Romney's budget is on the table, and on line. Why won't you read it so we can have a factual debate about what it says. Educate US!!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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Romney's budget is on the table, and on line. Why won't you read it so we can have a factual debate about what it says. Educate US!!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
dontknownuthin... well said!!
The only evidence I saw was 25 years of sustained growth with 2 minor recessions in the time between 1983 and 2008 . The 7 years of the 1980s when Laffer and Reagan policies kicked in saw expansions of over 6% .Compare that to the possible double dip we are likely to see before the end of the year ;and I'll put supply side theories against Keynesianism any day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
You're referring to GDP (GNP) - not always the best way to look at economics. For example, one million minimum wage jobs increase GDP. That's what Reagan "accomplished". Not a lot of tax revenue there.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
After a big tax reduction when he entered office, he soon followed that by a big tax increase because the Laffer theory didn't work. (You could look it up).
It's amazing how the right-wing (Republicans) continue to promote failed economic policies. Very few of them seem to give any deep thought to important issues.
The latest example is Congressman Akin. Think, for a moment, just what this character said. It's medieval - women's bodies have an anti-rape mechanism. His apology, please note, did nothing to dispel this bizarre belief. Shall I throw in Herman Cain? Nice guy, but another piece of the Republican bizarro world.
Now Ryan. Another nice guy...
If I accept the min wage #s then that is in the context of 20 million job growth in Reagan's years.
The tax increases that he signed later were part of a budget deal with the majority Dem Congress ,that of course the Dems renaged on regarding budget reductions. Also you fail to mention that his initial marginal tax rate cuts were huge compared to the modest increases later . Reagan left office with Americans dramatically paying less in net taxes than when he entered office.When Reagan took office there were 16 tax brackets ranging from 0% to 70% When Reagan left office there were 2 brackets: 15% and 28% .He flattend the tax code and s a result revenues increased from $517.1 billion to $909.2 billion.
The Laffer theory worked because marginal tax rates were slashed... combined with sound monetary policy ,which resulted in growth ;and increased tax revenues .( I bet Obama would love to boast of a 6-7% growth as opposed to the sluggish so called recovery we've experienced in his term)
Are you still blaming Obama for the lack of recovery. You can't do anything when your hands are tied behind your back by a regressive congress.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You mean you can see republican obstructionism all the way in Aussieland?
All of us would.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
.( I bet Obama would love to boast of a 6-7% growth as opposed to the sluggish so called recovery we've experienced in his term)
That is the only excuse the Obots have for their poor performance. What you are seeing from them is nothing new. Roosevelt blamed the rich that his recovery program was not taking the country out of the Depression.Truman blamed Congress for his lackluster domestic performance. Both won ,so the President has a template for victory if this year's electorate is simularily gullible .Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Oh yes Tal we have excellent news services here and I watch PBS and even NBC often as well as logging into various US news services. You see we are better informed about you than you are about us, we always keep an eye out for developing threats. We have a broadcasting service called the Special Broadcasting Service which airs programs from all over the world, it's what you do in a truly multicultural society, you should try Al Jazerria some time or Deuche Vella or even the Chinese NewsQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
PBS and even NBC = Al Jazerria
As much as you guys hate to admit it, blaming the congress works because its TRUE. Reagan was a deficit spending supply sider who was also flexible, and fast acting. He brought down unemployment by growing government, and was not adverse to cutting taxes, or raising them when needed. He worked with his congress and they worked with him. He still ran up some debts, but on a whole, he always had a responsive plan, and we still have that Iran hostage thing that helped him, and the Iran/Contra thing that hurt him.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Today, and I have no doubt Hillary or any democrat would have faced the same thing, we have a republican party that decided they would say no to EVERYTHING, filibuster EVERYTHING, and blame the president. Indeed the repubs have been masterful about pushing there agenda, while blaming Obama for anything but a full recover that they themselves are standing in the way of.
You can deny all you want, but this is what THEY (republican politicians) are saying. To bad you need the far right loonies for this to succeed, because they have already put the main stream republican party on notice, if they get power, they will tell ROMNEY what to do, and he better do it!!
Ask Boehner how that works.
The only thing I have to add to this is this:Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Madeleine Albright: Dems should blame George W. Bush ‘forever’
So how long do you think Americans will fall for that?
He was to blame, but now it's the other republicans being blamed, and rightfully so! Forever?? As long as it takes!!
I can say that, as a woman born and raised in Texas, the Republican Party has alienated me. If left to there own divices people do use prejudice when making decisions, like pay, etc.. We NEED civil rights in this country. It is sad but true that they are not just understood. Look at other countries that do not have the same rights outlined for the historically oppressed... Like Saudi Arabia, India and Indonesia, countries who gave rights to women (the fact we have to be given them in any country including the US is ridiculous) but still can not drive a car, vote and can be beaten by their husbands. So, YES, we need it.
Republicans would like to take my rights to my body away from making abortions illegal or very limited... and would like to make it so I can't get assistance for the child I was forced not to abort. Catch 22... all against the woman... because the man.. lets face it, can just walk away.
The Republican Party has turned me away. I am a Libertarian for the most part and I must vote democratic just for sake of avoiding the misguided religious zealots that plague the republican party. John Adams would roll over in his grave.
Yeah I would like a smaller government, and a balanced budget, and a lot of the things the party stands for... but I don't want it at the cost of my rights.
Besides regulating a woman's womb IS big government.
Yours Truly,
A woman who'd like the choice of abortion in the case of legitimate rape or not.
John Adams rolled over in his grave when he learned abortion was available on demand in the country he helped form .
