Not likely we will learn the truth for a while unless the Senate Dems grow a pair and put their country before Obama's marching orders.
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Not likely we will learn the truth for a while unless the Senate Dems grow a pair and put their country before Obama's marching orders.
Hello again, tom:
Accusing the president of LYING, and COVERING up, and ARMING our enemies ISN'T putting the country first. MOST of the country GOT it last night.. You wingers didn't. Bummer.
excon
The Tea Party effect did it's damage. GOP needs to retool and get away from the neo-cons.
Most of the country is a slim majority ,and Libya did not come up in the exit polls as a big topic . The press did their job... they ran cover well.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Like I've said repeatedly, if the media had done their job and held Obama accountable he would have lost in a landslide.
Hello again, Steve:
If I lived in a world where the ONLY news source that told the truth was FOX, I'd kill myself...Quote:
Like I've said repeatedly, if the media had done their job
Better yet, I'd just take off my tin foil hat.
Excon
Come on ex, you know if even a quarter of the stuff this administration has gotten away with was done by Bush the media would have hounded him relentlessly, 24/7. I don't need a tin foil hat to see they've done this nation a disservice by not doing their job and holding them accountable. Instead, they were more interested in Seamus the dog. We've been bamboozled.
Yeah, I'm bitter about it. I can promise that in two years I won't have a full time job or I won't have health insurance without going through Obama's managed care and I'm not happy about it.
Hello again, Steve:
Nahhh. I don't think the media, except for FOX, are traitors. You make the assumption that the mainstream media LOOKED at the Benghazi story, but because they're in the tank for Obama, and even though they saw TERRIBLE stuff, they looked the other way...
You DO realize that you're indicting an ENTIRE profession.. But, since you indict the ENTIRE scientific profession, I shouldn't be surprised... In MY world, you'd HAVE to wear a tin foil hat to believe that.
excon
Explain CBS holding on to the segment of 60 Minutes they edited out that clearly showed Obama not calling it a terrorist attack;after it became a major campaign issue.
Hello again, tom:
CBS is NOT the media. It's CBS. There are MORE media than CBS.Quote:
explain CBS
Excon
Posted on wrong question
Explain MSNBC. Explain a journalist 'moderator' going to bat for Obama in a debate. Explain Media Matters coordinating with the White House. Explain no one BUT Fox reporting on Fast & Furious and with few exceptions, Benghazi - two incidents where Americans DIED in service due to their own government's incompetence - while the rest shrug their shoulders.Quote:
CBS is NOT the media. It's CBS. There are MORE media than CBS.
Hello again, Steve:
Instead of ME explaining to you, why don't you tell ME why every media outlet in the WORLD is in the tank for Obama?
Isn't it possible that the media DID look, and saw NOTHING? Frankly, since FOX is the ONLY one in the WHOLE WIDE WORLD talking about it, I just have a very hard time giving it any credence...
Now, maybe if FOX had PROVEN itself to BE a real news organization, I might listen to them... But, all they are is the public relations wing of the GOP. Why the HELL should I care what THEY think?
excon
Chris Matthews was too busy being thankful that a hurricane hit the East.
Dude, I'd put Brett Baier, Brit Hume, Shepard Stewart and Megyn Kelly up against ANY journalist out there. Show us how they aren't "real news" people. And then do some actual comparisons of which media outlet gives a voice to BOTH sides the most and get back to me.Quote:
Now, maybe if FOX had PROVEN itself to BE a real news organization,
Truth is, most people bash Fox on hearsay like sheep, and you think leaning conservative is a bigger sin than a media outlet that actually coordinates with the White House. Dude!
Well now, the State Department is allowing access to documents on Benghazi... today and tomorrow when no one is in Washington.
This it the most un-serious administration ever. Will the media give them cover when the administration starts spinning the "well we gave them the access they requested" line? Of course they will.Quote:
Benghazi documents available to senators only when they are out of town
Under pressure from senators, the State Department is allowing some lawmakers to look at cables and other documents related to the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, but only today and tomorrow, when most senators are not in Washington. …
“To facilitate your committee’s work, we want to offer you and other members of the committee the opportunity to review these cables and memoranda. This set of material contains classified and other sensitive information… Mindful of these concerns, the Department is prepared to make copies of these documents available for the committee’s in camera review.”
