Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hmmm, hmmm, umph... I THOUGHT you would have mentioned that the corruption is across the board... No, huh? That's bad, tom...
excon
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Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hmmm, hmmm, umph... I THOUGHT you would have mentioned that the corruption is across the board... No, huh? That's bad, tom...
excon
I said all along Washinton is the problem . What more do you want ? Pelosi's is the only one in their report that was blatant insider trading . Martha Stewart went to jail for less.
It's a given that Congress normally exempts itself from the legislation it passes.
Yesterday across the nation hundreds of OWS protesters got arrested for their ahem civil disobedience.
Now many of these "kids" ,when they get their act together and join the real world, will be looking for employment in the corporate world .
I just wonder how their arrest record and the nature of the arrest will affect their future prospects. They can't all go to Woodstock to sell tye died hemp shirts .
I think they would have joined the real world by now... if given an opportunity.
Past protestors seem to have done all right after they retired from protesting their causes, and I suspect so will these, but I think the true challenge for them is will they evolve into a smarter bunch.
I think they will.
Hello again, tom:
If you focus on their clothes instead of what they're pissed off about, you're going to MISS something.. But, I suspect it's something you WANT to miss or you wouldn't be wearing the required right wing blinders.
That's all right.. They don't need your permission OR agreement, not that they'd get it anyway. Get ready for the ride of your life. Things is going to BE different. The world is about to shift..
excon
Attachment 38100Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
These clowns have already overplayed their hand.
Even Elizabeth Warren, who first endorsed the protestors, has refused to sign an “Occupy Harvard ” statement. She's clearly worried that her previous endorsement will hurt her chances of winning against Scott Brown.
Elizabeth Warren won’t sign off on Occupy Harvard - BostonHerald.com
It's time for every Republic to call out the Dems and force them to go public and on the record with their support of this movement.
Hello again, tom:
Yeah, they called me names too.. But WE changed the world. Sit back and watch it happen again..
excon
Your nostalgia is not really relevant to this . Even if I give the anti-Vietnam war credit for getting us out of that conflict ,it was hardly world changing .
But at least you had a clear unambiguous simple message.
This crowd doesn't know what it wants . It's a tantrum/rage against the machine that is getting old as they interfere with the rights of others (besides the so called 1% that are largely unaffected by this street theater )to conduct their daily affairs.
What the heck... just for you...
Politicians sit yourselves down, there's nothing for you here
Won't you please come to Chicago for a ride
Don't ask Jack to help you 'cause he'll turn the other ear
Won't you please come to Chicago or else join the other side
We can change the world rearrange the world
It's dying - if you believe in justice
Dying - and if you believe in freedom
Dying - let a man live his own life
Dying - rules and regulations, who needs them
Seems Warren Buffet ain't the only guy calling for an end to tax cuts, and corporate welfare to end.
Patriotic Millionaires For Fiscal Strength
'Patriotic Millionaires' Beg Supercommittee for Higher Taxes - Yahoo! News
Patriotic Millionaires To Grover Norquist: 'Move To Somalia' - The Huffington Post
The Self-Expropriation of the Patriotic Millionaires
'Patriotic Millionaires' Lobby Congress for Higher Taxes on Rich | PBS NewsHour | Nov. 16, 2011 | PBS
I don't believe it, they sound too much like Excon, you know that crazy left wing guy who talks crazy? Now unlike him, or those goofy unwashed lazy rich kids running through the street like idiots, hollering and screaming instead of washing dishes, we have some real clean cut types, who are rich, and there are a bunch of 'em.Quote:
GARRETT GRUENER: Well, that's something I can speak to directly.
I have built up a number of companies myself, and I have been a venture capitalist now for almost 20 years. So I have been involved in the creation of lots of high-technology companies, companies in life sciences, in software and hardware, now in clean tech. And I'm currently running a company that's built on nanotechnology.
And I can say, for myself, that not a single one of those investments, not one was ever impacted by marginal tax rates. I invested under the Clinton rates. I invested under the Bush rates. I invested under the rates before that. And, by the way, in history, the rates were much higher than they are today.
Will the right listen? I doubt it, they didn't bother to show up to get the story, but the progressive in CONGRESS did.
Sure, just take a page from the William Ayers playbook.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Very true.Quote:
but I think the true challenge for them is will they evolve into a smarter bunch.
Or Jerry Rubin...Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Past protestors seem to have done all right after they retired from protesting their causes, and I suspect so will these
Sure, just take a page from the William Ayers playbook.
