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I have been in China, travelled the country so I know first hand. What I didn't see is the oppression you think is taking place everywhere. Tibet might be a different case. China is an emerging giant and therefore cannot be ignored. Strong trading relationships are important and we will forge them with India too. What is it they say, keep your friends close and your enemies closer
One of our own members, Fr.Chuck, moved to China. He loves it.
Yes I've spoken with ChuckQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Talk about burying ones head in the sand...Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I'll bet the People of Tibet have something to say... and Taiwan.
Look I have no objection to the people of Tibet and Taiwan deciding for themselves whatever China might say but you have to remember history and part of it is the defense the west made in these cases. The west did not defend Tibet and it is now part of China. The west has defended Taiwan to some extent and it remains outside of China. Any conflict over there could involve big changes in the political landscape and I could see China trading off NK for Taiwan. China has no traditional claims to NK but they do to Taiwan
Ask the UyghursQuote:
I have been in China, travelled the country so I know first hand. What I didn't see is the oppression you think is taking place everywhere.
Organs Seized From Uyghurs
Ask the Christians
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_YU...=sharing&pli=1
Ask the workers in Foxconn
Riots, suicides and more in Foxconn factories - CBS News
Ask the people who's property has been seized .
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/24/wo...hina.html?_r=0
Ask the women who have been forced to have abortions
Chinese woman forced to have abortion after second pregnancy - NY Daily News
Ask Ai Weiwei ,the artist who designed the Bird's Nest stadium for the Olympics and then was beaten, prosecuted and held in secret detention for his efforts to expose China's oppression of its people.
I could go on ;but you get the idea . I'm sure your visits to China are quite santized .
Not at all I travelled freely without minders of any kind, was searched at the border and allowed to proceed, was questioned by police and allowed to proceed, may very well have had a watcher on more than one occasion for a short time but nothing was sanitized or directed. I saw few police and even fewer military in a journey of 3,000 kilometres. There is more I could say, but I will say the chinese were very helpful and courteousQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The point is; things happen in many parts of the world and may very well happen there but you cannot take the reported incidents we see reported and extrapolate that into a nation under siege. I'm sure even the US is a peaceful place despite the thousands killed every year with guns
Clete,
I'm more likely to believe someone who's been there than someone just surfing for links.
Never mind the reality people AREN'T free to travel ANYWHERE they want in China any more than they are in Vietnam... you still aren't in Russia. YOu WILL be followed.. and you WILL be watched... and if you DO go certain places you WILL be stopped.
But then... its always the left that defends them...
The right wing vacuum chamber doesn't allow for different ideas or complete facts. The good news is they are a shrinking minority in an ever growing progressive country.
Yeah... right... as shown by the TOTAL lack of coverage for Obamas blunders... or ANY real criticism of anything he has ever done by the left wing run Pravda... that doesn't have the balls to just say they are the DNC propagandists... because they don't have the courage to admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The country hasn't gotten more progressive... the Progressives have become more narcicisstic and arrogant... and their control of the media to spread lies and misinformation make the old Pravda jealous.
Nice propaganda, from inside the vacuum.
Well March has come and gone and what are we left with. NK seems to be the continuing theme but all else is resolved
The sequester grinds on
Governments have not fallen
The stock market has not fallen
The catholics are pondering the actions of their new leader
The rhetoric flows in so many ways
The sequester grinds on... and the Obots learned that you can threaten to furlough meat inspectors ;but if they did ,they would be negligent... So the Prez and Veep scheduled more vacation time ;and Zero announced today he'd take a 5% hair cut.
The NORKS have ramped it up beyond the normal Kim blowing out their a$$ rhetoric
There is no place to put investment money except the stock market bubble .
Pope Francis is interesting . Don't think he will tinker with doctrine .
Cannibals NY have gone back to being just plain corrupt crooks . First we learn that we have been voted the least free state in the union ;then we learn that NYC Tamney Hall Dems want to make NYC the most politically corrupt city . To wrest that from Chi-town... now that would be an achievement .
N.Y. politicians arrested in alleged mayoral race bribe scheme | Reuters
Yes interesting that BO is showing his solidarity with those affected by the sequester, I would be more impressed if he took an unpaid furlough, a month would be appropriate.
If I were over there Tom I think I would be putting my investment money in a kerosene tin in the back yard but everything is not that bad, I managed to sell some shares at a profit during March and bought myself a new car so having done my bit for the economy I continue to contemplate what to do with those other holdings in loss
Everyone here isn't suffering Clete, some are doing very well.
Yes Tal I'm sure the other 47% are, as always
Only the Democrats that are the recipients of Owebamas reckless spending are doing well... the rest of us who are actually paying those bills are doing worse.
Are you finding out how the other half lives smoothy? I doubt it. Life has been tough we have all had to change what we do in the last few years so don't expect me to have sympathy for fat cats
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