"Smooth the way" is liberaleze for force feeding propaganda down everyone's throats.
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"Smooth the way" is liberaleze for force feeding propaganda down everyone's throats.
Obviously there is no conceivable disaster that would get your attention. You passed right over the point of the article which was the open invitation for defrauding the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
As for your NFL "threat" you once again have it backwards. Republicans are not in control of anything and it is your beloved Obama administration that's become famous for their heavy hand toward businesses that don't toe the line, so coal industry for starters. From your "threat" :
Meanwhile, I take it you're OK with not only the "honor system" for subsidies but opening the door to stealing poor people's identities and therefore their lives.Quote:
"We have long been concerned by the Obama Administration’s record of using the threat of policy retaliation to solicit support for its policies or to silence its critics. Should the administration or its allies suggest that there will be any policy consequence for your decision not to participate in their outreach efforts, we urge you to resist any such pressure and to contact us immediately so that we may conduct appropriate oversight."
The White House threatened to veto any legislation delaying the employer mandate he's already delayed. The House passed it anyway with 35 Dems joining.
You just can't make this stuff up...
Not to worry. Reid's do nothing Senate will not take up the bill even as newly converted Tea Party member James Hoffa Jr . Demands that Congress do something about the disastrous Obamacare bill they passed .
In case you haven't read it or posted it yet... here is Hoffa's letter to Reid and Madame Mimi (this may explain why some Dems signed on to the bill the House passed )
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Dear Leader Reid and Leader Pelosi:
When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act (ACA), you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat. Right now, unless you and the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.
Like millions of other Americans, our members are front-line workers in the American economy. We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision.
Now this vision has come back to haunt us.
Since the ACA was enacted, we have been bringing our deep concerns to the Administration, seeking reasonable regulatory interpretations to the statute that would help prevent the destruction of non-profit health plans. As you both know first-hand, our persuasive arguments have been disregarded and met with a stone wall by the White House and the pertinent agencies. This is especially stinging because other stakeholders have repeatedly received successful interpretations for their respective grievances. Most disconcerting of course is last week's huge accommodation for the employer community—extending the statutorily mandated “December 31, 2013” deadline for the employer mandate and penalties.
Time is running out: Congress wrote this law; we voted for you. We have a problem; you need to fix it. The unintended consequences of the ACA are severe. Perverse incentives are already creating nightmare scenarios:
First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees' work hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous employers have begun to cut workers' hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our current health benefits.
Second, millions of Americans are covered by non-profit health insurance plans like the ones in which most of our members participate. These non-profit plans are governed jointly by unions and companies under the Taft-Hartley Act. Our health plans have been built over decades by working men and women. Under the ACA as interpreted by the Administration, our employees will treated differently and not be eligible for subsidies afforded other citizens. As such, many employees will be relegated to second-class status and shut out of the help the law offers to for-profit insurance plans.
And finally, even though non-profit plans like ours won't receive the same subsidies as for-profit plans, they'll be taxed to pay for those subsidies. Taken together, these restrictions will make non-profit plans like ours unsustainable, and will undermine the health-care market of viable alternatives to the big health insurance companies.
On behalf of the millions of working men and women we represent and the families they support, we can no longer stand silent in the face of elements of the Affordable Care Act that will destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans.
We believe that there are common-sense corrections that can be made within the existing statute that will allow our members to continue to keep their current health plans and benefits just as you and the President pledged. Unless changes are made, however, that promise is hollow.
We continue to stand behind real health care reform, but the law as it stands will hurt millions of Americans including the members of our respective unions.
We are looking to you to make sure these changes are made.
James P. Hoffa
General President
International Brotherhood of Teamsters
Joseph Hansen
International President
UFCW
D. Taylor
President
UNITE-HERE
Hello again,
You righty's have NO credibility on Obamacare... You LIED about it from the beginning, and you're LYING about it now. I wouldn't believe ANYTHING you have to say about it if your tongue came notarized. (I stole that from Judge Judy.)
