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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You always get mad when you're proven to be wrong like this?

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He's not mad (you haven't ever seen him mad) -- and he's not wrong either. The threat of long-term or future health problems, especially with heart and lungs, are the clouds hanging over the heads of those young people who survive COVID-19.

Yeah. There's always the threat of the unknown. Same thing is true of driving cars. 40,000 dead a year, and countless injuries, and yet there is no call to do away with cars. At any rate, you still have not said what should be done other than what is being done now. The Trump vaccine is the great hope at this point. I don't know of anything else other than vitamin C and other very marginally effective ideas. The Trump vaccine is the only path forward.

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Yeah. There's always the threat of the unknown. Same thing is true of driving cars. 40,000 dead a year, and countless injuries, and yet there is no call to do away with cars.

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Yes, get rid of gasoline-powered cars (and thus preserve our environment and air quality) by the use of electric cars and smart cars.

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At any rate, you still have not said what should be done other than what is being done now.

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Numbers 3 and 4 are not part of the general conversation so far. Even you apparently don't follow those very helpful guidelines.

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The Trump vaccine is the great hope at this point.

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Trump doesn't believe the virus is that big a deal and has nothing to do with any vaccine development except maybe saying, "Yeah, sure. Go ahead. Have fun playing with those chemicals."

Still. No answers. Oh well.

So your scheme to go electric would not solve the highway deaths problem. What would it cost? Prediction: You have no idea.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Still. No answers. Oh well.

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That reading comprehension problem pops up yet again....

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So your scheme to go electric would not solve the highway deaths problem. What would it cost? Prediction: You have no idea.

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Reduce the speed limit. Have periodic driver written and road tests for licensed drivers. If we stop spending millions of dollars on oil drilling e.g., we could put that money into manufacturing low-cost electric cars.

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That reading comprehension problem pops up yet again....

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The weak as water excuse making shows up again. Poor WG. She can't make her case, so it has to be someone else's fault.

So the cost of electric cars is bigger government and less freedom? No thanks.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

That reading comprehension problem pops up yet again....

Reduce the speed limit. Have periodic driver road tests, even for licensed drivers. If we stop spending millions of dollars on oil drilling e.g., we could put that money into manufacturing low-cost electric cars.

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What you forget is electric cars have to be powered by electricity, solar cells don't work at night so the renewables cycle doesn't sync therefore the options are nuclear or fossil fueled and the lithium battery industry is a serious pollutant, given there is enough lithium to produce all those batteries, it is another liberal pipe dream

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What you forget is electric cars have to be powered by electricity, solar cells don't work at night so the renewables cycle doesn't sync therefore the options are nuclear or fossil fueled and the lithium battery industry is a serious pollutant, given there is enough lithium to produce all those batteries, it is another liberal pipe dream

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Absolutely well said.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You always get mad when you're proven to be wrong like this?

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Why should I get mad? You presented ratios not data, factors without the actual numbers. Very interesting but incomplete. If you have those real numbers with age breakdowns I would love to see it.

I would never get mad when I intend to chunk a rock...it ruins my accuracy.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

What you forget is electric cars have to be powered by electricity

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At night my friend plugs her electric car into an outlet in her garage.

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The weak as water excuse making shows up again. Poor WG. She can't make her case, so it has to be someone else's fault.

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Nope. I'm doing what you taught me to do.

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ratios not data,

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You have no idea how ridiculous that statement is, do you? But to make you happy, feast your eyes.

Age Group	Percentage	Count
0 - 4 Years	<0.1	48
5 - 17 Years	0.1	108
18 - 29 Years	0.5	1,063
30 - 39 Years	1.3	2,573
40 - 49 Years	3	6,034
50 - 64 Years	14.8	29,791
65 - 74 Years	20.8	41,795
75 - 84 Years	27	54,159
85+ Years	32.5	65,148

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics

Happy now? Over 85% of deaths were 65 or above. Stay safe, Tal.

Do the math. That's still a lot of young people. SO FAR.

Yeah. 0-30 it's about 6/10 of 1 percent. Now every life is important, but a person would have to be stupid beyond belief to not see that the big, big risk is 65 and above, and the below 50 group has much, much, much, much, much less risk. And that is exactly the point that you decided must surely be wrong.

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Yeah. 0-30 it's about 6/10 of 1 percent. Now every life is important, but a person would have to be stupid beyond belief to not see that the big, big risk is 65 and above, and the below 50 group has much, much, much, much, much less risk. And that is exactly the point that you decided must surely be wrong.

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In ten to twenty years, have a health chat with those who had mild symptoms or worse and then recovered, and were below 50 in 2020.

Yeah. I'll be sure to do that.

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You have no idea how ridiculous that statement is, do you? But to make you happy, feast your eyes.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics

Happy now? Over 85% of deaths were 65 or above. Stay safe, Tal.

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and this proves what? that old people die, how very precious

Be safe JL, you and your family. I know how I would feel if my kids were part of that 3%. One mans statistic is another devastation.

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At night my friend plugs her electric car into an outlet in her garage.


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again you are ignoring the reality of the cost of producing electricity and lithium on the environment

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again you are ignoring the reality of the cost of producing electricity and lithium on the environment

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And the cost of pumping oil and of fracking....

Another friend put solar panels on his roof. His electricity costs went to zero.

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again you are ignoring the reality of the cost of producing electricity and lithium on the environment

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This is paraphrased from Forbes, a right-leaning publication, showing that electric vehicles are far better for the environment than internal combustion vehicles.

The stark difference in emissions between electric vehicles and internal combustion vehicles over the course of their lifetimes is tremendous. With no combustion and complete lack of tailpipe emissions, electric vehicles produce the bulk of their emissions through their manufacturing process and the sourcing of their energy including the use of rare earths, giving them an advantage over petrol and diesel-powered cars.


As electric vehicles become more common and manufacturing becomes more widespread, battery recycling will be more efficient and reduce the need to extract new materials, therefore lessening the reliance on mining and production of new batteries.


The total impact of electric vehicles is more pronounced when looking at their complete lifetime, where combustion engine vehicles are unable to compete. Electric vehicles are responsible for considerably lower emissions over their lifetime than vehicles running on fossil fuels regardless of the source of their electricity.