighting wars on someoneelse's ground is never the way to go. Sometimes it has to be done but not every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
We have to get out of our heads, get out of the theory and the rhetoric, out of the manipulations and realise that people must be left to their own determination. Syria is not a party to the treaty on chemical weapons therefore unless they are used outside Syria no matter how awful the prospect we stay out of it and not impose our ideas on them. We merrily went about imposing our ideas on Iraq and where did it get us, not very far and certainly not where we wanted to be
Syria and Russia may be agreeing to a plan to turn over its gas stockpile to be destroyed.
Syrian welcomes Russian offer to keep chemical weapons
Not that I trust Assad or Putin. I still think Congress should authorize a military strike. Just in case we need a credible threat to hold over them and prevent a stall tactic.
It's all about you isn't it, not satisfied with getting a result you have to say my way or the highway after all we have some old tomahawks we want to set off
Its about getting chemical weapons out of the hands of a lying loony madman. Sorry if you hate Americans/Muslims/Asians, blah, blah, so much that the only acceptable outcome is our come up pence.
I am sure you will get over it... or not. Sit safely in your Island paradise, and cry some more about how the NEW people are ruining the country. But we all have our growing pains to contend with.
No You don't get it, even BO says its an acceptable outcome, so It isn't me who is warmongering Tal, but you, and you are out of step with your leader. We would all like the war in Syria to stop but realistically it isn't going to happen the best we can hope for is to quarantine the really nasty stuff
Yes we get the backwash of your wars, tramatised people arriving on our doorstep. If you are so concerned about them take them in, all 42 Million of them. You want others to take responsibility for your mess, correction messes, and yet you want to make this one worse. We don't have the economic resourses to take large numbers of these people and the numbers have been increasing. Maybe you can absorb millions of illegal arrivals in your pseudo slave system, but we can't absorb these increasing numbers and we have recognised it by diverting international aid to fix some local issues after all why should we give a bigger percentage of our income than you do
We have a right to hang out the full sign and be choosy about the thousands we settle here each year. Yes the imports are ruining our country we only have to look at the names of the offenders to see what is happening. We see our own indigenous involved in nuiance offences and the serious offenders come from outside our society. We had an Afghan refugee knife another the other day, way to go in your new country. Middle East gangs deal drugs and shoot up their enemies ah la Lebanon, and smuggle their own kind on leaking boats
1st step would be to admit he has them... which he won't because they are strategic weapons .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I wish I could say this is total nonsense . But I heard former General Wesley Clark spew similar pablum on the talk show circuit last week. He essentially said that we have to act because the use of cw can't be tolerated in "our world ... the world we created after WWII". Clark was a dangerous person when he was in the Army . He almost single handidy started at war with Russia in the Balkans . He was the commander at Ft Hood when troops from the base were deployed to take down the Branch Davidians.Quote:
I know because the US whatever the colour of its president must assume the white man's burden, and this is all it is, try to civilise the natives by uncivilised actions.
The good news is that he is the only talking head saying such idiocy .
I don't think there is any doubt he has them but he says he hasn't used them which is a horse of a different colour. Yes their possession is strategic, for example; it prevents certain large nations from making unwanted incursionsQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Tom you know I don't talk nonsense, drivel maybe but not nonsense. There is no reason for your nation to involve itsself in Syria. It hasn't attacked your allies and just maybe some of your enemies will exhaust themselves and forget to fight you while they play at a proxy war.
The nervious nellies in Israel would like you to get involved so they don't feel so alone but they can take comfort that an unlikely ally is bottling up Hamas in Gaza.
Meanwhile it is convenient for BO to have your Congress focus on external matters and take their mind of various internal issues
I guess you haven't heard about the refugee camps that are littering the region.Quote:
Yes we get the backwash of your wars, tramatised people arriving on our doorstep.
I found it very amusing that right after he told his big whopper the Russians made their proposal. They don't believe him either. Heard Manchin say last night that 45 days to comply with giving up his gas, and sign on to the no gas treaty, or bombs away.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
If you look close enough they have Russian serial numbers on the shells.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
What cracks me up is that Kerry's throw away line to a reporter's question will be the basis for defusing this (maybe) . By the end of the week ,even though the Russians have taken the lead ,the emperor will have made the idea his own.. no doubt another Nobel Peace Prize is in the offing .
Hello again,
Can you believe it? Obama WON the war in Syria WITHOUT firing a shot. Syria is giving up its WMD's.
excon
Well maybe, but it was Kerry you can thank for the idea although he doesn't want to own it
They're buying time.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I don't think this was right off the top of his head, its was probably discussed but dismissed many times already as impossible given the Russians stance through out of this. Oil for weapons is an old game for them.
I don't dismiss totally Syria's ability to retalliate or escalate after an attack, but I do have confidence that her allies will think about further escalation that leaves their butts dangling in the wind.
No way does Russia want to be exposed either, and degrading the air defense of Syria does just that. Foreign service news is saying that defections from Assad is highly likely, and he knows it.
Hello again, Steve:
So, they can ship the WMD's to Iraq?? Isn't that where they came from??Quote:
They're buying time.
Bwa, ha ha ha.
Excon
I assure you that IF the US attacks their air defenses ,then the Russian toys will be exposed for what they are .Quote:
No way does Russia want to be exposed either, and degrading the air defense of Syria does just that.
So they can move them into human shield areas .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again,
Dudes... The war is over.. We WON!
excon
And it's running out faster than they know and I just heard that Syria has agreed to the Russian plan so the UN will probably get a plan/procedure to implement it soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
What war?. so now there is total peace and calm.. But then except for artillery... Syria was a safer place than Chicago DURING the war.
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