Let me try this again. You equate the decorations on a cake to what's on a Muslims menu?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

No, the services smoothy refers to would not be part of their offerings to begin with.
If someone came to cake shop and asked for moose meat, is the shop discriminating if it doesn't fulfill the order?

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I don't normally offer a cake topper with 2 grooms, so what's the difference? Nothing. The only difference is when the tables are turned your tone changes.

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I don't normally offer a cake topper with 2 grooms

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Then that's a valid answer to the customer. You make the cake but they have to source the topper elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Let me try this again. You equate the decorations on a cake to what's on a Muslims menu?

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Uh, yes. Haram is sinful to Muslims, gay marriage is sinful to some Christians and that "decoration" is forcing them to represent something they consider against their beliefs. Which by the way, in Islam marriage is between men and women, and Muslim women are generally forbidden from marrying a non-Muslim. What if the baker is a Muslim, does he get a pass for refusing to participate in a forbidden marriage?

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Then that's a valid answer to the customer. You make the cake but they have to source the topper elsewhere.

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Sounds like a reasonable compromise to me.

Boy that was easy.

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Boy that was easy.

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It should be that easy - but you never answered the question. What if the baker is a Muslim, does he get a pass for refusing to participate in a forbidden marriage?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

gay marriage is sinful to some Christians

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SOME Christians? Why not all of them?

If you can force a devout Christian to cater a GAY wedding against their religious beliefs... then Atheists and Muslims can be told to go pound sand when they get their panties in a knot about Christmas decorations and anything Christmas in schools and anywhere else.

And a Muslim catering business can be legally FORCED to cater CHristmas and Easter parties.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

And a Muslim catering business can be legally FORCED to cater CHristmas and Easter parties.

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Why would a Christian go to a Muslim catering business? Of course, the Muslim IS in business to make money, and maybe I want an authentic Holy Land cuisine for my Christmas and Easter celebrations. ;)

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

SOME Christians? Why not all of them?

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Some are more reasonable than others.

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It should be that easy - but you never answered the question. What if the baker is a Muslim, does he get a pass for refusing to participate in a forbidden marriage?

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Big difference between baking a cake for a customer, and participating in a wedding. But of course you get the two mixed up. I give him a pass on participation, but not refusing to bake a cake. Pick up or delivery?

What ones does with his product is none of his business.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

If you can force a devout Christian to cater a GAY wedding against their religious beliefs... then Atheists and Muslims can be told to go pound sand when they get their panties in a knot about Christmas decorations and anything Christmas in schools and anywhere else.

And a Muslim catering business can be legally FORCED to cater CHristmas and Easter parties.

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Good luck finding one open.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

SOME Christians? Why not all of them?

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You certainly don't believe as I do, now do you?

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Some are more reasonable than others

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That's irrelevant and insulting as I'm guessing you mean it. You want your beliefs respected, so do we, it is not a one-way street.

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Big difference between baking a cake for a customer, and participating in a wedding. But of course you get the two mixed up. I give him a pass on participation, but not refusing to bake a cake. Pick up or delivery?

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Now you're making my argument, during which I don't recall you giving me a pass for declining to "participate" in something I don't believe in. Make it something else, the wedding photographer for instance. Should a Muslim get a pass for declining to shoot a gay or other forbidden wedding, or would you be sympathetic to the Muslim?

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What ones does with his product is none of his business.

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Somehow I think you have exceptions to that rule.

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You certainly don't believe as I do, now do you?

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But we're both Christians? Or me, not so much?

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But we're both Christians? Or me, not so much?

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Should be easily surmised that the implication in my question was as Christians, you and I don't believe exactly alike. Nothing more implied, that's just how it is and that's ok.

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that's just how it is and that's ok.

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That's the sweetest thing you've ever said to me! I feel like baking you a cake (or caramel brownies)!

I myself like Persian Style kabobs, Second only to Afghan style kabobs (hate Lebonese style) But if the owner decided he would not cater to Jewish customers or Christian ones (you know the Infidels)... why do I believe the current administration would be defending their right to do so?

Giving gay people a federal tax return doesn't mean he is going to screw with their menus. That's the nog head state legislatures screwing with the rights.

Still wondering if you think the Muslim photographer should have to shoot the gay wedding. With his camera, not an assault rifle.

Contrary to popular belief, there are gay Muslims. What you didn't know?