It's coming out in 46 days. It'll be slick.
excon
And yet all our warnings are coming true. Hoffa sounds like one of them tri-cornered hat wearing SOBs (his words ) now that he got to read the bill Madame Mimi said would have to be passed to find out what's in it.
You in particular should be proud of it because it fit into the plan I heard from many people ,including my own REP Eliot Engle ,who said the goal is complete government control ,top down European single payer system. Well Obamacare will lead to that indeed . I don't know why the emperor defends it like he did today for anything else but what it is meant to accomplish .
Well done!! The American healthcare system had to be utterly destroyed for the plan to work and he's well on the way of achieving that goal.
LOL, always cracks me up when the "we have to pass it know what's in it" side accuses others of lying about Obamacare.
If anything, the number of unions complaining that this is not what they were promised and the number of companies not hiring or cutting hours reveals who is lying and who's being vindicated.
Hoffa says that the 40 hr week is the backbone of the labor movement... welcome to the new normal... 30 hr part time no benefits and a slew of small business "49ers " . And the Dems is the party that is labor friendly. Lololololol .
This is more of a non issue than free contraceptives. Union scale workers are not to be confused with retail and fat food union workers or ones with no union. The unions are ready to work on what's best for them and their members, and so is the white house, unlike the right who holler train wreck.
Never mind the good stuff already, or the projection of saving in the larger urban areas, or the rebates that are going out to policy holders, or the tax deductions for buying your own non employee insurance. You guys just have a lot of noise and no do for something that's important to many, even yourselves.
You just refuse to make simple common sense adjustments along the way to keep things working smoothly.
BS it is a disaster everywhere I look . The only place that comes close is in NY ;and that's because NY already had an oppressive regulatory environment driving up the costs before Obamacare came along.Quote:
Never mind the good stuff already, or the projection of saving in the larger urban areas, or the rebates that are going out to policy holders, or the tax deductions for buying your own non employee insurance. You guys just have a lot of noise and no do for something that's important to many, even yourselves.
So of course the NY Slimes holds this up as an example that the system works..
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/he...=politics&_r=0
Well yeah ,we are going from one soviet style system to another . 1 these rates ONLY effect those who purchase insurance on their own... (about 17 thousand 1 %ers statewide who could actually afford it in NY ) . So the adjustment will make individual insurance less expensive for those who can afford it while laying down massive increases on the rest of us who don't qualify for subsidies . Thanks a lot !
Guess it went from unread to unenforced .Quote:
LOL, always cracks me up when the "we have to pass it know what's in it"
If you had made simple common sense adjustments instead of ramming this down our throats against overwhelming opposition we wouldn't be here constantly reporting on how ed up your law is and the admin would be boasting non-stop of how awesome it is instead of delaying his "train wreck" and assuring us they're "on schedule."
From the department of lowered Obamacare expectations: This video.
The train wreck is right on schedule.
Exactly right.
Just like a broken clock, you guys can be RIGHT twice a day, but for the other 22 hours your dead wrong.
Dude, you do realize that we're just reporting what businesses are doing and what the administration and even the architect of the law themselves have been saying so you're just calling your own guys liars.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Reporting huh? Deceptive embellishment is hardly reporting, nor is it in any way unbiased or informed and your sources are not my guys.
I respectfully disagree with your premise and conclusion based on that premise.
In other words, to you reporting the facts and repeating what admin officials have said is deceptive (if it doesn't fit your narrative). From my last link:
Feel free to highlight the "deceptive embellishment".Quote:
Large employers have struggled to adapt to Obamacare provisions and are cutting hours, and insurance experts worry it will create friction between employers and employees, WMDT reports:
By 2015, employers with at least 50 full-time, 30-hour employees will be required to provide health insurance or pay a hefty $3,000 fine for each uninsured employee. Insurance experts worry it could create some friction between the employer and employee.
“We’ve seen employers starting to cut down hours to 28, 25 hours such that they will not be subject to penalty for that employee,” Keen said.
That’s exactly what Katie Frantz says has happened to her.
“The job that I currently have is part-time. And they don’t want to let me be full-time because they don’t want to pay me benefits. And I don’t even need the benefits because I have it through my husband. It’s just very annoying,” she said.