One senior GOP Senate staffer told The Cable that State is only making the documents available for senators and committee staff to view today and tomorrow, which won’t actually allow the members to prepare for the hearing. Staffers for committee members are also not allowed to see the material.
“Funny since no member is in town,” the aide said. “The timing and limited access clearly demonstrates the administration cares more about playing politics with the tragedy than accepting responsibility.”
OK ,up until this week there were 2 possibilities why the adm failed to immediately call the attack a terrorist attack . 1 incompetence 2. a deliberate misinformation campaign run out of the White House to Congress and the American people .
Now ,with the Petraeus testimony Thursday only number 2 is possible. What we learned is that CIA reports on the incident were deliberately edited to remove the name al Qaeda from the reports ;and that the claim that it was about a Youtube video was a monsterous lie that they not only told the nation and the world repeatedly ,including a major address to the UN... but the President and Evita also told to the families of the dead while they stood next to the caskets of the deceased .
When the President bristle that Ambassador Rice is being targeted he should remember that it was he who personally made her a target in this charade .
The cover-up is unravelling despite the adm. Best efforts to muzzle Petraeus.
I see Tom you have never heard of spin, putting the best or worst interpretation on a outcome, in this case an obvious deflection to minimised debate during an election campaign. The fact is when you don't have all the facts, it is better to run with what you do have than what you don't. In this case the obvious, a protest same as other protests. As investigations unfold other less obvious facts become known, and in any case they don't want to jeopardise investigation or assets by premature release of information, something that the public or the press have no interest in.
So now Tom you are spinning this for all you are worth, trying to drain the last drop of chagrin because you lost the election
It is clear from the testimony that they knew immediately that it wasn't a protest ;that it was a terrorist attack. The only spin was when Obama danced on OBL's grave the week before the attack. What we will learn is that not only is AQ NOT on the run as the President says ;instead we have become one of their patrons.
But Tom you always were their patrons, admittedly the relationship soured somewhat but OBL was a favoured son while the Russians were in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda was a monster of your own making and it bit you because you just could not understand what an affront your presence in Saudi Arabia was to Muslims. You still don't recognise what an affront you represent too much of the civilised world, you think you share our values but you do not.
I would not be surprised to learn that the CIA or some other clandestine offshoot of the US government has been arming or funding Al Qaeda in the megreb any more than I was surprised to learn the US was arming drug cartels in Mexico. It seems that every time something goes wrong we hear that the US had a hand it it
That is a myth . We did not supply anyone in the OBL group . He self funded or raised funding for his operation on his own . It's possible that charge could be made if you were speaking of the Taliban... but not al Qaeda .Quote:
But Tom you always were their patrons, admittedly the relationship soured somewhat but OBL was a favoured son while the Russians were in Afghanistan.Al Qaeda was a monster of your own making...
No ,we may be an affront to you . But you don't represent the 'civilized world' .Quote:
You still don't recognise what an affront you represent too much of the civilised world, you think you share our values but you do not.
Hope you are enjoying Leon Panetta's visit .Quote:
It seems that every time something goes wrong we hear that the US had a hand it it
And how did you separate out the mujihadeen, I would say you were not concerned about who you dealt with as long as they killed Russians so making that distinction is a jokeQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
So if I don't represent the civilised world, what do you represent?Quote:
No ,we may be an affront to you . But you don't represent the 'civilized world' .
Hope you are enjoying Leon Panetta's visit .
http://www.smh.com.au/world/philippi...119-29m4m.html
This is what we don't want here, your uncivilised behaviour.
I don't enjoy evita and leon swanning around here building up the idea that the US should have more influence in my country and this region. You forgot us for fifty years and suddenly we are important. We are not interested in fortress Australia. There is a myth promulgated by the americans that we need you to stem the yellow tide. Have you noticed what is going on in south east asia, the locals have bought into this nonsense and are arming themselves
They are rightly concerned... something about the Chinese sending troops to plant Chinese flags on their islands. Maybe that's it No ?
