Ask Me Help Desk - Gun Control... it didn't take long

Hello again, smoothy:

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So do the thugs on the inner city streets that will sell you one at night in certain parts of town...

Nahh.. This is just MORE of right wing crap you bought into...

I'm going to ask you to think for a minute... I'm white. You're white. I don't know ANYBODY in the hood who has guns for sale.. You don't either... I'm an excon, but I don't carry a membership card. You're not.. You look EXACTLY like me.

Now, in SPITE of what the NRA says, I'm NOT going to waltz around the hood with a pocket full of cash trying to buy a gun... Neither are you. If you did, do you REALLY think you'd get a gun? Or do you think you'd wind up in a ditch somewhere?

You're a guy who professes to know about real life.. Am I making this up?

Excon

Why do you object to keeping guns from criminals? And how come the good guy with a gun got shot 20 times in his home by the bad guy in Kaufman Co.Tx. Your logic has some dangerous holes in it.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello smoothy:

I've posted before about my ability to buy a gun, and as MANY guns as I want at our local gun shows. I suppose you think I'm a liar too.

How is it, that a fellow who posits himself as a gun expert, knows SO little about how guns are bought and sold??? You accuse US of buying the media garbage, but that's what YOU'RE doing.

Lemme repeat. When I go to the gun shows, the guys who have BOOTHS are firearm dealers... You can't buy a gun from them WITHOUT a background check... Then there's the private seller... He's walking around with gun belts over his shoulder, or he's outside the show standing at the door or hanging out in the parking lot... You'd have be BLIND not to notice them, and not to KNOW what they're doing there... You can buy a gun from them, and NOT go through a background check... Then you can buy ANOTHER one from the next guy standing there....

And, you don't know that this is happening??? Dude!

Now, I dunno WHY you'd want to maintain a law that allows felons like me to GET guns... It makes NO sense - NO sense at all...

excon

[ Greenie ]

Ex is correct. There are provisions in the law that allow for the sale of guns from your private / personal collection. In most places there is no madate for a background check when a private sale takes place. If you can fund a booth and are willing to sell off your private collection at a show you are perfectly legal to do so.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You know how easy it is to pay someone with a clean record to buy a gun for you? "bangers do it all the time, and excons. But you guys are opposed to making straw purchases a federal crime with a steep sentence.

It is already as I have pointed out a federal crime. If they actually gathered the proof needed then they can put them away under current law.

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Originally Posted by cdad

It is already as I have pointed out a federal crime. If they actually gathered the proof needed then they can put them away under current law.

So my friend Bob goes to a gun show, buys an untraceable handgun there in a private sale, and then goes home to shoot and kill his wife The private seller gets off scot-free.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

So my friend Bob goes to a gun show, buys an untraceable handgun there in a private sale, and then goes home to shoot and kill his wife The private seller gets off scot-free.

For one thing it may or may not be untraceable. For another if there was enough reason to believe that this person can own a gun then the seller has no part of the crime being committed with that gun.

P.S. You need new friends.

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Originally Posted by cdad

For one thing it may or may not be untraceable. For another if there was enough reason to believe that this person can own a gun then the seller has no part of the crime being commited with that gun.

P.S. You need new friends.

The seller has no idea who he is selling to (an excon? Bob who may have a criminal papertrail of some sort and who plans to shoot his wife?). Wouldn't a private seller want that protection?

P.S. I made up "Bob."

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

The seller has no idea who he is selling to (an excon? Bob who may have a criminal papertrail of some sort and who plans to shoot his wife?). Wouldn't a private seller want that protection?

P.S. I made up "Bob."

I can not guess anothers thinking nor will I try in this debate.

Bob

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Originally Posted by cdad

I can not guess anothers thinking nor will I try in this debate.

Bob

But wouldn't the private seller want protection and know not to sell a gun to a felon or someone with a rap sheet?

P.S. Not Bob -- I meant to call him ummmm Fred.

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Originally Posted by cdad

For one thing it may or may not be untraceable. For another if there was enough reason to believe that this person can own a gun then the seller has no part of the crime being commited with that gun.

P.S. You need new friends.

Okay problem solved and we don't have to do anything but wait for the next nut or criminal to make headlines. GOT IT.