Jerry Rubin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
In the 1980s, he embarked on a debating tour with Abbie Hoffman titled "Yippie versus Yuppie." Rubin's argument in the debates was that activism was hard work and that the abuse of drugs, sex, and private property had made the counter-culture "a scary society in itself." He maintained that "wealth creation is the real American revolution.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Or Martin Luther King, Jr. or Gandhi perhaps. Even Nelson Mandela.
excon
Hello again, wingers:
So, you REALLY don't want to know why they're there? I don't think you do. You don't want to engage in anything other than hurling insults...
Did we do that when the Tea Party emerged?? If we did, did you like it?
excon
Dude, I've said 7 times previously I'm waiting for their "one demand." Lots of other people have claimed to know their one demand but as far as I can tell the actual occupiers have still not listed their demand. When they tell me what that "one demand" is we can talk about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Meanwhile, the public is starting to get pretty fed up with them. And any group of people that interferes with the rights of others, including children going to daycare, creates a health hazard, and resorts to all manner of criminal activity deserves every insult hurled their way.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I'm not buying it. Your expectations are just a tad high. Until you hear ONE VOICE from 100's of 1,000's of pissed off people, you ain't going to talk?? That's your principled position?? Really? So, I should ignore everything you say until I hear ALL right wingers saying it?? Really?
excon
According to Wikipedia, the October 27, 2011, issue of Bloomberg Businessweek states that protesters want more and better jobs, more equal distribution of income, bank reform, and a reduction of the influence of corporations on politics.
All I can say is that you better keep listening, before you dismiss and call names. Is that all you see is the bad side of this movement, or judge the not so perfect by the worst.
Is that really all you see, or all you want to see? Not very open minded. We can have a conversation now if you were.
Hello WG:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Bloomberg is a pansy liberal. Steve wants to hear 100,000 people chant the SAME THING, or he ain't buying it.
excon
No, I just don't get why so many people are defending these thugs. I promise you if the Tea Party rallies had led to a quarter of the crime, hazards and disruption of other people's lives that the occupiers are guilty of you all would be screaming for their heads.
These people started as lawbreakers from day one and I have no respect for anyone that has no respect for the law and the rights and property of others.
And here I thought you were all your rights end where my nose begins people...
To be fair the tea party protests were 1/1000 of these. Plus there were quite organized.
Speaking of Obama buddy ,the mad bomber ,Bill Ayers...
He is speaking to the Chi-town Occupiers about non-violent protest (I kid you not)
Controversial Professor Bill Ayers Speaks With Occupy Chicago Protesters | NBC Chicago
Of course ;in a NY Slimes article on 9-11-01 ,he stated he hadn't done enough bombing .
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I've TRIED to tell you. But, you don't want to listen. I'll try again... 50 years ago, some people gathered together on a campus and protested. They TOO were called thugs and dirtbags by people from YOUR side of the street. And, what was said about them was probably true in the micro sense. But, in the macro sense, it was a POWERFUL movement that changed the world.
So, while I decry dirt, and rape and all the things that happen when people live together in close quarters, I look BEYOND that, and you don't. You don't even think there IS a beyond, and I believe there's a GREAT beyond.
Now, would it have been better if the world changed because we asked it to?? Sure...
excon
Ex, I cannot look past people that have no respect for the law, my rights and my property. If they want to talk, great, but that ain't talkin' - that's just plain thuggish, offensive, illegal, violent behavior.
And today most of them have become "BIG BROTHER" the very thing they hated and feared the most back then... what a change.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hi Speech,Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Why do THEY have to know? Can't someone else know,' the one demand'. After all, they can use technology to keep in touch with the information society.
Tut
Unless there is some coherent message behind this street theater then it appears to be the logical conclusion to the 'flash mob fad'.
For those who compare this to the Vietnam ,Civil Rights ,or the end of the Brit empire in the Indian subcontinent ,the comparison begins and ends with the protest. I liken OWS more like wolves howling at the moon or dogs chasing trucks . Why they do it ? They don't know ;and they certainly couldn't tell you what they'd do if they caught the truck. Those speaking for them on this board are projecting their own desires .
So I do the same.. Most of the perceived inequalities are the result of government interference ;and that is where their ire should be directed .
These are not stupid people . Here in NY one of them managed to display a series of sophisticated "bat signal" like projections on the Verizon building .
Occupy Wall Street 99% Spotlight Signal #N17 #OWS #OccupyEverything - YouTube!
My guess is that they will do very well in the real world once they tire of this 'flash in the pan' moment .