No they are more concerned about the moral degregation of their people which comes from associating with your military, having gotten rid of you, they don't want you back
Hello again,
GOP Rep. Peter King, today said that Susan Rice had an obligation to not just read whatever was handed to her on Benghazi, but to investigate further.
If EVERYBODY, INCLUDING Peter King, had QUESTIONED what they were being told back in 2001, we WOULDN'T have WRONGLY invaded Iraq, and 4,000 Americans WOULD be alive instead of DEAD..
Now, they're running around with their hair on fire about FOUR dead Americans in Benghazi?? That's NOT to diminish these losses, but where were the DOUBTERS when we needed them??
Oh, that's right. They can't remember past 4 years.. Well, that's why I'M here.
excon
There are some practicalities here, it's apparent Rice was on a tryout for Secretary of State, being given a chance to show a public face, she would have had no reason to question what was placed in front of her and little opportunity to investigate, in the same way a TV anchor reads what is in front of them.
It is convenient to attack her, as Obama said attack him, or is it they can't get to him
Aren't you about done with the Bush years? Whatever happened in 2001 is relevant only as a lesson learned. Susan Rice missed that lesson.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Iraqs possession of wmd was consensus opionion of the world's intelligence community ;including a special UN agency's . I thought the left likes consensus opinions.
I'm told we no longer should speak of this.Quote:
Iraqs possession of wmd was consensus opionion of the world's intelligence community ;including a special UN agency's . I thought the left likes consensus opinions.
A consensus of fools led by the chief fool, what happened to the mobile factories, did they just drive off into the sunset? What happened to that uranium purchased in Africa? Your position of leadership led to others following you, a leadership you know they are reluctant to follow again.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
And it wasn't cheap: $6.6 billion in lost Iraq cash now accounted for, inspector says | The Envoy - Yahoo! News
Add to that the exorbitant consulate costs.
Yes I imagine they have accounted for the missing explosives too.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hello again, tom:
So, it's the SIZE of the consensus that matters, huh? Susan Rice had a consensus opinion, too. It just wasn't as big. The principal is the SAME. She/you were told XXX by the intelligence community... She/you BELIEVED it. She/you said as much.Quote:
Iraqs possession of wmd was consensus opionion of the world's intelligence community
Excon
Intelligence said it was al-Qaida.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
After they said it was a protest, and what intelligence organization tells the public what they are really thinking? Not the CIA.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Probably still hasn't.
Not so, Petraeus said they knew "almost immediately" it was terrorism. You're just changing the story like the administration did.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
They knew, but that's not what they wrote as a public statement.
It's on a need to know basis, what part of that do you not get, telling the press and public everything just jeopardises the investigation and gives comfort to the enemy, how much comfort have they gained by seeing you in disarray, and bickerring among yourselves, it has done more damage than the actual attack.
You should be used to cover stories by now
I don't blame Rice ;she was the stooge they sent out there . I have to assume that she was an ignorent stooge who had no idea that she was a patsy .We already know the DCI report was altered by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper,to remove the words "terrorism" and "al Qaeda" from the talking points... or at least he's the latest being thrown under the bus in this cover-up.
One problem is that Clapper in testimony ALSO spewed the company line about the video and a flash mob protest.
The question about Rice remain.Did she know she was lying before Congress ? Why was she chosen to make what was obviously a totally false explanation on the Sunday morning talking shows ?Why was proper security not present, despite repeated terrorist attacks in Benghazi on foreign diplomats? Why did Ambassador Stevens travel to Benghazi when his previous calls for more security had gone unanswered? Why was Gen. Carter Ham summarily sacked as head of AFRICOM almost immediately after the attack when talk that forces under his command could have gone to the rescue ? Why were two former SEALs on loan to CIA in Libya in the first place? They were not there the ambassador's security, and in fact disobeyed orders to stand down when they tried to rescue him. The adm knew in real time it was a terrorist attack .Why did they send out Rice with their lie ?
All good questions, Tom, no doubt they have been answered behind closed doors. Tom, don't hold your breath until the answers come forth. As I said IT is on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know. I don't remember that Constitution of yours conferring upon you the right to know, even the President only has to report once a year
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