Lots of if's and maybe's in your quote.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Okay problem solved and we don't have to do anything but wait for the next nut or criminal to make headlines. GOT IT.

Lots of if's and maybe's in your quote.

That is because I do abide by the law. If they that are responsible for prosecuting the law as it is written then it would be a lot less of it happening. Instead they are not following through. I can't do anything about that except watch my local elections and vote the SOB's out that fail to do their job.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

So my friend Bob goes to a gun show, buys an untraceable handgun there in a private sale, and then goes home to shoot and kill his wife The private seller gets off scot-free.

Maybe you need better friends than Bob.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Maybe you need better friends than Bob.

Or I should make friends with the private sellers who don't check up on who they sell guns to?

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Originally Posted by cdad

That is because I do abide by the law. If they that are responsible for prosecuting the law as it is written then it would be a lot less of it happening. Instead they are not following through. I can't do anything about that except watch my local elections and vote the SOB's out that fail to do thier job.

Can anyone guess which three cities rank the worst in prosecuting federal gun crimes last year?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Or I should make friends with the private sellers who don't check up on who they sell guns to?

Bob's the murderer.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Can anyone guess which three cities rank the worst in prosecuting federal gun crimes last year?

All the more reason to have a universal background check, even done by private sellers at gun shows.

You're my friend Speech. >Big Grin<

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Originally Posted by cdad

That is because I do abide by the law. If they that are responsible for prosecuting the law as it is written then it would be a lot less of it happening. Instead they are not following through. I can't do anything about that except watch my local elections and vote the SOB's out that fail to do thier job.

I know the feeling, the cost of successful prosecutions and rounding up all those criminals along with plea bargains is an obstacle to effective application of the law since there are many not so law abiding citizens that take a penitentiary chance to make a few bucks.

It's a never ending process filled with holes to be plugged. A daunting task.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

All the more reason to have a universal background check, even done by private sellers at gun shows.

All the more reason to start with prosecuting the laws we have, and those three cities have more laws than most.

Hello again, Steve:

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Can anyone guess which three cities rank the worst in prosecuting federal gun crimes last year?

Can anyone guess WHICH gun laws the right wing is talking about??

It's PAPER violations.. It's the heinous crime of applying for a gun and getting turned down. It's TRYING to buy a gun when you're not eligible and getting turned down. It's fraudulent applying...

Does ANYBODY think hunting down THESE criminals is the best use of our police forces?

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“I want to stop 76,000 people from getting guns illegally. That's what a background check does. If you think we're going to do paperwork prosecutions, you're wrong,”

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Can anyone guess WHICH gun laws the right wing is talking about???

It's PAPER violations.. It's the crime of applying for a gun and getting turned down. It's TRYING to buy a gun when you're not eligible and NOT getting one. It's fraudulent applying...

Does ANYBODY think that's the best use of our police forces??

excon

Ah, so some gun crimes are OK.

Hello again, Steve:

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Ah, so some gun crimes are OK.

First off, whoever made it a CRIME to get turned down for a gun is NUTS.. As a seasoned criminal, I can't even imagine WHY it's a crime. Seriously, I can't. Do you think trying to buy cigarettes when you're a kid, and getting TURNED DOWN should be a crime?? If you're not eligible for a liquor license you applied for, and you get turned down, is THAT a crime?

Finally, I think YOU'RE one of the people here who think cops aren't, and/or shouldn't be enforcing marijuana laws. Can we have a little consistency?

Excon

Dude, I was just pointing out the stats since the subject was raised. But I do so get a giggle out of your rants. So just one question then, why do you guys want more laws because we don't have the time and resources to enforce the laws we already have? Now that makes no sense.

The more people in any one place, the more overwhelmed ALL the institutions are. I have maintained that rural and urban issues are vastly different. Poverty is what keeps people at each others throats, as urban environments are stretched to the limits during times of national economic hardships and stagnant progress to address them.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

The more people in any one place, the more overwhelmed ALL the institutions are. I have maintained that rural and urban issues are vastly different. Poverty is what keeps people at each others throats, as urban enviroments are stretched to the limits during times of national economic hardships and stagnant progress to address them.