Some employers have discovered they would be better off financially paying the penalty rather than providing insurance.
I gave a direct c/p of Hoffa's letter and I can reproduce the video of Max Baucus ,one of the key authors in the Senate calling it a train wreck . I don't need to "embellish " .They are doing it for me.
Can small businesses use the ACA's health insurance exchanges?
Read more FAQs about health reform.Quote:
Yes, there will be a health insurance exchange for small businesses, called the Small Business Health Options Program (SHOP).
A small business is defined in the law as having between one and 100 employees, though the exchanges may start at one to 50 employees, depending on the state. States can also choose to combine their individual and small business exchanges to create a bigger pool, spreading the risk to more people and reducing premiums.
Small businesses will also get help paying the premiums for covering their employees through a new tax credit.
- See more at: Can small businesses use the ACA's health insurance exchanges?
Health Care Reform: 11 Business Opportunities & Ways to Profit | Inc.com
ACA is saving money on health care that small businesses can use for hiring | MedCity News
In other words you can't show us the "deceptive embellishment" so time for a diversion.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You said it's a train wreck and I showed you despite the noise and creative use of adjectives, there are some who will quietly make adjustments and profit.
Show me a business man who cannot leverage his employees for a better deal for his health care costs, and I will show you a bad business man. Or one that won't pay his employees enough to forego benefits, which he leveraged to save himself money in the first place.
And we're back to this. Dude, you said we're embellishing. Where did we embellish? We didn't, we reported reality, what's happening on the streets including from a number of unions that went to bat for Obamacare that say it sucks. People are losing jobs or getting cut to part time, that's fact. Your posturing about how stupid businessmen are isn't going to matter to that single mom that just got cut back to 30 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Lol ,your fearless leader just gave businesses the opportunity to dump the benefits penalty free. But that was probably part of the behind doors negotiations anyway. That way the employees ;who now have not been granted the same consideration of a delay in implementation of the individual mandate will be forced onto the state exchanges... (always keep your eyes on the prize of a totally government run system )... or pay the penalty (ooops I mean tax).
Meanwhile, moderate Democrats are turning sour on Zerocare, and before the "honey pot" for scammers is even set out...
It's come to this, you just can't make this stuff up and all my other favorite sayings and then some...
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IRS employee union: We don’t want Obamacare
IRS employees have a prominent role in Obamacare, but their union wants no part of the law.
National Taxpayer Employee Union officials are urging members to write their congressional representatives in opposition to receiving coverage through President Obama’s health care law.
The union leaders are providing members with a form letter to send to the congressmen that says “I am very concerned about legislation that has been introduced by Congressman Dave Camp to push federal employees out of the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program and into the insurance exchanges established under the Affordable Care Act.”
Like most other federal workers, IRS employees currently get their health insurance through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, which also covers members of Congress.
House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp offered the bill in response to reports of congressional negotiations that would exempt lawmakers and their staff from Obamacare.
“Camp has long believed every American ought to be exempt from the law, which is why he supports full repeal,” Camp spokeswoman Allie Walkersaid.
“If the Obamacare exchanges are good enough for the hardworking Americans and small businesses the law claims to help, then they should be good enough for the president, vice president, Congress and federal employees,” she also said.
“The NTEU represents Internal Revenue Service employees who have the responsibility to enforce much of the health insurance law, especially in terms of collecting the taxes and distributing subsidies that finance the whole system,” said Paul Kersey, director of Labor Policy at the Illinois Policy Institute.
“IRS agents will also collect data and apply penalties for those who fail to comply with many of Obamacare’s requirements,” Kersey said.
I guess they like what they got and don't want a repub to come along and take it away. But that's what repubs do don't they?
I like what I got.for medical care... and its not the Republicans that are trying to take it away... its the Democrats that are doing that.
You aren't entitled to your own facts,
The Squeal and Repeal crowd is always trying to scare people. Keep squealing because we ain't repealing. But some of your brainy ideas will get struck down in the court of law.Quote:
House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp offered the bill in response to reports of congressional negotiations that would exempt lawmakers and their staff from Obamacare.