Hello again, tom:
Frankly, there IS a coherent message... You just don't like it.
excon
I'm starting my own flash movement . I strongly object to my tax dollars being used by the Dem crony socialists to grease the states and municipalites with large slush funds to hire back laid-off public union workers, who then go out and vote Democratic en bloc in the next election, and whose union dues go directly to buy Democratic votes.
Then when the jobs of non-public workers are considered;the President "defers" a decision that delays the hiring of at least 20,000 blue collar workers... because he has this ideological notion that they'd serve the country better constructing solar farms.
In Youngstown Ohio ,all but a ghost town ,there is now a 2nd steel mill factory under construction to build the equipment necessary to perform the fracking of shale to extract natural gas . That's JOBS ,JOBS ,JOBS!! (btw Ohio will likely be the key swing state in 2012 ) .
What! You are not suggesting that politicians abandon their real constituency. Are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Tut
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It's the American way.
But, if somebody JOINS you, I'm probably not going to get a CLEAR CUT MESSAGE about WHY you're protesting.
excon
Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
There is no comparison to those that stood up 50 years ago. I find it almost insulting that people keep bringing it up. The ones today are doing what they are doing because they are spoiled. 50 years ago they did it because people were being shipped off to be killed in a war that wasn't a war. They had a united goal. This generation of hippies 2.0 is being spoon fed into a movement. The media has been proven to be part of the storyline. Just to make them out to be something that they are not. It sickens me that there are professional protestors that are in the ranks and in great numbers who's only job is to spew fourtha spoon fed agenda. When you combine that with how they are destroying the very business plans of mom and pops that are struggling just the same its insane. 50 years ago those that wanted the life of a commune could have it. And they worked the land and had their lifestyle. What OWS wants is to be told how superior they are and to be given everything. Just like it had been all their lives growing up.
"Occupy Wall Street Crowd Blind to Benefits of Capitalism"
Hello dad:Quote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
Don't be insulted... I think they're the same. It's a popular uprising of the people because they're PISSED OFF. You say they were honorable 50 years ago, but lots of 'em just wanted to get laid.. I say the OWS'rs are honorable even IF lots of 'em are spoiled.
Like ALL of the right wing, you look at the PEOPLE instead of what they're PISSED OFF at... Look.. I was THERE 50 years ago.. NOBODY thought we were honorable then, except us... They called us spoiled and dirty and anarchists... And, BOY did they HATE that we wanted to stop the war.
But, I will delay my ultimate judgment until this works out. I say they'll change the world.. It's only because I HOPE they will. Ain't no media telling me to say that. But, if they fizzle, then they did, and all the garbage was a waste of time...
excon
My take on it is that there was a separation between the protests and the movement. The movement was about free love and peace and being able to commune free from mans (unatural) law. That is a clear separation from the protests that took place on campuses and in the streets where there was a common goal and a focus. Many of that era lived by what they preached. Much of their message was delivered by the music that represented the movement. Maybe Im just being wistful in my thinking but back then the cause had reasons for action where today it is directed by a media based environment and pushed through the very corridores they are protesting against. It doesn't make sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, dad:Quote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
I agree - for the SHORT term..
I don't recall that the antiwar movement was cohesive from the start. In fact, it started as a free speech movement and grew into an antiwar movement.. The songs came AFTER the movement had legs..
All I'm saying, is this is 2 months old. It's BRAND NEW. It's too premature to identify it as a bunch of hooligans, or serious people. I'm willing to give it a chance.
excon
Me too. I have been watching or listening to the occupy live channel for awhile and following it from the inside through that media. That is how I have gained my understanding so far. It's a window into their world.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
In case you missed this link I posted before.
http://occupyparty.org/
Hi dad:Quote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
No, I haven't seen it.. I've been listening to Steve telling me they had NO message.. They're much further along than I thought.. I didn't find the rapists page, though, or Bill Ayers?
Did you see their projection last night??? It was REALLY COOL!
excon
I just saw it in your link. What still gets to me is that they are still relying on coporate to do things for them (Max Nova and JR Skola from the art production company Dawn of Man. ) not like in the 60's where it was mostly home grown and a boycott was a boycott.
Hello again, dad:Quote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
That's kind of like blaming Al Gore for flying in his jet. Steve does that regularly. Any movement needs office space, and telephones. They're going to need to pay wages and taxes, and maybe even hire consultants.. In short, they need to LOOK pretty corporate...
But, that doesn't mean they need to suck the public teat like other corporations do..
I don't think flying in his plane or looking corporate detracts from EITHER of the two messages... One can concentrate on the messenger, or the message. I know what I'm doing.
excon
Me too, that's why I am patiently listening. AND WATCHING, I find reactions just as interesting as what they are reacting to.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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