Stop paying people welfare to sit at home... and they won't have time to sit around and cause trouble... they will be busy working earning a paycheck so they can eat.

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Originally Posted by Tuttyd

Just trying to work this bit out. It says the law went into effect in 1982, yet they are celebrating the 16th anniversary of the ordinance. Wouldn't that put the year at about 96/97?

Yes, the article is from 98, which illustrates my point even more clearly.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Stop paying people welfare to sit at home...and they won't have time to sit around and cause trouble...they will be busy working earning a paycheck so they can eat.

If there are no jobs, what are they going to do? Starve in the streets? If you had an economy crying out for workers you could make such statements but you don't

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Originally Posted by paraclete

If there are no jobs, what are they going to do? starve in the streets? if you had an economy crying out for workers you could make such statements but you don't

There are over 20 Million illegals here working... throw them out and you have over 20 million jobs open up tomorrow.

I actually have more respect for the illegals than the welfare bums... because they at least have a healthy work ethic.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

there are over 20 Million illegals here working.....throw them out and you have over 20 million jobs open up tomorrow.

I actually have more respect for the illegals than the welfare bums....because they at least have a healthy work ethic.

A somewhat counter productive strategy, with all you efforts you only deport a small number of these people and besides your own rhethoric says these welfare bums don't want to work which means they won't take the jobs anyway and it will just become a revolving door. You have to match jobs to areas where there is disadvantage; throw out the farm labourers and are you going to get the people from the cities to pick beans? I don't think so. You need a strategy which will help the bums migrate to the places where there is work and you have to lift the minimum wage to make it attractive. Fact is you exported the jobs and the only way you will change things is to become protective of local industry. As soon as you do that the rest of the world will follow. Give incentives for the illegals to go home by creating vivrant economies in their own countries?

LOL, smoothy in a straw hat picking strawberries as a second job, LOL!!

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Originally Posted by talaniman

LOL, smoothy in a straw hat picking strawberries as a second job, LOL!!!

NOTHING tastes better than fresh hand-picked strawberries. Home grown tomatoes are second.

Had a peach tree in the back yard... HOT fresh peach pie!!

Nnah you can't get smoothy to pick fruit, he's a city boy

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Had a peach tree in the back yard........................................HOT fresh peach pie!!!!!!!!!!

With hand cranked ice cream. Your arms are so sore you have to take your time and savor it.

I had siblings, we took turns... well most of us any way :) .

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Originally Posted by paraclete

nnah you can't get smoothy to pick fruit, he's a city boy

He sat at the same desk for 8 years in his little house on the prairie. He will never forget his roots, they are in his back pocket still.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

nnah you can't get smoothy to pick fruit, he's a city boy

Goes to show just how little you know about me. Both of you.

Well Tal if he's not a country boy and he's not a city boy he must be from the burbs or one of those himigrants

A Colorado dem that's been pushing gun control for years has no clue how guns work. She seems to think mags can't be reloaded and they'll magically start to disappear if you ban them.

This idiot also thought it amusing to tell a citizen concerned about defending against an intruder, "you'd probably be dead, anyway."

Dem Rep to Constituent: 'You'd Probably Be Dead' if Confronted by Armed Intruder - By Eliana Johnson - The Corner - National Review Online

Good thing we have the police and stupid, arrogant Democrats to protect us when they take away our guns.

That's what this is about? Taking your guns or not being able to shoot thousands of rounds for your pleasure? Too bad they got the drop on the good guy with the gun, and his wife,and that's how criminals do, and have done for centuries. They wait for the perfect time when they have an advantage and your gun is no good to you.

What you thought cops were the only ones to stake out a target? Of course they case the place first.

So you think gun magazines can't be reloaded and like this moron, that defending yourself is not only unrealistic but amusing because "you'd probably be dead, anyway."

Here are some recent examples of women who would be vicitims if not for packing... there are more...

Woman shoots, cuffs armed intruder

63-year-old Spokane, Wash., grandmother shoots at intruder in home - UPI.com

LISTEN: 911 Call Released After Georgia Mother Shoots Home Intruder | Fox News Insider

Georgia woman shoots intruder 5 times | Amarillo Globe-News

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/m...41d06c092.html