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. (John Adams )
Adams was wrong. Well half wrong, religion is encompassing all religions, or did he intend it to mean just Christian religion? Or just colonial Christian morality? We sure knew he wasn't talking freedom for ALL men, and forget it for woman.
Poor guy has probably turned over in his grave many times over the centuries. Who cares? Its his grave ain't it? He has a right to turn over in it whenever he wants!
The thing that bugs me to death, is all the laws apply only to woman not endowed with the means to pay for safe responsible abortions since those that can afford it have a private doctor to rely on to not only prevent pregnancy, but handle it early enough as to not have to inform any one.
Why do rich and poor play by different rules? Have different rights?
Guess he was wrong. People are slowly waking up and realizing they either don't need religion or they don't need the bastardized way that religion is used as a tool in the US. People can be both religious and have an abortion, it's not mutually exclusive.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
John adams and Thomas Jefferson were for separation of church and state for specifically this reason. It's a religious people. There are a gazillion religions. And who says abortion is immoral? Last I checked science had not proven a soul exists let alone when it forms. I for one like to believe it does exist... but I humbly admit it can not be proven. So, who knows. The fact that every child isn't wanted is something no one wants to admit in this country. If it weren't a fact that they are not, we wouldn't be over run with foster children and state raised teenagers. And what of all the folks going to get IVF? They destroy all the unused embryos.. is that too immoral? Dang. It is arrogant for anyone to believe they have some natural right to make decisions regarding a woman's body. Its ours. Period.
Why don't we have discussions like this about Rape (another violation of the body that happens to be illegal)... Oh but wait... we have to decide first if it is legitimate or not. LOL.
As long as it takes for what?? A complete takeover??Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Magpie95 please... Since Roe v Wade there have been over 50 million babies murdered . We are at Stalin and Mao levels of genocide . Is killing babies what 'moral people' do ?
A fetus is not a baby. Go back to science class or grow a uterus. Your argument is invalid.
No there haven't. Stop lying dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Stop calling people liars.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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Number of abortions in United States
According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), since 1973, roughly 50 million legal induced abortions have been performed in the United States.[37] World wide, there have been over 1,260,000,000 abortions performed.
If they are murders who has been criminally procecuted?
Look at all that money we saved on welfare! Woohoo!
When a lady says NO! She means NO! Now back off you right wing socialist chauvinistic, name calling, bad mouthing, chauvinistic PIGS!
So now we're conservative socialists?
Fun fact, besides being married to one and having a daughter, did you know that the overwhelming majority of my closest friends are women? That would be tough if I were as evil as you guys say I am.
Who said you were evil? But to your point, many women make bad choices in partners. Simply being married and having a child does not qualify you as good or evil, if things were even that black and white. However, that is getting off topic.
I, for one, am actually a libertarian. (Economically conservative and socially liberal) And a fellow Texan!. if labels are needed. Howdy!
I bet you act nicer around them too. I do, the females around me hate to be told what to do about anything, let alone what to do with their bodies.
Bet you already knew that.
Howdy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie95
Depends on who it is, I work mostly with women so they tend to get rather uninhibited around me. Prim and proper goes out the window. They let out a good ol' belch I'll give 'em a high five.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Duh.Quote:
I do, the females around me hate to be told what to do about anything, let alone what to do with their bodies.
Bet you already knew that.
OK, so I got to let go of Capuano, who's been struggling or Billingsley who hasn't - so Sabathia can join my rotation and boost my pitching numbers. Which one is going to do better down the stretch?
Cliff Lee would be a better choice to drop.
At what point is that 'fetus' a living human (we already know it is alive quite early in the process)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie95
I'll ask you this because no one answered this earlier when I asked... are there any restrictions you would put on abortions?. late term ? Murder immediately prior to delivery ? And if you would put restrictions on abortions then why don't those restrictions violate the women's right to control her body ? Do you really think this use of abortion as contraception is moral ?
Rich women with insurance can get a D&C as soon as they suspect a pregnancy. Why can't poor women be so educated, and accommodated?
D&C (Dilation and Curettage) Procedure: Surgery and Recovery
Free contraceptives is a moral thing to do.
The sperm and egg were alive. Maybe potential human being would be more accurate?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
First, the word murder is curious. My personal view is that a woman ought know that she is not capable or doesn't desire to be a mother long before her late term. Do I judge those who have? No. Simply because I don't know the circumstances. For example, did she just change her mind or did her health become in danger? It's a slipper slope when you start trying to define when life begins and when its just a clump of cells dividing with the "potential" of being a person. Most the people I know that have had them, it was a deeply difficult decision and not something they entered into lightly. They did not use it as a birth control. However, people will have sex.. no matter what. To bring a child in the world they no one is either mature enough of financially prepared to take care of is an abuse of its own. Because fathers can bail at will, yes, I think a woman should be able to make this choice. I don't think abortion is immoral at all, so I can't answer your last question. Are the clump of cells in a dish at a fertility clinic a person? Perhaps we should assign them a social security number.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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Originally Posted by Magpie95
Im a bit at a loss here. You don't seem very solid in your position regarding abortion. On the one hand you seem to believe that a late term abortion is OK because they baby is not a living being Then you say you can't judge because of circumstance.
Which is it? Is abortion OK anytime prebirth or not?
Allow me to clarify. I think abortion should be legal at any time. Aren't they all. Prebirth? I was merely explaining why I have that stance. Ultimately, its her body.Quote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
Excellent point, therefore, masturbation is murder too! Start locking up those young boys! Lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
OMG! I wonder if Rep. Todd Akin has realized this yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie95
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