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The controversy is when is life begun. Some say at conception, some say at birth, but what has always been missing is the funding for kids as they develop from that zygote and enter into the real world. I think that's what you have eluded to and I would agree with that.

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there is no controversy as to when life begins, It is obvious. What is controversial is when life should end and by what means

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Originally Posted by paraclete

there is no controversy as to when life begins, It is obvious. What is controversial is when life should end and by what means

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If I may, the proper question should be when does HUMAN life begin?

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Originally Posted by Athos

If I may, the proper question should be when does HUMAN life begin?

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At birth, when the human breathes for the first time.

Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

At birth, when the human breathes for the first time.

Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

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false logic scripture also says the Lord knitted us together in our mother's womb so it is his definition not ours

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false logic scripture also says the Lord knitted us together in our mother's womb so it is his definition not ours

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Yes, He knitted us together in the womb, but we didn't become human until we drew our first breath.

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Yes, He knitted us together in the womb, but we didn't become human until we drew our first breath.

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There is no evidence to support your claim, a human looks human in or out of the womb, life is viable even prematurely

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life is viable even prematurely

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Only when that life breathes.

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Only when that life breathes.

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What is being argued here is whether someone prematurely prevents birth and breathing, you know this, so when a baby takes a breath is academic at best. Make all the excuses you want, abortion is murder, premeditated murder and the law that says otherwise is an . Any law that seems to preempt or overthrow God's law is an

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Make all the excuses you want, abortion is murder, premeditated murder and the law that says otherwise is an .

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This is a religious argument. You are entitled to it but religious law does not overcome the secular law.

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Any law that seems to preempt or overthrow God's law is an

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Which God are you referring to?

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Originally Posted by Athos

This is a religious argument. You are entitled to it but religious law does not overcome the secular law.



Which God are you referring to?

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There is only one God, Yahweh, Jesus, Holy Spirit.

Everybody says that.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

There is only one God, Yahweh, Jesus, Holy Spirit.

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Is that three gods?

Judaism has one God, Christianity 3 godheads in one, Arabia has Allah who predates Islam, Hinduism many gods similar to saints in Catholicism who are aspects of Brahma, Buddha no gods, Native Americans Manitou or the Great Spirit. All peoples and cultures develop their own god/gods. Then there are the religions that have been relegated to mythology - Zeus, Odin, and many more over the eons.

Like you, each thinks their God is the only God.

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Originally Posted by Athos

Is that three gods?

Judaism has one God, Christianity 3 godheads in one, Arabia has Allah who predates Islam, Hinduism many gods similar to saints in Catholicism who are aspects of Brahma, Buddha no gods, Native Americans Manitou or the Great Spirit. All peoples and cultures develop their own god/gods. Then there are the religions that have been relegated to mythology - Zeus, Odin, and many more over the eons.

Like you, each thinks their God is the only God.

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The idea that God is one is as old as time but I believe Jesus when he says he and the father are one

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The idea that God is one is as old as time but I believe Jesus when he says he and the father are one

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The core of Christianity is a beautiful religion. Some bumps in the road over the centuries but nobody's perfect (humans).

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The core of Christianity is a beautiful religion. Some bumps in the road over the centuries but nobody's perfect (humans).

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You see what has been lost is that Christianity isn't a religion it is a relationship

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You see what has been lost is that Christianity isn't a religion it is a relationship

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Well ok. Couldn't it be both?

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Well ok. Couldn't it be both?

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Religion is ritual, it is not the same, as I said there was something lost in the transition, perhaps caused by persecution by the religiously minded. During the foundation, the disciples spent years in relationship with Jesus, religion was different, they had a temple for that