I liked what I had, too, but interesting that the people charged with enforcing it don't even want what you forced on the rest of us against our will. Too damn bad, if I have to live with so should they.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, Steve:
I don't know.. You were all pissed off at Obama for not implementing parts of Obamacare... Now, you want to do the same thing, only bigger. Why is he bad and you're good?
excon
Maybe some defunding is in order then . But I know that the Repubics have spines of jelly fish and won't .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Obamacare call center workers to be denied health care benefits...
Concord: Half of Affordable Care Act call center jobs will be part-time - ContraCostaTimes.com
Not all republican are TParty fanatics. And not all TParty fanatics think that corporate slavery is a good idea either.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Especially when the defunding like the sequester surely will affect the lives of woman children and working poor people a lot greater than upper middle class and rich folk. Poor TParty types will find themselves in the same place as the other poor folks and they won't like it. Willing to bet that even rural conservatives want the same benefits of the ACA, and higher wages in a growing service industry that keeps people from rising above where they are stuck at.
Even the TParty working poor will be tired of hearing the boss holler about cutting hours and benefits while he extracts greater profits. So defund benefits from the very youth you will have to depend on to keep to keep your conservative enclaves thriving.
So, there won't be any health care rationing with Obamacare, eh?
Seems the Deaniac has changed his mind about it...Quote:
“No one here is talking about rationing,” said Peter Orszag, director of the White House Office for Management and Budget. “What we are talking about, look at the source of that 30 percent or so in potential efficiency gains in the health system are from unnecessary procedures, unnecessary days in hospital, unnecessary applications of technology and what have you.”
- See more at: White House Vows No Rationing in Health Care Reform Package | CNS News
I know, we already have rationing, "The Squeal and Repeal crowd is always trying to scare people" blah, blah, blah...Quote:
One major problem is the so-called Independent Payment Advisory Board. The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for Medicare and determining which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them.
Sarah Palin... right again. On Facebook she comments "Wish I had been wrong about this one..."Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Don't Fund Obamacare
And we are back to the original question... if this was so freaking great why are ALL of the people that wrote it, or are ramming it down our throats... or trying t convince us how great it is... are exempt from it themselves... by their own action.
Yes there is one rule for the shepards and another for the sheep
Count the IRS chief as among those who don't want the health care plan they're charged to enforce...
I know, "the Squeal and Repeal crowd is always trying to scare people" blah, blah, blah...Quote:
"Mr. Werfel, last week your employees who are a member of the National Treasury Employee's Union sent a form letter for union members to send in to ask they be exempt from the exchanges," a congressman asked. "Why are your employees trying to exempt themselves from the very law that you're tasked to enforce?"
"I don't want to speak for the NTEU, but I'll offer a perspective as a federal employee myself and a federal employee at the IRS," said the IRS chief. "And that is, we have right now as employees of the government, of the IRS, affordable health care coverage. I think the ACA was designed to provide an option or an alternative for individuals that do not. And all else being equal, I think if you're an individual who is satisfied with your health care coverage, you're probably in a better position to stick with that coverage than go through the change of moving into a different environment and going through that process. So I think for a federal employee, I think more likely, and I would -- can speak for myself, I would prefer to stay with the current policy that I'm pleased with rather than go through a change if I don't need to go through that change."
UPDATE: Texas senator John Cornyn responds:
“Count the head of the IRS among the growing list of folks that includes Big Labor and the law’s chief architect who are deeply skeptical of the President’s signature achievement and don’t want any part of
Come on, if your own people are running from what you forced on us isn't that your first clue it sucks?
We were told from the get-go that, if we have a health care plan we like, we can keep it. If we have no plan or don't like the one we have, the ACA will give us choices. My son has BC/BS which jacks up the cost $25 or more every quarter. He will be looking for a better deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The "if you like it you can keep it" thing has been debunked so many times I'd be embarrassed to try to and pull that one over on someone. But nice to see you don't feel the people in charge of this train wreck should have to live with it, too.
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